paizo.com Recent Posts in [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?paizo.com Recent Posts in [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?2015-09-29T16:36:21Z2015-09-29T16:36:21ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?GreySector (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#902014-05-19T20:26:28Z2014-05-19T20:26:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">John Compton wrote:</div><blockquote>2) Please do bring weird anomalies in magic items to my attention. Some are fairly innocuous, such as a <i>potion of restoration</i> that I recall appears somewhere; it's easily as expensive as the spellcasting service and provides minimal if any advantage—not necessarily worth changing a Chronicle sheet that's been out for years. Some might be strange enough that they require immediate attention, such as a hypothetical <i>potion of wish</i>, <i>+1 vorpal full plate</i>, or even a <i>+2 longsword</i> that accidentally lost a digit so that it's selling for 831 gp. I'll aim to call out any such exceptional items or combinations on Chronicle sheets in the future to note that "yes, you're reading this correctly."</blockquote><p>Does this mean that <i>potions of see invisibility</i> and other personal spells which appear on chronicle sheets are legal to purchase?John Compton wrote:2) Please do bring weird anomalies in magic items to my attention. Some are fairly innocuous, such as a potion of restoration that I recall appears somewhere; it's easily as expensive as the spellcasting service and provides minimal if any advantage—not necessarily worth changing a Chronicle sheet that's been out for years. Some might be strange enough that they require immediate attention, such as a hypothetical potion of wish, +1 vorpal full plate, or even a +2 longsword...GreySector (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8)2014-05-19T20:26:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?kinevonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#892014-01-30T07:55:10Z2014-01-30T07:55:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James T Boyd wrote:</div><blockquote> Do we run the risk of this item being a must have for ranged characters? Once it becomes public knowedge this item is available and on which chronicle (because it will), will players run this module just to get this item? Maybe. Maybe making it not upgradeabke wil make it less attractive at higher level play. </blockquote><p>James, given that it is on a non-Tier 1 chronicle, that means that, at most, a player can get three chronicles with this item on it.
<p>Once for playing.
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Once for GMing.
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One final time, either GMing or playing, using a GM star replay.</p>
<p>And, overall, if someone wants to spend 20% (or more) of their usable once per lifetime star replays to get this bow for a third PC, more power to them.</p>
<p>My high level PC wouldn't want to trade in his +1 Seeking Longbow for a +1 Keen Longbow. Partly because he already has the Improved Critical feat for all longbows...</p>James T Boyd wrote:Do we run the risk of this item being a must have for ranged characters? Once it becomes public knowedge this item is available and on which chronicle (because it will), will players run this module just to get this item? Maybe. Maybe making it not upgradeabke wil make it less attractive at higher level play.
James, given that it is on a non-Tier 1 chronicle, that means that, at most, a player can get three chronicles with this item on it. Once for playing.
Once for GMing....kinevon2014-01-30T07:55:10ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Diego Rossihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#882014-01-28T07:11:49Z2014-01-28T07:11:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Halcyon Reaper wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alika Esristi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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I don't think there's any great need to discourage taking this thing - it just isn't all that good. You're better off with another +1, or saving up for <i>holy</i>. </blockquote>I agree, and besides, the information that this has been out has been around for a while. Just look at the original post's date. </blockquote><p>48 days. Not much.Halcyon Reaper wrote:Alika Esristi wrote:
I don't think there's any great need to discourage taking this thing - it just isn't all that good. You're better off with another +1, or saving up for holy.
I agree, and besides, the information that this has been out has been around for a while. Just look at the original post's date. 48 days. Not much.Diego Rossi2014-01-28T07:11:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Halcyon Reaper (alias of Nathan Hartshorn)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#872014-01-28T04:20:35Z2014-01-28T04:20:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alika Esristi wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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I don't think there's any great need to discourage taking this thing - it just isn't all that good. You're better off with another +1, or saving up for <i>holy</i>. </blockquote><p>I agree, and besides, the information that this has been out has been around for a while. Just look at the original post's date.Alika Esristi wrote:I don't think there's any great need to discourage taking this thing - it just isn't all that good. You're better off with another +1, or saving up for holy.
I agree, and besides, the information that this has been out has been around for a while. Just look at the original post's date.Halcyon Reaper (alias of Nathan Hartshorn)2014-01-28T04:20:35ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Alika Esristi (alias of Dave Setty)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#862014-01-28T03:00:30Z2014-01-28T03:00:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James T Boyd wrote:</div><blockquote> Do we run the risk of this item being a must have for ranged characters? Once it becomes public knowedge this item is available and on which chronicle (because it will), will players run this module just to get this item? Maybe. Maybe making it not upgradeabke wil make it less attractive at higher level play. </blockquote><p>I don't think there's any great need to discourage taking this thing - it just isn't all that good. You're better off with another +1, or saving up for <i>holy</i>.James T Boyd wrote:Do we run the risk of this item being a must have for ranged characters? Once it becomes public knowedge this item is available and on which chronicle (because it will), will players run this module just to get this item? Maybe. Maybe making it not upgradeabke wil make it less attractive at higher level play.
I don't think there's any great need to discourage taking this thing - it just isn't all that good. You're better off with another +1, or saving up for holy.Alika Esristi (alias of Dave Setty)2014-01-28T03:00:30ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Diego Rossihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#852014-01-28T01:01:52Z2014-01-28T01:01:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scott Young wrote:</div><blockquote><p> There's also a potion of <i>stoneskin</i> out there... this was why I was originally proposing a general rule rather than case-by-case. But thanks to John for clearing this one up!
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</blockquote><p>A summoner did it (third level spell for them).Scott Young wrote:There's also a potion of stoneskin out there... this was why I was originally proposing a general rule rather than case-by-case. But thanks to John for clearing this one up!
A summoner did it (third level spell for them).Diego Rossi2014-01-28T01:01:52ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?James T Boydhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#842014-01-27T23:33:54Z2014-01-27T23:33:54Z<p>Do we run the risk of this item being a must have for ranged characters? Once it becomes public knowedge this item is available and on which chronicle (because it will), will players run this module just to get this item? Maybe. Maybe making it not upgradeabke wil make it less attractive at higher level play.</p>Do we run the risk of this item being a must have for ranged characters? Once it becomes public knowedge this item is available and on which chronicle (because it will), will players run this module just to get this item? Maybe. Maybe making it not upgradeabke wil make it less attractive at higher level play.James T Boyd2014-01-27T23:33:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?TriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#832014-01-27T20:34:01Z2014-01-27T20:34:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Majuba wrote:</div><blockquote>For instance, Keen does not have the footnote that "Bows, crossbows, and slings crafted with this ability bestow this power upon their ammunition." So great, you have a keen bow. No help to the arrows... </blockquote><p>Neither does Bane. Are we to assume arrows shot from a Bane bow only gain the extra +2 enhancement bonus and not the 2d6 damage? Since it's the bow that deals an extra 2d6, not the arrows? (Although I love the idea of my elvencraft longbow back in 3.5 getting an extra 2d6 against certain targets when I hit them over the head.)Majuba wrote:For instance, Keen does not have the footnote that "Bows, crossbows, and slings crafted with this ability bestow this power upon their ammunition." So great, you have a keen bow. No help to the arrows...
Neither does Bane. Are we to assume arrows shot from a Bane bow only gain the extra +2 enhancement bonus and not the 2d6 damage? Since it's the bow that deals an extra 2d6, not the arrows? (Although I love the idea of my elvencraft longbow back in 3.5 getting an extra 2d6...TriOmegaZero2014-01-27T20:34:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Crongehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#822014-01-27T20:23:37Z2014-01-27T20:23:37Z<p>Haha! Coincidentally, I am currently playing the game that will afford this awesome chronicle and it will be applied to a budding Cleric/Fighter archer of Kurgess... Love it!</p>Haha! Coincidentally, I am currently playing the game that will afford this awesome chronicle and it will be applied to a budding Cleric/Fighter archer of Kurgess... Love it!Cronge2014-01-27T20:23:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Majubahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#812013-12-19T21:41:11Z2013-12-19T21:41:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brian Lefebvre wrote:</div><blockquote>The big issues here is that the Pathfinder development team intentionally removed the ability to add Keen to a ranged weapon when it changed over from 3.5. </blockquote><p>FYI - Keen was not valid in 3.5 on ranged weapons either.
<p>#1 reason why, when intentional, 'unique items' like this need explanatory text is that without it we don't know. We don't know if it's a mistake. We don't know if it's intentional. We don't even know how it's supposed to work necessarily.</p>
<p>For instance, Keen does not have the footnote that "Bows, crossbows, and slings crafted with this ability bestow this power upon their ammunition." So great, you have a keen bow. No help to the arrows...</p>Brian Lefebvre wrote:The big issues here is that the Pathfinder development team intentionally removed the ability to add Keen to a ranged weapon when it changed over from 3.5.
FYI - Keen was not valid in 3.5 on ranged weapons either. #1 reason why, when intentional, 'unique items' like this need explanatory text is that without it we don't know. We don't know if it's a mistake. We don't know if it's intentional. We don't even know how it's supposed to work necessarily.
For instance, Keen...Majuba2013-12-19T21:41:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Brian Lefebvre (alias of Drizzt1080, RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#802013-12-19T21:33:56Z2013-12-19T21:33:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jonathan Cary wrote:</div><blockquote>It doesn't matter if there's overlap between the two groups. One of the big complaints on these boards for a good while have been about there not being unique and interesting items on Chronicle sheets. Something unique shows up, and now it's got to be a mistake and requires clarification. I see irony in that. </blockquote><p>Historically I believe the campaign rules was to bar the purchase of illegal items - such as potions of shield even if it was on the chronicle sheet. Because it usually resulted from an oversight on part of the writer or editor.
<p>The big issues here is that the Pathfinder development team intentionally removed the ability to add Keen to a ranged weapon when it changed over from 3.5.</p>
<p>Unique items that are unpublished items appear on a chronicle sheet usually have a full item stat block detailing what the item does along with the price. Since the keen bow falls outside of current game rules, and does not have a full stat sheet it is a bit of a gray area.</p>Jonathan Cary wrote:It doesn't matter if there's overlap between the two groups. One of the big complaints on these boards for a good while have been about there not being unique and interesting items on Chronicle sheets. Something unique shows up, and now it's got to be a mistake and requires clarification. I see irony in that.
Historically I believe the campaign rules was to bar the purchase of illegal items - such as potions of shield even if it was on the chronicle sheet. Because it...Brian Lefebvre (alias of Drizzt1080, RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32)2013-12-19T21:33:56ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#792013-12-19T18:08:12Z2013-12-19T18:08:12Z<p>That, too.</p>That, too.Nefreet2013-12-19T18:08:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?CRobledohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#782013-12-19T17:50:57Z2013-12-19T17:50:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nefreet wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The problem with <i>Bob's Penetrating Longbow </i>is that, being a specific magic item, it cannot be upgraded.</p>
<p>A <i>+1 keen longbow</i> can be. </blockquote><p>You mean <i>+1 keen composite longbow </i> ;)Nefreet wrote:The problem with Bob's Penetrating Longbow is that, being a specific magic item, it cannot be upgraded.
A +1 keen longbow can be.
You mean +1 keen composite longbow ;)CRobledo2013-12-19T17:50:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#772013-12-19T17:38:42Z2013-12-19T17:38:42Z<p>The problem with <i>Bob's Penetrating Longbow </i>is that, being a specific magic item, it cannot be upgraded.</p>
<p>A <i>+1 keen longbow</i> can be.</p>The problem with Bob's Penetrating Longbow is that, being a specific magic item, it cannot be upgraded.
A +1 keen longbow can be.Nefreet2013-12-19T17:38:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Genuinehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#762013-12-19T17:32:28Z2013-12-19T17:32:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jonathan Cary wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I guess I'm just too simple-minded, but when I see something like that on a Chronicle after Season 0, my assumption is that it's intentional rather than an error. Maybe I place too much faith in John and the previous developers for the campaign.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">majumba wrote:</div><blockquote>Overlap between A & B? Small. Approximately 10% fit both based on posts from a sample of the first ten posters in this thread (excluding venture officers) that include the word 'Chronicle' and either 'interesting' or 'unique'.</blockquote>It doesn't matter if there's overlap between the two groups. One of the big complaints on these boards for a good while have been about there not being unique and interesting items on Chronicle sheets. Something unique shows up, and now it's got to be a mistake and requires clarification. I see irony in that. </blockquote><p>I think the unique that many (including myself) want are more along the lines of specific magic weapons and armor. Stuff like Shatterspike, or Dragonslayer's shield.
<p>The problem here is that there isn't anything indicating that it really is unique other than the fact that it uses an illegal enhancement. If it was listed as something like 'Bob's Penetrating Longbow,' and then included stats stating that it is a +1 Longbow (+2 Str) with a crit range of 19-20/x3 then there wouldn't be any problems.</p>Jonathan Cary wrote:I guess I'm just too simple-minded, but when I see something like that on a Chronicle after Season 0, my assumption is that it's intentional rather than an error. Maybe I place too much faith in John and the previous developers for the campaign.
majumba wrote:Overlap between A & B? Small. Approximately 10% fit both based on posts from a sample of the first ten posters in this thread (excluding venture officers) that include the word 'Chronicle' and either 'interesting' or...Genuine2013-12-19T17:32:28ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Thorkullhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#752013-12-19T17:34:33Z2013-12-19T16:31:20Z<p>I guess I'm just too simple-minded, but when I see something like that on a Chronicle after Season 0, my assumption is that it's intentional rather than an error. Maybe I place too much faith in John and the previous developers for the campaign.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">majumba wrote:</div><blockquote>Overlap between A & B? Small. Approximately 10% fit both based on posts from a sample of the first ten posters in this thread (excluding venture officers) that include the word 'Chronicle' and either 'interesting' or 'unique'.</blockquote><p>It doesn't matter if there's overlap between the two groups. One of the big complaints on these boards for a good while have been about there not being unique and interesting items on Chronicle sheets. Something unique shows up, and now it's got to be a mistake and requires clarification. I see irony in that.I guess I'm just too simple-minded, but when I see something like that on a Chronicle after Season 0, my assumption is that it's intentional rather than an error. Maybe I place too much faith in John and the previous developers for the campaign.
majumba wrote:Overlap between A & B? Small. Approximately 10% fit both based on posts from a sample of the first ten posters in this thread (excluding venture officers) that include the word 'Chronicle' and either 'interesting' or 'unique'.
It...Thorkull2013-12-19T16:31:20ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#742013-12-19T14:25:05Z2013-12-19T14:25:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mike Lindner wrote:</div><blockquote>As I understand it, the bow in question is a +1 keen longbow, correct? If that is the case then adaptive is not an option, as adaptive says "This ability can only be placed on <b>composite</b> bows." </blockquote><p>That was my bad earlier up thread, recalling incorrectly that it was just a regular longbow. It is indeed composite.Mike Lindner wrote:As I understand it, the bow in question is a +1 keen longbow, correct? If that is the case then adaptive is not an option, as adaptive says "This ability can only be placed on composite bows."
That was my bad earlier up thread, recalling incorrectly that it was just a regular longbow. It is indeed composite.Nefreet2013-12-19T14:25:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?GM Lamplighter (alias of Scott Young, Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#732013-12-16T21:13:30Z2013-12-16T21:01:24Z<p>Again, I'm not complaining about unique items on Chronicles, and I wish people would stop saying that. A note on the Chronicle saying, "This item is a unique item allowed by this Chronicle" would have made things crystal clear. As it was, it looked like a mistake. (In fact, probably was a mistake in the module, but we're keeping it anyway, which is great.)</p>Again, I'm not complaining about unique items on Chronicles, and I wish people would stop saying that. A note on the Chronicle saying, "This item is a unique item allowed by this Chronicle" would have made things crystal clear. As it was, it looked like a mistake. (In fact, probably was a mistake in the module, but we're keeping it anyway, which is great.)GM Lamplighter (alias of Scott Young, Contributor)2013-12-16T21:01:24ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?s_gmusichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#722013-12-16T20:44:01Z2013-12-16T20:44:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mike Lindner wrote:</div><blockquote>As I understand it, the bow in question is a +1 keen longbow, correct? If that is the case then adaptive is not an option, as adaptive says "This ability can only be placed on <b>composite</b> bows." </blockquote><p>There is a +1 Keen Composite (STR +2) Longbow available on one single chronicle, so you can add Adaptive to it. I've been considering buying it for my Zen Archer, and now that I know it's legal and (hopefully) won't be changed soon, I'll look into buying it.Mike Lindner wrote:As I understand it, the bow in question is a +1 keen longbow, correct? If that is the case then adaptive is not an option, as adaptive says "This ability can only be placed on composite bows."
There is a +1 Keen Composite (STR +2) Longbow available on one single chronicle, so you can add Adaptive to it. I've been considering buying it for my Zen Archer, and now that I know it's legal and (hopefully) won't be changed soon, I'll look into buying it.s_gmusic2013-12-16T20:44:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Mike Lindnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#712013-12-16T20:20:53Z2013-12-16T20:20:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">kinevon wrote:</div><blockquote>And, to be honest, for most non-primary longbow users, Adaptive is much the better enhancement to get. If you aren't running your non-Str-based archer, the odds are fairly high that Str is what you are most likely to be adding those level and item enhancements to. Also great for a Barbarian, since the longbow is perfectly suited for you whether you are Raging or not.</blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Majuba wrote:</div><blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">kinevon wrote:</div><blockquote>And, to be honest, for most non-primary longbow users, Adaptive is much the better enhancement to get.</blockquote>Not the best example, since Adaptive is +1000gp, not an enhancement equivalent bonus, which means it <i>very easily</i> is added to this particular bow. </blockquote><p>As I understand it, the bow in question is a +1 keen longbow, correct? If that is the case then adaptive is not an option, as adaptive says "This ability can only be placed on <b>composite</b> bows."kinevon wrote:And, to be honest, for most non-primary longbow users, Adaptive is much the better enhancement to get. If you aren't running your non-Str-based archer, the odds are fairly high that Str is what you are most likely to be adding those level and item enhancements to. Also great for a Barbarian, since the longbow is perfectly suited for you whether you are Raging or not.
Majuba wrote:kinevon wrote:And, to be honest, for most non-primary longbow users, Adaptive is much the better...Mike Lindner2013-12-16T20:20:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Chris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#702013-12-16T20:58:38Z2013-12-16T17:43:18Z<p>Jon,</p>
<p>For my part, I'dlike to see unique things on the Chronicles, like a liquor that lets my character see invisible foes when I quaff it. That's one of the benefits of being a Pathfinder: finding weird stuff. It helps distinguish my character from similarly-built colleagues who have had different adventures.</p>
<p>But I'd want to make sure that the Chronicle lists it as an elixir, rather than a potion, and that the text makes clear that the item is not avialable to my colleagues who get enough Fame to buy any 600-gold item on the market.</p>Jon,
For my part, I'dlike to see unique things on the Chronicles, like a liquor that lets my character see invisible foes when I quaff it. That's one of the benefits of being a Pathfinder: finding weird stuff. It helps distinguish my character from similarly-built colleagues who have had different adventures.
But I'd want to make sure that the Chronicle lists it as an elixir, rather than a potion, and that the text makes clear that the item is not avialable to my colleagues who get enough...Chris Mortika (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2013-12-16T17:43:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Majubahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#692013-12-16T17:37:05Z2013-12-16T17:37:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jonathan Cary wrote:</div><blockquote> I didn't say •you• complained about a lack of unique items, but rather that there were people that did. It goes back to not being able to please everyone. </blockquote><p>Group A: People complaining there are not enough unique or interesting items on PFS Chronicle sheets.
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Group B: People complaining about an unlabeled illegal item on a PFS Chronicle sheet.</p>
<p>Overlap between A & B? Small. Approximately 10% fit both based on posts from a sample of the first ten posters in this thread (excluding venture officers) that include the word 'Chronicle' and either 'interesting' or 'unique'.</p>Jonathan Cary wrote:I didn't say *you* complained about a lack of unique items, but rather that there were people that did. It goes back to not being able to please everyone.
Group A: People complaining there are not enough unique or interesting items on PFS Chronicle sheets.
Group B: People complaining about an unlabeled illegal item on a PFS Chronicle sheet.Overlap between A & B? Small. Approximately 10% fit both based on posts from a sample of the first ten posters in this thread...Majuba2013-12-16T17:37:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Thorkullhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#682013-12-16T16:31:18Z2013-12-16T16:31:18Z<p>I didn't say •you• complained about a lack of unique items, but rather that there were people that did. It goes back to not being able to please everyone.</p>I didn't say *you* complained about a lack of unique items, but rather that there were people that did. It goes back to not being able to please everyone.Thorkull2013-12-16T16:31:18ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Majubahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#672013-12-16T16:26:07Z2013-12-16T16:26:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jonathan Cary wrote:</div><blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Majuba wrote:</div><blockquote>Good points as to the difficulties for both. Perhaps the best solution would be to do both? Declare approval of the chronicle sheets already received, and fix the chronicle sheets going forward (by either removing the bow, or clearly declaring it to be an exception).</blockquote>That makes more work for John without really solving anything — you still have people running around with the keen bows and GMs being confused by it (despite it clearly being on a Chronicle). </blockquote><p>It reduces further damage on both fronts. Doing nothing leaves much to be desired.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jonathan Cary wrote:</div><blockquote>I find it ironic that people complain and whine about there not being interesting and unique things on Chronicles, but when one shows up then there's an uproar about how it's not a legal option and it's confusing. I just see this whole discussion as discouraging John from including anything that's not straight out of the books on Chronicles in the future. It's certainly <i>easier</i> for them to stick with stock items when they do treasure. </blockquote><p>I neither complain about lack of unique items on Chronicles, nor do I believe John will be discouraged <i>by a mistake</i>. Clear exceptions are welcome, confusion-causing errors are not.Jonathan Cary wrote:Majuba wrote:Good points as to the difficulties for both. Perhaps the best solution would be to do both? Declare approval of the chronicle sheets already received, and fix the chronicle sheets going forward (by either removing the bow, or clearly declaring it to be an exception).
That makes more work for John without really solving anything -- you still have people running around with the keen bows and GMs being confused by it (despite it clearly being on a Chronicle). It...Majuba2013-12-16T16:26:07ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Proposal] "Unique" Items on Chronicles - Unique, or just Wrong?Small Ears No Die (alias of Name Violation)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qg1y&page=2?Proposal-Unique-Items-on-Chronicles-Unique#662013-12-16T16:28:32Z2013-12-16T16:17:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Baku Shadescar wrote:</div><blockquote><p> You're going to have to pry this <i>+1 horse bane dogslicer</i> from my cold, dead hands!</p>
<p>•skampers off into the shadows• </blockquote><p>I used that as my main weapon until 11th level.Baku Shadescar wrote:You're going to have to pry this +1 horse bane dogslicer from my cold, dead hands!
*skampers off into the shadows*
I used that as my main weapon until 11th level.Small Ears No Die (alias of Name Violation)2013-12-16T16:17:33Z