Bard Questions

[BraveEarth]

So I was wondering about how practical this sort of idea is; I assume most people know of the Flagbearer Feat, and how the associated item, The Banner of Ancient Kings interacts with it. If not a small summary.

The Flagbearer feat takes away one of your hands in exchange for granting you a 30' bubble with a +1 Moral Bonus to Attack, Damage and Saves against Fear and Charm. Now the Banner of Ancient Kings Doubles this Bonus if you have the Feat, and frees up your hand if you are willing to put it on a spear. Also as an Added Bonus for Bards it grants you +4 Class Levels when you are accounting for your Inspire Courage Bonus. (1,5,11,17) And because the bonus granted by Inspire Courage is a Competence Bonus I have to ask.

For an Aasimar who say invests some Favored class Bonuses in their Racial bonus. Invest in say a Courageous Longspear which would increase your own moral bonus from the Banner. I think you could have a very effective Melee Bard, or you could be selfish and go Dawnflower Dervish and end up with +10 to your Attack and Damage. While still semibuffing your party with the Banner.

So Thoughts, or is this not as effective as I am initially thinking?

EDIT: Sidenote, Why would anyone want to be the Regular Dervish Dancer Archetype given your both dancing but you don't get a doubled bonus for your selfishness?

[calagnar]

Banner of Ancient Kings augments the Flagbearer feet. It however dose not remove the required one hand on the flag for it. It just means the Banner of the Ancient Kings when used by it self can be attached to a weapon. That dose not mean you can buy pass the required one hand on the Flag rule for Flagbearer. So if you put the Banner of the Ancient Kings on the long spear it works but not for the Flagbearer feet as you are not meeting the requirements for the feet.

Other then that yes you can use the Flagbearer in that way. I made a bard with the flagbearer feet using heavy pick. So I can use it with hold person/monster.

Don't for get however that the min Cha 15 for flagbearer. If your using a point buy that's a investment. If your rolling dice it all depends on how you roll. With point buy it makes it hard to pay for and still be good at melee due to making you very MAD with a min Cha on top of that.

[MatthewN]

An Aasimar who invests 8 levels of FCB into Inspire Courage could max out Inspire Courage with the BotAK by level 9.

[BraveEarth]

@Calagnar A 15 CHA for a Bard isn't really so unreasonable given that it's also your casting Stat meaning by Level 12 17 you'll want atleast a 16. You could easily just invest a 14 and either Bump it with your Level Progression or Invest in a Band of Inspiring Charisma Which would would have wanted anyway.

[Rerednaw]

It's not a bad option for a bard build. However the BoAK isn't cheap so it depends on your campaign, as you cannot reap the benefits until mid to late game.

And it depends on your party...if you have a party of mostly casters... :)