Half-Elf and Half-Orc Question


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Shadow Lodge 3/5

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So I know there was a semi-ruling earlier where you needed to be the respective race to purchase items from it as well as pick spells, traits, feats, archetypes, etc. Then I stumbled on an updated ruling that says this. Essentially reversing the earlier ruling to make things make more sense and to address any weird questions or discrepancies. So do Half-Elves and Half-Orcs get some love now? lol

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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If whatever you want is from the ARG you still must be the appropriate race. Half-bloods do not qualify.

Unless you want a Favored Class Bonus.

This is a PFS "houserule".

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Wow, damn that's harsh... I would think the new FAQ rule would trump it since that PFS "houserule" was created a while ago. So if a Pathfinder FAQ conflicts with a PFS, regardless of how new it is, then the PFS stands? I'm wondering if the PFS group is aware of the updated FAQ in this instance, given how significant a departure it is from core Pathfinder now.


That ruling is quite new, so it is possible that PFS hasn't had a chance to review and decide how it will operate in PFS. But until that time, Nefreet got it.

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PFS leadership are aware of the FAQ, and are considering it, so says John in this thread.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

I concur, although I think I'll FAQ it and see if we can get a possible updating ruling from the PFS powers-that-be. I understand why they did what they did to begin with (especially locking down ARG stuff, good call), but given that one of the core parts of being a Half-Elf or Half-Orc is the whole dual ancestry thing it seems kinda harsh to invalidate it when core Pathfinder has effectively validated it.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Adam Mogyorodi wrote:
PFS leadership are aware of the FAQ, and are considering it, so says John in this thread.

Hah, ah good to know! Thanks! :-)

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Has there been a PFS ruling on this yet? Haven't seen anything, thing it got lost in the hubbub of the new classes.


And to be fair they aren't exactly sure where they are going to stand on Favored Classes, as issued in this thread: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q9f7?The-ARG-race-restriction-and-favored-clas s#18. So you may build a half race with FC bonuses and get hit with the nerf bat.

I was waiting until tomorrow, after the holiday, to start harassing them again. Personally I hope they allow it, as I'd like to see more half races, and the outsider races have so much more going for them than opening up these few options to Half races.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber
Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
Fixed your link for you.

Grand Lodge

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Felix Gaunt wrote:
Wow, damn that's harsh... I would think the new FAQ rule would trump it since that PFS "houserule" was created a while ago. So if a Pathfinder FAQ conflicts with a PFS, regardless of how new it is, then the PFS stands? I'm wondering if the PFS group is aware of the updated FAQ in this instance, given how significant a departure it is from core Pathfinder now.

Local campaign setting trumps general rules.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Well guess we'll wait for the powers-that-be to return and get their take on things. If the class option thing is holding them up I'd just scrap that aspect if it makes things easier. Although the only one that I've heard concern about is the Elven Oracle one, and honestly I'm not sure how big a deal it is to have an Half-Elf Oracle instead of say an Elf or Aasimar one...

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Felix Gaunt wrote:
Well guess we'll wait for the powers-that-be to return and get their take on things. If the class option thing is holding them up I'd just scrap that aspect if it makes things easier. Although the only one that I've heard concern about is the Elven Oracle one, and honestly I'm not sure how big a deal it is to have an Half-Elf Oracle instead of say an Elf or Aasimar one...

A half elf Ancient Lorekeeper w/ancestors mystery might have a distinctly different feel than a pure elf with the same combo without being mechanically much more powerful.

I'd say that is an arguement for allowing it rather than disallowing it.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Pure Elves and Aasimars don't have access to Paragon Surge.

I think allowing Half-elves to take Elven/Human FCBs will lend more racial diversity to an Aasimar-heavy playing field.


Nefreet wrote:

Pure Elves and Aasimars don't have access to Paragon Surge.

I think allowing Half-elves to take Elven/Human FCBs will lend more racial diversity to an Aasimar-heavy playing field.

Agreed!

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Sooooo, what is the deal with this? Someone said PFS finally got on board with regular PF and half-elves could now take elf (and human) archetypes, traits, feats, spells, items, etc. But I've poured over the forums and FAQ for PFS and haven't found this definitively mentioned as the case by a Dev. If it IS the case can the Dev's please update the PFS FAQ and indicate as such?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

HERE you go.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

Yeah I read that already, but it only mentions favored class. Says nothing about feats, traits, spells, items, etc. Why is it so hard for PFS to spell things out clearly? Can't they just say that the rules in PF (see the link in the first post) apply now? I read that entire thread and no Dev came out and clearly stated that, everyone seemed super fixated on the the Oracle FCB thing. Can I as a Half-Elf take the Blend spell, that's the kind of question I'm looking for an answer on. Can I become that Magus archetype that's Elf only. Etc, etc.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

We already have that answer, hence why nobody was asking the question.

Additional Resources wrote:
Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race.

In fact, I quoted this in the first post of the thread I linked above.

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It should also be noted that this only applies to the ARG. If there is an elf or orc-only archetype or other choice available through another source, such as Elves/Orcs of Golarion or the Advanced Player's Guide, you can select it as a halfbreed.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Indeed. Even though it's already been mentioned in this thread, and in the one linked, it bears repeating. Multiple times.

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