New Classes, Old Archetypes


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So, I’ve noticed that there are enough features remaining to allow a handful of these classes to play with a handful of old archetypes? Like the Ninja with rogue archetypes, this is allowed, correct?

Note: This was a fast run through. I might’ve missed someone somewhere or missed a change in the new class that’d make it ineligible.

None: Brawler, Hunter, Shaman, Slayer, Warpriest

Arcanist:
Wizard: Aside from Discoveries, I’m not seeing anything that’s compatible

Bloodrager:
Barbarian: Drunken Brute, Hurler, Mounted Fury, Sea Reaver, Totem Warrior

Investigator:
Alchemist: Chirurgeon, Visionary Researcher
Rogue: Investigator (funnily enough)

Skald:
Bard: Geisha

Swashbuckler:
Fighter: Gladiator

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I'd love an official answer to this. Excellent work finding these! I wondered if any archetypes "matched up" to the new classes.

Edit: I totally want to make an Investigator Investigator. :P

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The Morphling wrote:

I'd love an official answer to this. Excellent work finding these! I wondered if any archetypes "matched up" to the new classes.

Edit: I totally want to make an Investigator Investigator. :P

This is exactly why they need to name the new classes something other than archetype names that already exist.


I thought these 10 new classes are going to have their own individual archetypes later on, rather than use those from the classes on which they are based?

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Skaldi the Tallest wrote:

Skald:

Bard: Geisha

For some reason I find the mental image of a rage-inducing geisha hilarious.

"This tea ceremony was a travesty! Utter nonsense! Raragh! Smash!"

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Yes, archetypes for these new classes - and some new ones for the already-existing classes - are supposed to be included in the final product.


Tea ceremonies and rage. I think there's an anime trope for that actually. Tsundere IIRC.

Yes, the new viking themed alternate class is getting anime in your serious pseudoeuropean game about brightly colored gnomes and illiterate pyromaniac yodas.


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Atarlost wrote:
Tea ceremonies and rage. I think there's an anime trope for that actually. Tsundere IIRC.

Actually, a girl who seems very nice on the outside doing a tea ceremony and then flips out into a rage would be closer to the Yandere trope. Just sayin'.


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I think the Bloodrager SHOULD get Mounted Fury acess given Celestial Bloodline's mounted bonus feats lack support otherwise.


didn't realize there was already a thread for this.

personally i want this to work--it gives the hybrids some much-needed support and flexibility for folks to look for. it also wouldnt make sense that other alternate classes made previously can do this (such as the scout ninja), but that hybrids (which are marked as an alternate class) couldnt.

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I don't see how you think the Swashbuckler can take the Gladiator archetype. Gladiator replaces heavy armor and tower shield proficiency (which the Swashbuckler doesn't have) with Performance Weapon Mastery as well as a piecemeal armor bonus.


The Morphling wrote:

I'd love an official answer to this. Excellent work finding these! I wondered if any archetypes "matched up" to the new classes.

Edit: I totally want to make an Investigator Investigator. :P

Also there's an archetype for rogues called swashbuckler. So if the multiclassing ban is lifted. You could have a Swashbuckler Swashbuckler.

Link: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/archetypes/paizo---rogue -archetypes/swashbuckler


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investigator investigator

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swashbuckler swashbuckler

isnt the swashbuckler a fighter/gunslinger? theres no rogue involved, so rogue ATs wouldnt be a thing. you could multiclass into rogue (swashbuckler), since its not one of the base classes for the hybrid.


ryric wrote:
Skaldi the Tallest wrote:

Skald:

Bard: Geisha

For some reason I find the mental image of a rage-inducing geisha hilarious.

"This tea ceremony was a travesty! Utter nonsense! Raragh! Smash!"

I nearly wet myself laughing so hard at this.


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ryric wrote:
Skaldi the Tallest wrote:

Skald:

Bard: Geisha

For some reason I find the mental image of a rage-inducing geisha hilarious.

"This tea ceremony was a travesty! Utter nonsense! Raragh! Smash!"

Off with their heads--what's taking so long? get me my axe, i'll do it myself!

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So can you still take archetypes? if I was to take the Swashbuckler, would I be able to trade out gunslinger stuff for a musket master? I'm thinking as long as all the properties the archetype wanted to change were present it would be ok. But I guess I better read Swashbuckler a little better.

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ok the answer is no, because none of the replacements line up.

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For now, let's go with "you can't use an archetype of a class with a hybrid that uses that class." In most cases, you won't be able to swap out the pieces anyway, and even if you did, it could have unexpected consequences.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:

For now, let's go with "you can't use an archetype of a class with a hybrid that uses that class." In most cases, you won't be able to swap out the pieces anyway, and even if you did, it could have unexpected consequences.

Isn't the whole "unexpected consequences" part why we're playtesting and seeing what happens when we do various things with the new classes in the game?

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We have to control some of the variables for the playtest or it's hard to get any useful data out of it.

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That's disapointing... I fed up and played a Gnome urban bloodradger in our last test and it was so much fun. It fits the class mechanics so well.


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
We have to control some of the variables for the playtest or it's hard to get any useful data out of it.

hopefully you'll eventually open those doors so it CAN be tested before the playtest ends, right?


I sorta wish there were some rules on creating the classes..
im working out a samurai/fighter class.
basically the samurai with bonus feats,armor training, weapon training (exotic weapons, or the katana/wakizashi to hvy blades)

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