New Iconics?


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RainyDayNinja wrote:
With the current iconics, all but 1 of the divine casters (Harsk) is female, while 3 out of 4 Int-based casters (and I'm including the Alchemist in that) are male. I think they should fix that gender imbalance with these classes.

Unless they're breaking from their tradition of referring to classes by the iconic's gender, they're soooort of balancing things out. The Arcanist is female, and the Warpriest is male. (And known to be a Gorum-worshipping Half-Orc.)

The Hunter is female, however, as is the Shaman, and the Investigator is male.

In terms of generally distancing iconics from those of similar classes, there's a light trend by gender. Note that "conceptually similar" is a bit of a judgement call. Coincidentally, seven of the ten hybrids have mixed-gender parent classes, and there's one case (the Shaman) where the hybrid is the same gender as both of the parent classes.

Arcanist (Female): Wizard (Male), Sorcerer (Female)
Bloodrager (Male): Barbarian (Female), Sorcerer (Female), Skald (Male)
Brawler (Female): Monk (Male), Fighter (Male)
Hunter (Female): Druid (Female), Ranger (Male)
Investigator (Male): Rogue (Female), Alchemist (Male)
Shaman (Female): Oracle (Female), Witch (Female), Druid (Female)
Skald (Male): Bard (Male), Barbarian (Female), Bloodrager (Male)
Slayer (Male): Rogue (Female), Ranger (Male), Inquisitor (Female)
Swashbuckler (Female): Gunslinger (Female), Fighter (Male), Rogue (Female)
Warpriest (Male): Cleric (Female), Fighter (Male), Paladin (Female), Oracle (Female)


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Joyd wrote:
Slayer (Male)

If the slayer iconic was only modeled after Idris Elba, we could have an archetype that specializes in hunting Large or bigger monsters, and call it the jaeger. (And yes, I seriously think it's a good idea.)

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Joyd wrote:
Slayer (Male)
If the slayer iconic was only modeled after Idris Elba, we could have an archetype that specializes in hunting Large or bigger monsters, and call it the jaeger. (And yes, I seriously think it's a good idea.)

Sorry Patrick Renie, but we are canceling the Alpacalypse.

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While cool, the problem is Jaeger just means Hunter in German, which could lead to translation confusion with the Hunter class.

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Orthos wrote:
While cool, the problem is Jaeger just means Hunter in German, which could lead to translation confusion with the Hunter class.

Then in Germany just call it el/la Cazador :3

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Making a Slayer look like Idris Elba is clearly a good idea in general.

Where is Hackney on Golarion, though? Does Westcrown have an East London, innit?


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Yeah, Mr. Elba would also make an excellent investigator too (and a nice counterpoint to all the Caucasian depictions of Sherlock).


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Can ALL of the new iconics be Idris Elba? ;)

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Yeah, Mr. Elba would also make an excellent investigator too (and a nice counterpoint to all the Caucasian depictions of Sherlock).

Yeah, I agree with that. I love him, and his John Luther character (not to mention Alice) was one of my inspirations for the investigator. Love, love, love that show.

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Stephen Radney-MacFarland wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Yeah, Mr. Elba would also make an excellent investigator too (and a nice counterpoint to all the Caucasian depictions of Sherlock).
Yeah, I agree with that. I love him, and his John Luther character (not to mention Alice) was one of my inspirations for the investigator. Love, love, love that show.

So there's going to be a mechanic keying off of roleplaying intensity, right? ;)

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Personally I'm half expecting the iconic warpriest to be a half orc of Gorum, seriously, the class just screams Gorum. As far as where they'd be from, I'd guess most likely Belkzen, Land of the Linnorm Kings or even the River Kingdoms.
EDIT: ignore this part, missed the comments confirming my expectation.

Someone mentioned the swashbuckler being from Galt as a freedom fighter type: I can see that but personally believe it would be from the Shackles (swashbuckler is an archetypal term for pirate after all)


In hindsight, I don't think anyone mentioned this: but what if the brawler was female and (wait for it) Sajan's missing sister?

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Solidchaos085 wrote:
In hindsight, I don't think anyone mentioned this: but what if the brawler was female and (wait for it) Sajan's missing sister?

The brawler IS Female - the Brawler section uses "she" as its pronoun - but the devs have already debunked theories that Sajini will be the new iconic.


Orthos wrote:
Solidchaos085 wrote:
In hindsight, I don't think anyone mentioned this: but what if the brawler was female and (wait for it) Sajan's missing sister?
The brawler IS Female - the Brawler section uses "she" as its pronoun - but the devs have already debunked theories that Sajini will be the new iconic.

Damn, ah well, was a nice thought though

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What I want to see is the brawler wearing a punching dagger, or brass knuckles, or something to that effect. There's been no real love for fist weapons, despite how visually impressive they can be.


We need an Hermaphrodite Iconic, and maybe a Trap/Reverse Trap one or two as well.


Belle Mythix wrote:

We need an Hermaphrodite Iconic, and maybe a Trap/Reverse Trap one or two as well.

a trap iconic would be awesome

just please don't name him Bridget or Chrona. those 2 names are way to well known for certain iconic traps from relatively mainstream Japanese franchises

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Belle Mythix wrote:
We need an Hermaphrodite Iconic

Given the internet's seeming perception of intersexed people, Seoni would be the popular choice.

Now that I think about it, I'm honestly pleasantly surprised the most well-known intersexed (and mortal) intersexed NPC isn't a total sexbomb.* Which is actually really surprising, given everything else about her.

*Not that this is a bad thing.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
I just want someone from Nurvatchta.

As an iconic? Probably not going to happen. Although it would be cool.


Belle Mythix wrote:

We need an Hermaphrodite Iconic, and maybe a Trap/Reverse Trap one or two as well.

I'm not familiar with what a trap is in this context. Anyone able to help me out with this?


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Tinkergoth wrote:
Belle Mythix wrote:

We need an Hermaphrodite Iconic, and maybe a Trap/Reverse Trap one or two as well.

I'm not familiar with what a trap is in this context. Anyone able to help me out with this?

{drops a Bridget on him}

Another voyager lost in the Tropes Hole!

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It should be noted that the term "trap" generally really isn't appreciated by the real people it fetishizes, for multiple reasons.


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Mikaze wrote:
It should be noted that the term "trap" generally really isn't appreciated by the real people it fetishizes, for multiple reasons.

Wow, yeah I can see why it wouldn't be appreciated. Consider it noted and added to the list of off-limit terms.

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Mikaze wrote:
It should be noted that the term "trap" generally really isn't appreciated by the real people it fetishizes, for multiple reasons.
Wow, yeah I can see why it wouldn't be appreciated. Consider it noted and added to the list of off-limit terms.

The thing with "traps" in Anime, Manga, Visual Novels, Light Novels, etc, is that despite looking very girly, they turn out to be way more endowed than most guys around.

... "Trap" = guy that looks/dresses like a girl. "Reverse Trap" = girl that looks/dresses like a guy.

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Yeah, sorry.

Let's go back on topic.

Well, the part about the lack of hermaphrodite/intersex characters in fiction is probably due to writers having the same problem the parents of such being face, how do you address that character. He? She? It? Something else? (Earth languages need to evolve) and someone should make a topic to continue that one.

I'm surprised at the gender distribution, I was expecting the usual Divine Casters are Female thing.

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Belle Mythix wrote:

Yeah, sorry.

Let's go back on topic.

Well, the part about the lack of hermaphrodite/intersex characters in fiction is probably due to writers having the same problem the parents of such being face, how do you address that character. He? She? It? Something else? (Earth languages need to evolve) and someone should make a topic to continue that one.

I'm surprised at the gender distribution, I was expecting the usual Divine Casters are Female thing.

Well they DO seem to want to break stereotypes so it would be wrong for them to create their own gender stereotypes....


All the new iconics should be gnomes.

Problem solved.

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Gnomezrule wrote:

All the new iconics should be gnomes.

Problem solved.

Very true. We can use a punting contest to decide the final Iconics :3


Made a topic about the hermaphrodite/intersex derailment

Back on topic, read the PDF again, this should be interesting.


I wonder how much we will know about them before ACG is out.


An Iconic that isn't pictured with swords/piercing/slashing weapon.

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Belle Mythix wrote:

An Iconic that isn't pictured with swords/piercing/slashing weapon.

YES! More Axes and Maces and Hammers!


An Iconic with elemental abilities who use something else than Fire/Flame.

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Belle Mythix wrote:
An Iconic with elemental abilities who use something else than Fire/Flame.

The game could certainly use more air, earth and water spells, with cool effects and visuals, and less 'acid = earth so all those [acid] descriptor spells represent my earth magic' stuff.

In that vein, more pictures of an iconic casting a spell that is visibly a known spell (such as the picture of Ezren, Seoni and Seltyiel all casting scorching ray).

This picture of Seltyiel, for instance, is totally cool, and I kind of wish there was a low-level spell that conjured a tiny fire imp thingie to attack one's foes, but, as far as I know, there isn't such a thing (barring the spell I wrote in my head when I first saw that picture!), so it's hardly 'iconic.' (The critter even seems too small to be a small fire elemental, conjured with summon monster 1.)


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... Lacking in redheaded Iconic?

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White hair seems to be pretty 'iconic' in Golarion, between Seoni, Ezren, Merisiel, Seltyiel, Balazar and Feiya. (And sometimes even Lem, who, I think, is supposed to be blonde.)

Alain is, as far as I've noticed, the only brown-haired iconic, in a stable of iconics with black, blonde, white, green or no hair. Still, that's actually pretty normal for genre art. The majority of superheroes are blondes, red heads or have jet-black or all-white hair, with brunettes being relatively rare by comparison.

I'm still kinda loving that the 'iconic loremaster' in the core rulebook is a dwarf. Throw those expectations on the ground and stomp on them!

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Set wrote:
The majority of superheroes are blondes, red heads or have jet-black or all-white hair, with brunettes being relatively rare by comparison.

I've (like many people) been playing the Arkham series of Batman games. I've been startled by the proportion of his rogues gallery listed as having blue eyes in their dossiers.

Set wrote:
I'm still kinda loving that the 'iconic loremaster' in the core rulebook is a dwarf. Throw those expectations on the ground and stomp on them!

And a sober dwarf who drinks tea, no less! (Though, Loremaster does make a certain amount of sense for dwarves: they are history-loving traditionalists.)


i'd like to see more polearm and flail wielding iconics.

too many swords, a glaive or meteor hammer would actually be pretty sweet though.


I would love to see a male Gnome as the swashbuckler, specifically Noole from Pathfinder Tales Blood in the City. We have no martial non Magical Gnome Iconic's at the moment and to me his Art was the first thing I thought of when I read the rules for the Swashbuckler class. I do not think we are allowed post links but it can be found on this very Website on the post about the Blood of the City Sample Chapter on August 8, 2012.

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9Reeds wrote:
I do not think we are allowed post links but it can be found on this very Website on the post about the Blood of the City Sample Chapter on August 8, 2012.

You can post links using the [url] tag. See the 'how to format your text' thing under the new post form.

You can also get the sample chapter from the Blood of the City product page


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Maybe an Iconic from Arcadia...

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