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We've posted a new version of the base set rulebook. Clicking on that link will download it for you. It's not "final"; for example, the metarules at the end are a slightly older version than the one we intend to include.
Feel free to use this if you like, and comment as desired. Thanks to everyone on these boards for helping clarify rules so that this version could be as good as it can be.
Mike
Miiiiike... I clicked on the link, and it didn't update the hard copy that came with the game. Can you fix it?
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Seriously though, thanks for the update and all the hard work you guys do for us, the players. :)
Miiiiike... I clicked on the link, and it didn't update the hard copy that came with the game. Can you fix it?
It did. It just didn't update your eyes.
Miiiiike... I clicked on the link, and it didn't update the hard copy that came with the game. Can you fix it?It did. It just didn't update your eyes.
Close your eyes and plug your nose while pressing F5.
Thanks for the updated rules. PACG is now officially coing off the shelf.
It is so much easier to start the rules afresh rather than having to refer and cross reference the FAQ.
It would be really great if you ammended the FAQ to remove all the rules related changes or split it into three sections :-
Section 1 - FAQ
Section 2 - Rules errata Digital edition (post 12 Nov Update)
Section 3 - Rule errata Physical edition (pre 12 Nov Update)
I hesitate to suggest a FAQ entry for the new rules
Under Explore ..... You may explore your location once per turn. Many effects allow you to explore again on your turn; if, during a single exploration, multiple effects each give you an....
Why say you may explore yur location once per turn and immediatly follow it whith examples that contradict this, Unless I am mis reading the Exploer rules.
My Understanding is :-
1. As per the first sentance "You may explore your location once each turn without playing a card that allows you to explore; this must be your first exploration for the turn"
2. During an exploration if you trigger effects that allow you to explore again , at the end of the current exploration you explore once more only.
3. You may play cards e.g. Blessings of the Gods that can be discarded to explore again.
This means that you could explore as per 1 above whic could trigger 2 to be followed by 3 which again could trigger 2 and again followed by 3...
Am I wrong ?
From my experience there is generally an option to explore twice and often to explore more that that , I do agree it is not practical to explore more than twice. However it is confusing to state in the main rules as a single sentance "You may explore your loation once per turn."
Perhaps this sentance should have been left out as it has no rule impact on the section.
If I understood your exploration comments correctly, you are correct. Characters can explore multiple times per turn, they just get one 'free' explore and this free one must be their first exploration.
The point of the "You may explore your location once per turn" sentence is stating that a part of your turn is a free explore, not to suggest that you are limited to 1. So it does have a rule impact, just not the impact you're expecting.
Would it perhaps make more sense to say:
"You may explore your location once per turn for free; this must be your first exploration, or it is forfeited. Many effects allow you to explore again on your turn; if, during a single exploration, multiple effects each give you an...."
(emphasis mine, text to be added)
I think this clarifies the issue St@rm@n is making, and also folds in the "you can't explore before your free explore" issue, since they are related and (at least to me) make sense in the same sentence.
@Flat the Impaler.
That is taken care of in the first sentance. Its repetition further on and then immediatly contradicted is my point.
The second iteration is redundant , confusing and wrong.
I knew I should have looked up the full text.
Explore: You may explore your location once each turn without playing a card that allows you to explore; this must be your first exploration for the turn. When you explore, flip over the top card of your current location deck. If it’s a boon, you may attempt to acquire it; if you don’t, banish it. If it’s a bane, you must try to defeat it. (See Encountering a Card on page 10.)You may explore your location once per turn.Many effects allow you to explore again on your turn; if, during a single exploration, multiple effects each give you an ...
Given the full paragraph, I agree that that sentence doesn't belong (struck above).
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Yeah, the new first sentence in that paragraph does remove the need for it.
I've updated the FAQ Resolution for that question.
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So, to clarify (this actually happened in a game last night): if I begin my turn at the General Store and (before I take my first exploration) use Detect Magic, find a spell and choose to encounter it, I either cannot take advantage of the General Store's ability to "explore again" if I didn't encounter a weapon, armor or item because I haven't already explored once and thus the "again" clause isn't met, or I can use it but if I do then I have forfeited my free exploration because it is no longer my "first exploration of the turn" - is that correct?
So, to clarify (this actually happened in a game last night): if I begin my turn at the General Store and (before I take my first exploration) use Detect Magic, find a spell and choose to encounter it, I either cannot take advantage of the General Store's ability to "explore again" if I didn't encounter a weapon, armor or item because I haven't already explored once and thus the "again" clause isn't met, or I can use it but if I do then I have forfeited my free exploration because it is no longer my "first exploration of the turn" - is that correct?
I think the reason general store doesn't trigger on Detect Magic is because DM doesn't actually say explore on it. It's in the FAQ actually. It's in "I'm just generally unclear about a lot of things. Can you help?" under "If It Isn’t Called Something, It Isn’t That Thing.".
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So, to clarify (this actually happened in a game last night): if I begin my turn at the General Store and (before I take my first exploration) use Detect Magic, find a spell and choose to encounter it, I either cannot take advantage of the General Store's ability to "explore again" if I didn't encounter a weapon, armor or item because I haven't already explored once and thus the "again" clause isn't met, or I can use it but if I do then I have forfeited my free exploration because it is no longer my "first exploration of the turn" - is that correct?I think the reason general store doesn't trigger on Detect Magic is because DM doesn't actually say explore on it. It's in the FAQ actually. It's in "I'm just generally unclear about a lot of things. Can you help?" under "If It Isn’t Called Something, It Isn’t That Thing.".
Hm. That's probably true, but if so then the Store could use an errata. Here's the Store's text:
If you encounter anything other than an armor, an item, or a weapon, after the exploration you may explore again.
The store says "after the exploration" but doesn't actually say "when you explore" or anything to that effect - just "If you encounter," which is exactly what Detect Magic does ("you may immediately encounter it"). The General Store seems to be written with the assumption that only exploration would result in an encounter, and that's obviously not the case.
I think it makes sense as is. If you didn't explore, then there is no "after the exploration" in which "you may explore again."
It's like specifying that armors reduce combat damage when you take combat damage.
Can I be a dissenting voice and say that distributing PDF files by means of a zip archive is evil? Zipping an already compressed PDF makes little or no saving of bytes, it introduces an extra step that the user has to perform (unzipping) and some of us use devices (such as iPads) which don't natively support zip files (requiring the use of third party apps and introducing even more steps to perform).
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When we first started selling PDFs, all single-document PDFs were provided as unzipped files, and it caused a lot of headaches. People would click the link expecting it to initiate a download, but it would instead open using their browser's PDF renderer. Many people wouldn't know what to do at that point, and it was hard to advise them, as the answer differed depending on their OS, browser, and (in some cases) the PDF-viewing plug-in they had installed. Zipping *everything* removed a lot of customer service issues.
By the way, many iPad apps, such as GoodReader, deal with zipped PDFs just fine. (I hope Apple makes Safari smarter about them soon...)