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Alchemical cartridges are expensive, we know that. In PFS, players are allowed buy a single 'item' worth up to 750gp once each session/chronicle sheet. Ranged characters can buy a nice bow early on, most armor wearers can get a nice suit of armor, anyone can buy level 1 wands, casters can get multiple counts of the same spell on a single scroll, and gunslinger can purchase with 2PP ONE ALCHEMICAL CARTRIDGE! As we all know, ammunition for musket weilding gunslingers is rather expensive if we would like to fire every round, which equates to our most expensive utility/maintenance/materials cost. All because alchemical cartridges are sold in 'lots' of 1.
I know fantasy world and real world don't have to correlate (especially if you bring up dragons and pixies) but when it comes to weapons pretty much every one of them were invented in the real world and then used/introduced into fantasy settings. Having said that, how many hunting/gunshop stores have you walked into that's setup for you to buy a single bullet or cartridge? You buy them in boxes. Metal casing cartridges normally come in a box of 20, shot gun shells, which alchemical cartridges most resemble, come in boxes of 25. So what gunslinger walks into the local trading store and asks for one bullet?
Gunslinger: Excuse me kind shop keep, can I please barter for a couple of those pistols, one of them double-barreled muskets, a 20-round bandolier, oh and 1 silver alchemical cartridge, 1 cold iron alchemical cartridge, and 3 of your standard cartridges please. Thanks. What's that? Oh, I'm going to do a little demon hunting today and I may have a shoot out at high none and these cartridges will come in handy. I'm getting a couple extra of the standard ones you know because the high noon shootout is a fast draw contest and I have a tendency to miss the first shot or two before my nerves calm enough to plink him in the eye, or her, equal opportunity killer you know. Ridiculous right?
Whew, ok, my puter is out of ink now, think I'll go down to Wal-Mart and buy 1 lot to replace, hope they come in lots larger than 1 key stroke's worth of ink:(
I posted this earlier in the Society page but they said I should come here when asking for rule changes. So please change all your rule books to allow alchemical cartridges to be bought in lots of 25 and/or 50 so that Society players can utilize prestige points economically (remember this ain't no freebie cause storing those PP's up for resurrections is a good thang, or purchasing wands, potions of fly, etc).
If you have a gunslinger then you have Gunsmithing which allows you to craft alchemical cartridges at half cost. You do not buy them (as long as you have one rank in craft(alchemy)).
Am I missing something? I've never used prestige points before.
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Am I missing something? I've never used prestige points before.
This is concerning Pathfinder Society, and doesn't really belong in the general Rules Forum. For anyone that doesn't do organized play, this question has no bearing.
Edenwaith received an answer in the PFS forum that he didn't like, so he came here to petition for a change (just to give some background to this post).
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Edenwaith received an answer in the PFS forum that he didn't likeJust read that thread, the answer came from Mike Brock. I don't know who he is going to try to escalate to above the top.
Easy, the reason the ruling went the way it did because of the rules in the core books. Posters stated the only way to change it for PFS is have the core rules changed to increase lot size. So here I am.
If they had said "The only way we'll change it is if Barack Obama personally authorizes it", would you be on the White House steps? : /
Maybe you can get a 750gp gemstone, sell it, and buy ammo. Barring that, get a 750gp magic item, sell that, and buy half as much ammo. Better than nothing.
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The rules for what you can buy with prestige points is "an item up to 150gp/750gp", so the same argument you're trying to make applies with trying to buy a single 1cp torch for 1 or 2PP.
Developers won't change the rule just because we don't like that it's not sold as a set and can't buy it with prestige - that's an extremely weak argument. Even if you consider the arrow comparison, it clearly doesn't hold water considering the rarity of the item (and likely even if you don't consider the rarity of the item).
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Easy, the reason the ruling went the way it did because of the rules in the core books.
You are going to be disappointed, because you are not going to effect a change and you are going to be waiting a long time with no response. So chill and buy the ammo.
Maybe you can get a 750gp gemstone, sell it
PP purchased items sell for 0 gp.
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If they had said "The only way we'll change it is if Barack Obama personally authorizes it", would you be on the White House steps? : /
Maybe you can get a 750gp gemstone, sell it, and buy ammo. Barring that, get a 750gp magic item, sell that, and buy half as much ammo. Better than nothing.
You think President's haven't been protested? Here's a link with various protests on Washington DC many of which changed history, and for the better. Protesting the Establishment
The only real form of effective "protest" you have against a private company that has clearly come out and said they aren't doing things the way you like it is... not buying from them.
They don't have to worry about votes, unlike politicians.
Especially given that there seem to be a number of other players who would NOT want what you want implemented.
-j
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It's 6 GP for an Alchemical Paper Cartridge in PFS, at low levels that's completely feasible. When you get Rapid Shot/High BAB and you're using 3-5 shots a round I get it, even then at that level you should have a large amount of gold. Why spend PP on it?
Season five that's why. Lots and lots of cold iron cartridges, which double the cost. Archers can get 50 cold iron arrows for a whopping 10gp. Basically, every class can get their favorite weapons in cold iron for super cheap, every class but gunslinger that is. Also, prestige is at its most valuable when spent on 750gp items. Masterwork Cold Iron Alchemical Cartridges = 1500gp/2 = 750gp = 2PP. It's ok, I don't care anymore. I went the wand abundant ammunition route and hang back out of site for a round while the rest of the party catches the usual first round baddie spells and BBEG determining who the most dangerous character is. This has the side effect of increasing my survivability:)