Paying an NPC for Spellbook Access


Pathfinder Society

Shadow Lodge

I have been under the assumption that the paragraph from pg. 219 CRB that states

In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of
copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually
equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see
Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique
spells might cost significantly more.

is 100% RAW and Viable ... however .. when I was in a game today I started having second thoughts ... I don't want to jump into anything illegal so I'm hoping someone from campaign staff can answer this for me

is purchasing Access to an NPC's spellbook for 1/2 ink Cost and then scribing it to your own spellbook for Ink Cost legal... I have looked through the Organized play guide .. and I SWEAR I found it once ... but I now cant find it

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psssst... Check the FAQ... ;)

Shadow Lodge

Jiggy wrote:
psssst... Check the FAQ... ;)

I did ... but maybe its just lack of sleep or Coffee but I cannot Find it .... I know about the one saying PC's can Access each other spellbooks ... but the NPC Aspect is Hiding from me

Shadow Lodge

ANNNNNND Im Blind

Liberty's Edge

Wraith235 wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
psssst... Check the FAQ... ;)

I did ... but maybe its just lack of sleep or Coffee but I cannot Find it .... I know about the one saying PC's can Access each other spellbooks ... but the NPC Aspect is Hiding from me

The very last sentence of the question regarding PCs answers your question. It is very poorly placed in the FAQ.

Shadow Lodge

no ... my brain just misfired due to lack of Coffee

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From the PFS FAQ:

"With either method, the GM should sign off on the spells gained (after witnessing successful skill checks) on affected players' chronicle sheets. All other methods of gaining new spells (such as by gaining a level or purchasing access to an NPC's spellbook) function as described in the Core Rulebook and relevant class descriptions.

In the rare instance of a wizard charging a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks, this fee is equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells do not change the fee in PFS."

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wow... I can see listing this as a Profession for Day Job rolls...

Not sure what the Profession would be though... some type of scribe - but one that just sells access to a book of spells, so that other people can copy from it. I have a Rogue/wizard (one level of wizard) who already has a very extensive spell book. It would make sense that he could charge NPCs to access his book... and that would be represented by his Day job rolls. So he'd be a what? Profession: Spell Book Owner?

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nosig wrote:

wow... I can see listing this as a Profession for Day Job rolls...

Not sure what the Profession would be though... some type of scribe - but one that just sells access to a book of spells, so that other people can copy from it.

"Spellwhore".

In more polite society, "arcane courtesan".

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Jiggy wrote:
nosig wrote:

wow... I can see listing this as a Profession for Day Job rolls...

Not sure what the Profession would be though... some type of scribe - but one that just sells access to a book of spells, so that other people can copy from it.

"Spellwhore".

In more polite society, "arcane courtesan".

ah... maybe "Spell pimp"? or "Spellbook Manager"?


Profession (Scribe). The rest is just flavour text.

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Bigrin da Troll wrote:
Profession (Scribe). The rest is just flavour text.

But he would not actually be doing anything that Scribes are expected to be doing. He's not actually writing... he's just actually OWNING and Managing...

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Profession (Librarian), but you have to change your PC's name to Marian, the Librarian. ;)

Silver Crusade

Spell pimp sounds best to me.

Shadow Lodge

no ... Nethys is the pimp ... get it Right


It is essentially the same thing as buying a spellbook with spells in it, then selling the spellbook back when you are done with it. The 1/2 inscription cost is just a simplified, more direct way of determining the cost of that transaction.

Does this part "Players are welcome to exchange spells with each other during an adventure."

Plus this part "In the rare instance of a wizard charging a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks, this fee is equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook"

Allow players to charge other players for spellbook access? Kinda seems to... Not that you'd really even need to do so, because it could be purchased from a NPC anyway.

Shadow Lodge

Are other players NPCs? There's your answer.

Grand Lodge

Actually, this is your Library rental fee. You work for the Pathfinder Society for Abadar's sake. :D

You work for the Smithsonian, the Louvre and the Vatican, all rolled into one. You don't get your spells from some crooked wizard, down a dark alley, who might give you a cursed copy. You get yours the same place, same as every other Pathfinder. From verified, safe books in the Grand Lodge, quite possibly the greatest library on all of Golarion all at your disposal for a nominal fee. The fee is for using the books and Ambrus Valsin has to pay his librarians and doesn't want their costs coming out of his yearly budget.

P.S. I had this pointed out to me by a VL just this Thursday. So if I sound cocky, I'm not. I didn't put two and two together either until someone spelled it out for me 4 days ago. LOL

The Exchange

If that is the case then the Society is putting an unfair fee on wizards in the guild. Pathfinders collect huge amounts of lore from around Galarion and the spellbooks that are made available to wizards make up only a small portion of the text stored. In fact the available spells can be stored in only a few thousand pages. The Society should stop subsidizing the maintenance of our knowledge with these unjust fees.

Further more, it is in the interest of the Society to subsidize the distribution of some spells amongst the Society's learned casters. Every pathfinder who asks should be given access to the spell Comprehend Languages and the appropriate inks to scribe their own copy. The Society currently would rather hand a group of Pathfinders a scroll or potion of water breathing than provide a wizard access to the library and free scribing material for the spell, which would cost a fraction of the price.

Thank you for your time,

Coach Sigi

Gelatinous Cubes Bloodpig Team

Grand Lodge

The scribing cost is the same. You have to pay for your own inks and all that.

The cost of copying is the cost of books being damaged and being maintained in a proper setting and paying wizards to make sure that none of them are cursed. So, the inscription of a lvl. 1 spell costs 10gp. And you get charged an extra 5gp for having the right books to get access to. You could get the same access from an NPC wizard but maybe that wizard might wish to enthrall you or curse you. No such danger in the Grand Library.

Also, as Pathfinders, we get paid plenty. If you can't afford to cough up a few gold to maintain the Library then try buying your spells from an NPC.

Or you can do it the old fashioned way and capture a spell book from a wizard while on mission and then you don't have to pay the copying costs. Try the Haunting of Hinojai, I did it this Thursday and I'm not paying the copying costs.

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Sigi,
I would argue that the price that they charge is extremely reasonable, given that the other way of learning new spells is to buy a scroll, and then pay the scribing costs (assuming you don't find a spell book, and you aren't adventuring with a PC you can copy from).

3rd level spell scroll: 375gp + 90gp = 465gp
Copy 3rd level spell => 135gp.

BARGAIN!

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Angelo Gaius wrote:

Sigi,

I would argue that the price that they charge is extremely reasonable, given that the other way of learning new spells is to buy a scroll, and then pay the scribing costs (assuming you don't find a spell book, and you aren't adventuring with a PC you can copy from).

3rd level spell scroll: 375gp + 90gp = 465gp
Copy 3rd level spell => 135gp.

BARGAIN!

The difference gets even bigger when you look at spells with expensive material components. :/

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