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Cry "Havoc!," and let slip the fandogs of war.
Kidding aside, once you get over the fact that this isn't meant to be a completely faithful recreation of the comics, it looks alright. Jaimie Foxx's Electro and what they show him doing look pretty awesome and, considering Rhino 2 was basically a mecha suit, I'm okay with the Rhino in the movie.
I just wish they weren't going with another battlesuit Goblin. I get that the hood and tunic look might be hard to pull off in a film, but something like this would be better than another exoskeleton.
It looks like it will be good, hopefully it will be. I am glad they setting it up for the sinister six.
Cry "Havoc!," and let slip the fandogs of war.
Kidding aside, once you get over the fact that this isn't meant to be a completely faithful recreation of the comics, it looks alright. Jaimie Foxx's Electro and what they show him doing look pretty awesome and, considering Rhino 2 was basically a mecha suit, I'm okay with the Rhino in the movie.
Agree 100%. I love the idea of a mecha-Rhino (didn't actually know it was from the comics) and Electro looks ridonkulously powerful - he often gets short-changed in the comics b/c writers don't seem to want to make him as powerful as he really should be.
I just wish they weren't going with another battlesuit Goblin. I get that the hood and tunic look might be hard to pull off in a film, but something like this would be better than another exoskeleton.
Ugh. If its a choice between 'nipple clamp' goblin and a battlesuit goblin - I'll take the suit thanks. That 'dark' goblin does nothing for me.
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Those are a little high to be nipple clamps, but I understand what you're getting at. I was referring more to using a sleeker design and mutated features. The Green Goblin never needed an exoskeleton. Like Spidey, he's much stronger and more durable than he looks. Even something closer to the Humberto Ramos design would be better than robo-ribs and treasure troll hair. They could have ditched the cap and gloves if it looked too corny on camera, but that design was pretty good. Maybe they're saving a more monstrous goblin for a future movie though. It looks like Harry is going to be wearing the goblin gear before his dad this time around.
Yeah, the mecha-suit Rhino was the short-lived replacement for Aleksei. If you ever have a chance to read it, the Rhino storyline through Amazing Spider-Man 617 and 625 is really good.
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I didn't get excited about it :( Unfortunately most of that lack of excitement stems from my views of the first film - I really didn't find Peter Parker to be a likeable character - he was a bit of a dick. Also I didn't hear the "With great power..." line.
In terms of this trailer - there seems too many villains so none of them get much screen time in the trailer. Also Harry Osborn looks too pantomime villain to me, almost like emo-Peter in Spider-Man 3.
Yeah making Harry a villain (this early anyway) is the only real problem I have.
Peter doesn't seem as dorky in this one. :/
@digitalmage: They rephrased the "With great power..." line in the last movie. If I remember correctly the new Uncle Ben line was somehting like "Those with the power to do good have a responsability to do good," something like that. Personally I like the with great power line better.
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I loved the first one, I didn't think Pete was really all that dickish, so I'm wicked excited for the new one.
I'm not worried about the number of villains either. Villain bloat does tend to accompany series decay, but I think it's more of a symptom than a cause. Think about the first two X-Men movies, which were good, and had 4 and 5 villains respectively (plus an entire team of heroes to deal with). Or Hellboy, which had 4 villains (I realize not everyone was a fan of that one, but usually the complaints deal with the changes they made from the comics, not the number of villains). Hell, Batman Begins arguably had 3, with Scarecrow, Ras, and the Mobster.
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It's funny to me that nobody across the internet seems to be saying the same thing about Captain America: The Winter Soldier. ASM2 is going to have Electro, Rhino, a Green Goblin and Oscorp itself as an evil organization. CA:TWS is going to introduce Winter Soldier, Batroc the Leaper and Crossbones as well as the possibility of SHIELD being shown as corrupt and full of bad people. I wonder if the "too many villains" concern is really just stemming from a difference of opinion on the quality of the films.
Spider-Man 3 takes a lot of guff for having three villains, but it's also not a great movie. Both Amazing Spider-Man and Captain America only feature one villain, but Captain America seems to be regarded as a much better movie. It could just come down to marketing and name recognition though too. Hardly a peep has been made of Batroc and Crossbones and, as awesome as they are, neither of them has the gravitas of Green Goblin, Electro or Rhino so they're not being pushed as hard.
I think having a lot of villains could actually work really well if the movie built around them is strong. It's not a comic book movie, but the first Mortal Kombat was really good and had six villains who milked every ounce of awesome they could muster out of their limited screen time. Heck, Sin City technically had five villains spread throughout three short stories and that movie is fantastic. Of all the current superheroes in film, I think a Hulk movie featuring multiple bad guys could be awesome. People want to see Hulk smash so give him the Leader and the U-Foes to beat up on. That's five classic Hulk villains right there who could be easily be worked into a movie. Throw in Gargoyle (the deformed Soviet scientist) and you've got a sixth villain who can turn on his cohorts to help the Hulk in the end.
Not terribly worried about too many villains myself. SM3 didn't have too many villains as its main problem - it was the fact they tried to cram in 2 extra origin stories (Venom & Sandman) into the same movie. That and completely goat f##%ing Spiderman's origin story killed that franchise dead.
Kidding aside, once you get over the fact that this isn't meant to be a completely faithful recreation of the comics, it looks alright. Jaimie Foxx's Electro and what they show him doing look pretty awesome and, considering Rhino 2 was basically a mecha suit, I'm okay with the Rhino in the movie.
The trailer looks to me like the film is strongly modeled on Bendis and Bagely's Ultimate Spider-Man comics. Here's Ultimate Electro, for example. And although the suit in the USM comics was different than what we see for the Rhino here, it was still some sort of souped up military battle suit, as this new one seems to be.
They're definitely pulling a couple of major plot elements from USM.
(And as for Green Goblin, Chris Cooper is looking a bit green around the gills in the one shot he's in.)
It's funny to me that nobody across the internet seems to be saying the same thing about Captain America: The Winter Soldier. ASM2 is going to have Electro, Rhino, a Green Goblin and Oscorp itself as an evil organization. CA:TWS is going to introduce Winter Soldier, Batroc the Leaper and Crossbones as well as the possibility of SHIELD being shown as corrupt and full of bad people. I wonder if the "too many villains" concern is really just stemming from a difference of opinion on the quality of the films.
Spider-Man 3 takes a lot of guff for having three villains, but it's also not a great movie. Both Amazing Spider-Man and Captain America only feature one villain, but Captain America seems to be regarded as a much better movie. It could just come down to marketing and name recognition though too. Hardly a peep has been made of Batroc and Crossbones and, as awesome as they are, neither of them has the gravitas of Green Goblin, Electro or Rhino so they're not being pushed as hard.
I think having a lot of villains could actually work really well if the movie built around them is strong. It's not a comic book movie, but the first Mortal Kombat was really good and had six villains who milked every ounce of awesome they could muster out of their limited screen time. Heck, Sin City technically had five villains spread throughout three short stories and that movie is fantastic. Of all the current superheroes in film, I think a Hulk movie featuring multiple bad guys could be awesome. People want to see Hulk smash so give him the Leader and the U-Foes to beat up on. That's five classic Hulk villains right there who could be easily be worked into a movie. Throw in Gargoyle (the deformed Soviet scientist) and you've got a sixth villain who can turn on his cohorts to help the Hulk in the end.
I don't think Winter Soldier is getting too much flack because it's pretty obvious that Batroc and Crossbones are playing pretty generic thugs without necessary backstory. I haven't seen Batroc at all in trailers and Crossbones has just been "generic Shield guy" for the movie. Their tertiary villains. Granted Rhino could fall in this category as well. Green Goblin and Electro though will require some degree of back storying (that's not a word, but bear with me).
I mean don't get me wrong...there are ways of pulling in multiple bad guys into a single movie. But they work best when they are mindless (see Destroyer from Thor), relatively generic bad guys, or are cameos.
Also, I actually like Amazing Spiderman...I think the "new" Peter Parker does a much better job nailing the role than Toby Maguire. My only real complaint is that it's obvious that they were worried about being the movie as being too derivative of the Raimi Spiderman, so they tooled around with cannon of the origin story and to some extent made it worse. No utterance of "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility", implying that Peter Parker was genetically altered prior to the spiderbite, etc.
I don't mind that they didn't use the "with great power comes great responsibility" line.
implying that Peter Parker was genetically altered prior to the spiderbite
Where was that in the movie? I don't remember it.
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I really hope Rhino is more than a glorified cameo just because Paul Giamatti is such a great actor and so much has been done with the 616 Rhino to make him one of Spidey's most interesting villains. Though I was aware of the battlesuit Rhino from USM, I never read much of that book so I don't know if the Ultimate version is just a meathead or not. The movie suit looks a lot like a cross between the Rhino 2 mecha and the Ultimate version.
I found this video about Aleksei's tattoos, which suggests a lot of thought has gone into his backstory so I'm hoping that indicates he'll be more than just some thug thrown in for a quick fight. He's seen in the trailer firing the machine gun at Spidey so there's, at least, a scene where we see him pre-armor.
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Not terribly worried about too many villains myself. SM3 didn't have too many villains as its main problem - it was the fact they tried to cram in 2 extra origin stories (Venom & Sandman) into the same movie. That and completely goat f%+~ing Spiderman's origin story killed that franchise dead.
Yeah, and as it looks like they are following the lead of Ultimate Spider-Man by having Oscorp be responsible for the creation of the majority of his villains, you can have more of them in the film without it being as disjointed.
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Jaime Fox steers me away from any movie he does. The scene at the end of the trailer looked like some of the worse CGI I have seen lately. Ill sit this one out.
I'm hoping the shiny, video game-looking CG is due to this being the first trailer and they intend to add some textures before it gets to the theater. As far as Jamie Foxx goes, I'm not sure what it could be about him you don't like. The guy's done really good work with some killer roles (Django, Ray Charles, Wanda.) I think he'll be fine as Max Dillon.
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I watched ASM recently and while I loved it in the cinema, upon second watching it didn't hold up. Peter comes across as more of a vengeance driven butthead than truly heroic character. Plus a little of the "Everyman" quality was lost when they hit the parents backstory stuff.
That said, it wasn't the worst superhero movie, and while it's no Spider-Man 2 (the perfect Spider-Man movie), it's leagues ahead of Spider-Man 3.
This movie would do well to focus on Peter trying to graduate, in the midst of all these super villains. Don't make big deals of their origins, just montage that shizz, and get to the important conflict: Peter trying to balance his relationship, school, family and friendships with his higher responsibilities of being Spider-Man.
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Jaime Fox steers me away from any movie he does. The scene at the end of the trailer looked like some of the worse CGI I have seen lately. Ill sit this one out.I'm hoping the shiny, video game-looking CG is due to this being the first trailer and they intend to add some textures before it gets to the theater. As far as Jamie Foxx goes, I'm not sure what it could be about him you don't like. The guy's done really good work with some killer roles (Django, Ray Charles, Wanda.) I think he'll be fine as Max Dillon.
I thought Django was terrible. Tarrentino seems to make really good scenes wrapped in crappy movies like Inglorius Basterds. When it comes to Fox not sure what it is about him I cant stand. He always has this weird smirk and reminds me of the a holes I know in real life. Its completely subjective. I did think he did a good job in Ray but everything else has been lousy by him.
Seriously? You're going to sit a movie out because of a single scene in the first trailer of the movie coming out next year?
What.
I am kind of burned out on super hero movies to begin with. This spidey remake seemed to be way too soon. I get its a retelling in a different view but its not working for me. Combine that with an actor I really dont like, with bad CGI which I despise, then yes this looks like a loser right out of the gate. YMMV
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Spiderman has always been my favorite super hero, and I was severely disappointed by Tobey Maguire's portrayal.
I thought Amazing Spiderman fixed the franchise--I liked everything about it except for the interminably long "let's line the cranes up" sequence and the Lizard's bizarre looking face.
The key for me, I think is that, well, as another said, Peter Parker was kind of a dick and he should be. He's always been a smart-ass. It's the reason I like Raphael to best of the ninja turtles, too. He beats up the bad guys while unleashing taunting one-liners--he's supposed to be like that, and Tobey Maguire never captured that aspect of the character.
Nothing about this trailer was especially exciting to me. Electro was never really a villain I cared about, but frankly, I'd be excited about this sequel no matter what they do with it.
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Lizard's bizarre looking face.
Yeah, it miffed me up too, until i thought about it and realized that a man's face morphing completely into a face of a lizard would be incredibly stupid, even with the genetic stuff. Also, if the lizard had the head of a lizard, he couldn't speak coherent english. So yeah. They made a good call.
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The key for me, I think is that, well, as another said, Peter Parker was kind of a dick and he should be. He's always been a smart-ass.
I don't see "being a dick" the same as "being a smart ass". Peter in the Amazing Spider-Man just comes across as cocky and obnoxious to me, in particular the store scene that sets up the death of Ben Parker.
In Spider-Man, Peter lets the thief go who stole from the wrestling promoter who just stiffed Peter out of his legitimate fee. As an audience we can have some empathy for Peter doing that - getting one over on the promoter by letting the thief go. It's only afterwards that we realise the consequences of that action.
In Amazing Spider-Man, as I recall Peter lets the thief go because he stole from the store where the cashier wouldn't let Peter use a charity penny to pay for his stuff (do I recall that Peter actually walked out with his item anyway, effectively stealing it by not paying the full amount?) Basically, all my sympathy in this situation is for the cashier. Peter is just a jerk.
That scene is supposed to be the crucial one in the Spider-Man story but Amazing Spider-Man just completely dropped the ball on it IMHO.
If you read Amazing Fantasy #15 (Spidey'e 1st appearance), Peter did turn obnoxious after getting his powers, until Uncle Ben died.
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Spiderman has always been my favorite super hero, and I was severely disappointed by Tobey Maguire's portrayal.
I thought Amazing Spiderman fixed the franchise--I liked everything about it except for the interminably long "let's line the cranes up" sequence and the Lizard's bizarre looking face.
The key for me, I think is that, well, as another said, Peter Parker was kind of a dick and he should be. He's always been a smart-ass. It's the reason I like Raphael to best of the ninja turtles, too. He beats up the bad guys while unleashing taunting one-liners--he's supposed to be like that, and Tobey Maguire never captured that aspect of the character.
Nothing about this trailer was especially exciting to me. Electro was never really a villain I cared about, but frankly, I'd be excited about this sequel no matter what they do with it.
I'm the opposite. I thought the SR Spidermans where great, even the 3rd one, and that the Amazing Spiderman was kind of garbage. It had a lot of issues, and it felt very obvious that it was just there to cash in on the superhero crazy and to keep the license. Now, PP did start out as a nerd that became a jerk when he got powers, but that was kind of the point of his powers, once he realized that he was just as responsible for what happened, and it started to sink in he was basically becoming the bully that had always picked on him, he changed.
In the Amazing Spiderman, he starts out kind of the cool kid bully, and just gets worse. I think a lot of his iconic one-lines felt very forced. I'll probably pass on ASM 2, and might rent it at some point, but it's not particularly a must see.
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He started out as a "cool kid bully"? What?
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In the Amazing Spiderman, he starts out dressing well, and it's more cool to be a "nerd" now. He was a skater, right, so kind of a jock vs a clumsy non-athletic bookworm that most people really disliked. He's also a jerk, and kind of comes of like a shady con-man. Doesn't help he just walks into secrure Oscorp rooms and then didn't he order more stuff right of the internet, (that could be tracked right to him)?
It's been a little bit since I've seen it, but that's what I remember when I watched it sort of jumping out at me.
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If you read Amazing Fantasy #15 (Spidey'e 1st appearance), Peter did turn obnoxious after getting his powers, until Uncle Ben died.
Not read it, but as a movie goer I want to feel for the main character, not dislike them.
The Sam Raimi Spider-Man films seem to get the balance right - Peter did use his powers for selfish purposes to start with, i.e. wrestling for money. He also used he powers to put down Flash Thompson at school and didn't use his powers to get back at the wrestling promoter.
But in all those events I could sympathise with Peter - he was a good nephew but relatively poor, whilst the obnoxious peers had flash cars, and he was stiffed by the wrestling promoter and bullied by Flash.
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The Sam Raimi Spider-Man films seem to get the balance right - Peter did use his powers for selfish purposes to start with, i.e. wrestling for money. He also used he powers to put down Flash Thompson at school and didn't use his powers to get back at the wrestling promoter.
But in all those events I could sympathise with Peter - he was a good nephew but relatively poor, whilst the obnoxious peers had flash cars, and he was stiffed by the wrestling promoter and bullied by Flash.
That's essentially correct. He was kind of like the kid no one liked that won the lottery and suddenly had all kinds of options. He initially went out to become famous when he got powers, wanting to show all those people that picked on him he was the star now, and to win the girls, but it turned out that the promoter sort of jipped him. Then gets robbed, and Peter makes it a point to let him go out of spite. What happens from there pretty much changes him thereafter, where he sees his abilities as a job and a duty, not a gift.
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In the Amazing Spiderman, he starts out dressing well, and it's more cool to be a "nerd" now. He was a skater, right, so kind of a jock vs a clumsy non-athletic bookworm that most people really disliked. He's also a jerk, and kind of comes of like a shady con-man. Doesn't help he just walks into secrure Oscorp rooms and then didn't he order more stuff right of the internet, (that could be tracked right to him)?
It's been a little bit since I've seen it, but that's what I remember when I watched it sort of jumping out at me.
He was played as more of a sullen outsider than a straight up geek in ASM, you can certainly argue that he made a dumb move, directly ordering the stuff he uses to make his web fluid from OSCORP, but that's a huge leap to him being a "bully". Heck, there's a scene early in the movie where he stops Flash from bullying some kid and gets beat up instead as a result
Also, comic Peter Parker is a jerk, he has been since the start.
I read through a lot of the Essential collections a year or so ago. Every few issues Peter does something like get angry at the Fantastic Four because they're popular and decides that he's going to break into their house and wreck stuff to show them that he's better than them.
Peter Parker is every nerdy outcast who is angry at the world because he's been beat up, ignored by girls, and made to feel small, if anything ASM really dialed down how big of an entitled jerk teenage Peter Parker was in the comics.