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Silver Crusade

Maybe introducing a Deity or Religion's favored group of weapons?

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To the front loaded discussion:I think the combat feat should be moved to second level. This doesn't help tremendously, as you still get 2 blessings a feat (that is rather popular), and spell stuff, but it would help a bit as 3 orisons and 1 first level spell from the cleric spell list, isn't a vast boon. The spell wouldn't be good for a whole lot (other than wands of cure light and spont. casting), and the blessings are rather meh due to the standard action and short duration. And at second level a warpriest can take a lot more combat feats.

To the blessing and action economy discussions:What if there were more blessings like the healing blessing? The healing blessing allows you to cast cure spells on yourself as a swift action. What if the protection blessing allowed you to cast protection from (Insert Alignment Here) spells as a swift action on yourself? What if the War Blessing allowed you to cast spells that gave bonuses to attack and damage (like divine favor or divine power) as a swift action on yourself? This could help with action economy and make blessings more attractive.

To the Sacred Weapon discussion:I think we should just move this to the other thread completely, to give more room for playtest feedback or other suggestions.

Silver Crusade

ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:

By the time the warpriest gets GMW himself and starts to gain a bit of an edge (stacking Sacred Weapon with the spell, presuming he cast it on his focus weapon), the cleric is rocking righteous might.

Which he is using with either a simple weapon or the weapon of the deity they selected.

Unless they took a feat.

Correct?

Or a level of fighter, which still puts the cleric ahead of the warpriest in the spell progression department and with good trait selection no further behind in caster level. Seriously, we just had this exchange. Fighter 1/Cleric X has the exact same proficiency list as the warpriest plus tower shield, faster spell progression, higher base attack bonus, and even the same caster level should he so choose. You can even bump it up to Fighter 2 to get another bonus feat and even higher BAB and still be ahead in the spell department; you need at least three levels of not-cleric to lose a caster level and delay 4th level spells to when Warpriest gets them.

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Rysky wrote:
Maybe introducing a Deity or Religion's favored group of weapons?

Except that they have a lot of deities that they would need to do that for, and they wouldn't be able to address all of the deities in ACG (probably just the Core ones).

Although, I do have to wonder if they will be coming out with a Pathfinder Chronicles or Pathfinder Player Companion book alongside the ACG with Golarion specific archetypes, feats, spells, etc for the new classes, like they did with Mythic Realms / Mythic Origins for Mythic Adventures or Quests & Campaigns for Ultimate Campaign.


ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:

By the time the warpriest gets GMW himself and starts to gain a bit of an edge (stacking Sacred Weapon with the spell, presuming he cast it on his focus weapon), the cleric is rocking righteous might.

Which he is using with either a simple weapon or the weapon of the deity they selected.

Unless they took a feat.

Correct?

Depends on whether they actually give it a feat or not. You may never see that dream feat of yours.

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:

By the time the warpriest gets GMW himself and starts to gain a bit of an edge (stacking Sacred Weapon with the spell, presuming he cast it on his focus weapon), the cleric is rocking righteous might.

Which he is using with either a simple weapon or the weapon of the deity they selected.

Unless they took a feat.

Correct?

Depends on whether they actually give it a feat or not. You may never see that dream feat of yours.

You didn't actually read what I wrote, did you?

Silver Crusade

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:

By the time the warpriest gets GMW himself and starts to gain a bit of an edge (stacking Sacred Weapon with the spell, presuming he cast it on his focus weapon), the cleric is rocking righteous might.

Which he is using with either a simple weapon or the weapon of the deity they selected.

Unless they took a feat.

Correct?

Depends on whether they actually give it a feat or not. You may never see that dream feat of yours.

He chose the wrong part of the post to cherrypick for what he wanted to say, but he was pretty clearly referring to the cleric, who would have to take Martial Weapon Proficiency to use a martial weapon... proficiently. Whether she does this with a feat slot or a level in a class that is proficient in all martial weapons is up to the player. He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon). That the cleric would need MWP to use a martial weapon is true; he just doesn't seem to understand that it isn't relevant.

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Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).

"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

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ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

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Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...

And I bolded your words to allow you to respond to point 2.


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ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...

At what point did you decide that condescending passive-aggression helped your argument? And did you ever intend on acknowledging my previous post about Serena and her weapon selection, which was done to honor tenets of the Jasite faith?


ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...

What deities require their followers to use a particular weapon?

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Prince of Knives wrote:


At what point did you decide that condescending passive-aggression helped your argument? And did you ever intend on acknowledging my previous post about Serena and her weapon selection, which was done to honor tenets of the Jasite faith?

Sure.

If she were a cleric, would she be able to do that without taking a feat?

The answer is no for the cleric. No for the inquisitor.

And so for the warpriest, where the favored weapon use is a class feature...

Edit: Also, if you think what he wrote was passive aggressive, take it up with him. I just bolded it because what he said applied.

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137ben wrote:


What deities require their followers to use a particular weapon?

None.

Where is it listed as a requirement rather than a bonus?


ciretose wrote:
137ben wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...
What deities require their followers to use a particular weapon?

None.

Where is it listed as a requirement rather than a bonus?

Well it isn't listed anywhere, that was the point. Its not a tenant of the faiths in the game that you have to wield their favored weapon. That was a response to you saying using the weapon was a part of their tenants or you weren't following well enough.

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What does the word favored mean to you?

Silver Crusade

ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...

And I bolded your words to allow you to respond to point 2.

There are clerics who don't exclusively use the weapon favored by their deities. There are tons of paladins who do the same thing. Are you seriously arguing that using weapons other than the favored weapon listed on Chart 3-6 where appropriate amounts to fall-worthy heresy?

And the bolded doesn't answer point 2 at all, because I used the plural, weapons. If the target is best attacked with a bludgeoning weapon she busts out her trusty mace; if piercing the old, reliable spear; if slashing then sickle, which comes with the added bonus of the Trip property. Her class abilities work equally well with all of these. The warpriest's don't, incurring an opportunity cost to using anything else that the cleric doesn't have. The entire point is that when needing to deal martially with varied situations, like rampaging wyverns, a warpriest of Iomedae, for instance, should be better at it than the cleric. He's not. Fly-By wyvern > swift action +1 on a sword. On a bow it could be useful (though an archer fighter will still be better), but he can't do that because reasons.

And this is where you fall back to "It's a bonus, not a punishment." But the fact of the matter is that regardless of that, the warpriest should be better than the cleric at martial pursuits such as beating people about the head with weapons. He's not. You wouldn't dream of making that argument if the full BAB was used on the chart but the Focus Weapon and Sacred Weapon abilities were phrased such that weapons other than the focus weapon count as used at 3/4 BAB, even though mathematically speaking the two are the same thing or close enough. (Sacred Weapon + 3/4 BAB still falls behind full BAB at certain points before pulling even again, but it tracks pretty well.) As it stands, warpriests aren't even mechanically advantaged so much as mechanically adequate at hitting things their favored weapon is good at hitting, and if he's not... you'd rather have a fighter. Who could probably be better at hitting things even with the warpriest's favored weapon anyway.


ciretose wrote:


Edit: Also, if you think what he wrote was passive aggressive, take it up with him. I just bolded it because what he said applied.

No, that comment was directed squarely at you.

And you're missing the point with the Cleric comparison, over and over and over and over again. Let's try this one more time:

Appropriate Class Comparisons: Paladin, Crusader (3.5), Inquisitor, Magus

Inappropriate Class Comparisons: All of the other classes.

The, as you keep pointing out, Warpriest has that word at the front. If 'priest' was the emphasis it would be a Cleric, but it's not - it's a warrior, a holy or unholy or axiomatic or anarchic champion. Of the classes with similar concepts, only Inquisitor needs a feat to use new weapons. A War priest is expected to be the sword and shield of his faith, to defend those that follow it and crush its enemies with the power of their faith and for the greater glory of their god. They're a soldier, not a chaplain, and your continued blathering on about how not using a Favored Weapon is insufficient piety is really annoying in that context.

If a cleric of, oh, Wee Jas didn't use a dagger in a holy ceremony that's a problem of piety. If a Warpriest of Wee Jas doesn't use a dagger to slay one of Her enemies that's battle, and I sincerely doubt that She cares.


ciretose wrote:
MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
137ben wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
He thinks this means his dream feat would be acceptable (completely ignoring the fact that there are simple weapons that are quite good in multiple situations that the cleric could use, which are also closed to Sacred Weapon if they don't happen to be the focus weapon).
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...
What deities require their followers to use a particular weapon?

None.

Where is it listed as a requirement rather than a bonus?

Well it isn't listed anywhere, that was the point. Its not a tenant of the faiths in the game that you have to wield their favored weapon. That was a response to you saying using the weapon was a part of their tenants or you weren't following well enough.
What does the word favored mean to you?

Who cares? That doesn't have to do with their tenants or being a good follower, which is the subject.


ciretose wrote:
137ben wrote:


What deities require their followers to use a particular weapon?

None.

Where is it listed as a requirement rather than a bonus?

in the part when you will suck for not using them.

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Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
Renegade Paladin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
"If the warpriest does not have a deity, he can select any simple weapon."

1.) For being the self-appointed Chief Enforcer of Flavor, the sentiment that a player should make his character agnostic just for weapon choice seems a bit out of place.

2.) Any one simple weapon. He picks heavy mace. Great, fine. Now that wyvern over there is employing Fly-By Attack. What do?

1. If you don't follow the tenets of your faith enough to use the weapon favored by the deity...

And I bolded your words to allow you to respond to point 2.

There are clerics who don't exclusively use the weapon favored by their deities. There are tons of paladins who do the same thing. Are you seriously arguing that using weapons other than the favored weapon listed on Chart 3-6 where appropriate amounts to fall-worthy heresy?

Why you put it italics. I must have said it...

No...wait. No I didn't. I didn't say that at all.

Man, if you read what people said I was saying...if only someone in the thread felt strongly putting words into peoples mouths was wrong and consistently comments on it in an evenhanded way....

But anyway...

What I said and am saying is that if you are picking a deity, and one of the tenets of the faith is that the deity has a weapon that they favor, a weapon all priests of the faith learn how to use, and you decide not to use that weapon, that tells me following the teachings of that deity isn't the most important part of your character concept to you.

Which is fine.

But why should you get a non-favored weapon without giving up a feat?

Particularly given that as a cleric or inquisitor you would have to take a proficiency feat most of time just to be proficient, let alone have it be the "sacred" weapon of the deity.

If you love the flavor of the god, the weapon is part of the flavor.

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Prince of Knives wrote:


Appropriate Class Comparisons: Paladin, Crusader (3.5), Inquisitor, Magus

Your inquisitor can't use it without a feat either.

The Magus can't use anything that isn't one handed.

The Paladin can't be anything but Lawful Good.

The 3.5 Crusader isn't even Pathfinder...


ciretose wrote:
What I said and am saying is that if you are picking a deity, and one of the tenets of the faith is that the deity has a weapon that they favor, a weapon all priests of the faith learn how to use, and you decide not to use that weapon, that tells me following the teachings of that deity isn't the most important part of your character concept to you.

Okay, well the gods don't have a universal "use my weapon" as a tenant, so that's a moot point.

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:


What does the word favored mean to you?

Who cares? That doesn't have to do with their tenants or being a good follower, which is the subject.

*blink*

Is your position that what the deity you worship favors isn't relevant to the followers of that faith?


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ciretose wrote:
MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
What does the word favored mean to you?
Who cares? That doesn't have to do with their tenants or being a good follower, which is the subject.

*blink*

Is your position that what the deity you worship favors isn't relevant to the followers of that faith?

You keep leaving out all the other quoted material. That's pretty important stuff. And I didn't say that the favored weapon isn't relevant at all. What I did say was that it didn't have to do with the subject because it isn't a tenet to use the weapon. Favored weapons are a legacy thing, clerics get proficiency with them and gods have them in a write-up. Favored Souls and Warpriest(as written atm), get weapon focus with it. However, deities don't have "use a greatsword!" or similar as a tenet though.

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
What I said and am saying is that if you are picking a deity, and one of the tenets of the faith is that the deity has a weapon that they favor, a weapon all priests of the faith learn how to use, and you decide not to use that weapon, that tells me following the teachings of that deity isn't the most important part of your character concept to you.
Okay, well the gods don't have a universal "use my weapon" as a tenant, so that's a moot point.

But they do favor a weapon. All clerics (and inquisitors) of the faith are trained with that weapon. If you choose to use another weapon, other than a simple weapon, you have to take a feat to do so proficiently.

This class gives a bonus if you use the weapon your God favors. Because it is the weapon the God that you worship, favors.

So the God gives a bonus to the weapon they favor and you decide "I don't want to use the weapon my God favors. The one that we all train with and that they use and that the tenets of the church indicate is the favored weapon. I want to use something else"

My solution. "Ok...I guess we can add a feat to let you do that."

What I'm hearing "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON THAT I DON'T LIKE!"

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Cheapy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate everyone on surpassing the swashbuckler thread in posts.

It is still early. I think it will go back and forth :)


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ciretose wrote:
What I'm hearing "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON THAT I DON'T LIKE!"

And that's not what people are saying at all.

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MrSin wrote:


You keep leaving out all the other quoted material. That's pretty important stuff. And I didn't say that the favored weapon isn't relevant at all. What I did say was that it didn't have to do with the subject because it isn't a tenet to use the weapon. Favored weapons are a legacy thing, clerics get proficiency with them and gods have them in a write-up. Favored Souls and Warpriest(as written atm), get weapon focus with it. However, deities don't have "use a greatsword!" or similar as a tenet though.

I actually cited several examples where, in fact, the followers of the Gods are encouraged if not instructed to carry and use the weapon.

Literally the only non-simple weapon a cleric knows how to use is generally the favored weapon of their God.

When you summon a spiritual weapon, it is the favored weapon of your God.

But you don't like its, so it's just a "legacy thing"...

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
What I'm hearing "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON THAT I DON'T LIKE!"
And that's not what people are saying at all.

They are saying that any weapon I pick should be able to be favored by the god enough to get the bonuses without me having to do anything else, because that is what I want it to be.

Many of them very angrily, with exclamation points.


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If you think a feat for a second favored weapon fixes this, then you don't actually have a problem with warpriests using any martial weapon. You just want some warpriests to have one less feat.

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RJGrady wrote:
If you think a feat for a second favored weapon fixes this, then you don't actually have a problem with warpriests using any martial weapon. You just want some warpriests to have one less feat.

Who said a second.

A feat to have it be another weapon.

Sacred weapon, singular, not weapons plural.


ciretose wrote:


I actually cited several examples where, in fact, the followers of the Gods are encouraged if not instructed to carry and use the weapon.

You also uated a part where the followers fo pharasma refusse to use a dagger in combat and that do not really bother anyone.


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ciretose wrote:
MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
What I'm hearing "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON THAT I DON'T LIKE!"
And that's not what people are saying at all.

They are saying that any weapon I pick should be able to be favored by the god enough to get the bonuses without me having to do anything else, because that is what I want it to be.

It is what happens with the paladin, I suppose paladins of Iomedae who favors greatsword have low faith because Using longswords no matter what is totally more important than killing demons and saving innocents.

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ciretose wrote:
The Magus can't use anything that isn't one handed.

Wrong. They are proficient in all Martial weapons. They just get a bonus when using one handed weapons :)

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Nicos wrote:
ciretose wrote:


I actually cited several examples where, in fact, the followers of the Gods are encouraged if not instructed to carry and use the weapon.

You also uated a part where the followers fo pharasma refusse to use a dagger in combat and that do not really bother anyone.

Some priests. Not most, not many, just some.

Presumably not war priests.


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ciretose wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
If you think a feat for a second favored weapon fixes this, then you don't actually have a problem with warpriests using any martial weapon. You just want some warpriests to have one less feat.

Who said a second.

A feat to have it be another weapon.

Sacred weapon, singular, not weapons plural.

I didn't say additional, I just said second. Mind you, I was thinking of an additional one, but the idea of spending a feat just to switch it actually is actually worse. so,

If you think a feat for a different favored weapon fixes this, then you don't actually have a problem with warpriests using any martial weapon. You just want some warpriests to have one less feat.

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ArmouredMonk13 wrote:
ciretose wrote:
The Magus can't use anything that isn't one handed.
Wrong. They are proficient in all Martial weapons. They just get a bonus when using one handed weapons :)

Just like Warpriests only get bonus with favored weapons :)


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Wizards don't have a penalty when they lose their spellbooks, they just have a bonus when they can access them.

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RJGrady wrote:
ciretose wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
If you think a feat for a second favored weapon fixes this, then you don't actually have a problem with warpriests using any martial weapon. You just want some warpriests to have one less feat.

Who said a second.

A feat to have it be another weapon.

Sacred weapon, singular, not weapons plural.

I didn't say additional, I just said second. Mind you, I was thinking of an additional one, but the idea of spending a feat just to switch it actually is actually worse. so,

If you think a feat for a different favored weapon fixes this, then you don't actually have a problem with warpriests using any martial weapon. You just want some warpriests to have one less feat.

Or I want using the favored weapon to be the best choice, since it it is the favored weapoon.

And I think you can have the flavor of the feat be "You pray to your god to grant you power with another weapon"


ciretose wrote:
But you don't like its, so it's just a "legacy thing"...

Again with the misrepresenting. I didn't say its 'just a legacy thing' I did use the say it was a legacy gig several times though and gave examples of where you get small bonuses that don't restrict the class. Whether or not I like it has no weight in on the matter of it being in previous editions.

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
But you don't like its, so it's just a "legacy thing"...
Again with the misrepresenting. I didn't say its 'just a legacy thing' I did use the say it was a legacy gig several times though and gave examples of where you get small bonuses that don't restrict the class. Whether or not I like it has no weight in on the matter of it being in previous editions.

The implication of "legacy thing" was you surely meaning "A really amazing and treasured aspect of the game which should be honored"....

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RJGrady wrote:
Wizards don't have a penalty when they lose their spellbooks, they just have a bonus when they can access them.

Wizards not being able to use armor without spell penalty is an arbitrary rule that constrains people for no reason.

Two can play at that game. Where is my logical fallacy chart...


ciretose wrote:
MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
But you don't like its, so it's just a "legacy thing"...
Again with the misrepresenting. I didn't say its 'just a legacy thing' I did use the say it was a legacy gig several times though and gave examples of where you get small bonuses that don't restrict the class. Whether or not I like it has no weight in on the matter of it being in previous editions.
The implication of "legacy thing" was you surely meaning "A really amazing and treasured aspect of the game which should be honored"....
Bing Dictionary wrote:

Definition of legacy (n)

Bing Dictionary
leg·a·cy
[ léggəssee ]

1.bequest made in will: money or property that is left to somebody in a will
2.something from past: something that is handed down or remains from a previous generation or time
3.outdated or discontinued: associated with something that is outdated or discontinued

I meant definition 2 here.


ciretose wrote:
MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
What I'm hearing "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON THAT I DON'T LIKE!"
And that's not what people are saying at all.

They are saying that any weapon I pick should be able to be favored by the god enough to get the bonuses without me having to do anything else, because that is what I want it to be.

Many of them very angrily, with exclamation points.

But they didn't say "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON I DON'T LIKE!". In fact, many people want the restrictions made less to make it easier to be the person they want to be and follow the god they want to follow. There isn't an animosity towards the god so much as a genuine interest.


Cheapy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate everyone on surpassing the swashbuckler thread in posts.

Yay!!! XD

Well, i guess it will help to get the devs' attention. The warpriest really needs it, IMHO.

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So which one did you mean?

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MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
MrSin wrote:
ciretose wrote:
What I'm hearing "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON THAT I DON'T LIKE!"
And that's not what people are saying at all.

They are saying that any weapon I pick should be able to be favored by the god enough to get the bonuses without me having to do anything else, because that is what I want it to be.

Many of them very angrily, with exclamation points.

But they didn't say "HOW DARE THE GOD FAVOR A WEAPON I DON'T LIKE!". In fact, many people want the restrictions made less to make it easier to be the person they want to be and follow the god they want to follow. There isn't an animosity towards the god so much as a genuine interest.

I like Cayden, but all the drinking...

(I really hope someone points out the cleric archetype again so I can point out the penalty again...)


ciretose wrote:
So which one did you mean?

2, right under the quote. Its something that's from the past and here today. The game was backwards compatible with 3.5 and part of that is domains and favored weapon I'd assume. Whether I like them or not has nothing to do with them being legacy.

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