Mirror Strike and Effects other than damage?


Rules Questions


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Ok. So, any damage roll is split in half, that much is clear. But what about riders on the attack that trigger on a hit.

Say (an example from a scenario) there was an undead magus ghoul/ghast, and he used the Mirror Strike spell, after the damage was split between the two targets, do both of them have to save vs paralysis?

If it was a Monk/caster with scorpion style, after the damage was split, would they both have to save or have reduced movement?

If it was an Eldritch Knight with Shield-Slam, would they both be subject to the bull rush?

(I'm trying to cover all types of riders, so that it doesn't get bogged down in a single class/ability discussion. This should be a consistent ruling no matter what the rider is. EDIT *unless they specify first target creature like poisoned weapons)


No one has any opinion? For reference

Mirror Strike wrote:

School transmutation; Level magus 1, sorcerer/wizard 1

Casting Time 1 standard action

Components V, S, M (a shard of mirror)

Range personal

Target you

Duration see text

You briefly alter the flow of time to split a melee attack into two attacks. Before the end of your next turn, when you make your next melee attack roll, compare the result to the AC of two opponents within your reach. If the selected opponents are flanking you, you gain a +2 bonus on your attack roll (and confirmation attack roll, see below). If you hit both enemies, you can deal half damage to each. Hitting only one opponent allows you to deal that opponent normal damage for your attack. On a critical threat, you can make only one attack roll to confirm the critical hit against both opponents. If you confirm against both, you deal half your critical hit damage to each. Your hit is a normal hit rather than a critical if you confirm against only one opponent. If you fail to use the effect before the end of your next turn, the spell ends.


Wow. Here I am in the same place where people regularly debate what the definition of "is" is...

and nothing on this?


FAQed

It's never come up in my game. I really don't see the benefit of mirror strike.

Why waste an attack roll to get an attack roll next turn that splits evenly amongst 2 opponents? Sure you get +2 to hit (and confirm) IF they flank you. In order to gain that you either gave to start between them (possibly provoking AoO, or casting defensively) or cast and hope next round you can move to a desired position (likely provoking AoO or requiring acrobatic movement).

Just take a single attack this round and a single attack next round, splitting them if you like. You have approximately the same chance of hitting (slightly less) but will average twice as much damage.

The additional +2 to hit is highly circumstantial at best.

Maybe mirror strike was intended to use as you suggest.


I was just wanting other opinions...

I thought that because in situations where you are immune to the damage you are immune to the rider, that it would stand to reason that if you take the damage you also get the rider.


I see no other point in the spell if riders effect don't trigger on both target.

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