Robe of Components Exploit - Money Pun-Pin


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Hello,

I came across an infinite money loop, which is slow to start but potentially substantial. I'd like a second opinion on whether this should be considered an exploit, and a heads up if I'm just rehashing old news. In case it this is new, I have included a suggestion for an errata fix which could eliminate this money loop.

This requires access to a Robe of Components (5000g), Two pearls of Power (1st) (2000g), time, and the Bless/Curse Water spell (1st Level Divine Caster such as a Cleric) to begin. This is a looping exploit. This can also be done with Continual Flame to lesser effect by Arcane casters, and Masterwork Transformation to far lesser effect due to casting time.

The Robe of Components allows the generation of 50g worth of spell components per day, effectively for free. This can be used to pay for the cost of creating Holy Water (25g) twice in a day, per pair of Robes. Using the Pearls of Power, you can refresh the spells and sell the resulting Holy Water for a 25g profit.

If allowed to do this 280 times (A little under a year), you end up making back your initial investment. If you do this 365 times (a year), you end up with 2125g profit. Best of all, it only took you maybe three rounds of your time a day. A modest profit for a year's time.

Lets say you'd like to do this more than once. You buy an extra robe, some extra pearls, and do the cycle twice each day with a short wardrobe change. Lets say the wardrobe change takes you five rounds, leaving you under a minute per casting cycle of your magical money water. So 50g a day, not too shabby.

Now lets get crazy, have you do this sixty times in an hour, 1500g a day. Lets have you do it eight hours a day, full time crafty,
12000g a day. I'm not even using anything that would extend the crafting time in the day at this point, of which there are several options. You're now effectively doing this routine 480 times a day, generating 960 flasks of holy or unholy water. Your modest 2125g profit for doing this a year has increased to 1,020,000g. That is profit, after paying off the materials. You're now officially a millionaire. This cycle can be started with as little as 5k investment, using your own spell slots instead of pearls of power. It takes time, to be sure, but if you're given that time this just gets sillier and sillier.

But wait, that isn't enough money generation per year? You want more? Well, introduce the Leadership feat and have an army of divine followers who assist in this as part of their duties. You'll turn the oceans to magic money water by the time you're done.

Potential Errata Fix: Any items created or enhanced using materials from Robes of Components lose their special properties if sold or given away.

Thank you for your time in reading this, and any feedback.


Given how much more effectively you can make money selling non-component spellcasting services, I guess I don't immediately care.


One guy doing it for a bit over 2k a year? Hardly broken, let him do it.

A whole bunch of guys somehow getting a whole bunch of the same item and selling infinite quantities of holy water with no reduction in price? Economics does not work that way.

It's only a problem if the DM is foolish enough to let it be, like blood money, fabricate, masterwork transformation, and all the other "broken" spells.


Selerik wrote:

A modest profit for a year's time.

If you're selling, then someone has to be buying.

And if you want, there is a feat that would allow you to do this for the price of a holy symbol (up to 100gp).

-James


james maissen wrote:
Selerik wrote:

A modest profit for a year's time.

If you're selling, then someone has to be buying.

And if you want, there is a feat that would allow you to do this for the price of a holy symbol (up to 100gp).

-James

Which feat is that? And does it have the same loop potential?


Suddenly, the price of holy water tanks, and no one wants it anymore.

In other news, it would still only pay for itself after 280 days

james maissen wrote:


-James

Just outta curiosity, why do people sign their name at the bottom when using forums? Not like hey have their name just above the post?


I agree with both Ipslore the Red and Renen. To let this be done without diminishing returns would be rather silly on the DM's part. Still, silly DMs happen. I thought it best to toss it out here with an easy change to the item that could eliminate it, just in case.

Thanks again for all your feedback.


Selerik wrote:

Hello,

I came across an infinite money loop [...] I'd like a second opinion on whether this should be considered an exploit

*snip*

Seriously? You think there's any chance the devs' intent in making the Robe of Components was to make a way for you to become a well-off holy water dealer?

Quote:
This is a looping exploit

I guess that answers both of our questions.


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Selerik wrote:
james maissen wrote:
Selerik wrote:

A modest profit for a year's time.

If you're selling, then someone has to be buying.

And if you want, there is a feat that would allow you to do this for the price of a holy symbol (up to 100gp).

-James

Which feat is that? And does it have the same loop potential?

False Focus, which requires arcane spellcasting as a pre-req.

So yeah, its a lot more cost effective than buying multiple robes, just one feat and a 50gp for a holy symbol. Cast as many Continual Flames as you want in the day for free.


You're right, that lets you pull off the loop far more easily and cheaply. Just need the pearls of power to assembly-line it with that feat.


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And the pearls of power aren't exactly a game-changer, you're already able to cast 5+ per day at any reasonable level. Basically, I don't even remotely see how they matter; just have a sorcerer with false focus spam continual light, or have an oracle spam holy water with the robe.


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seebs wrote:
And the pearls of power aren't exactly a game-changer, you're already able to cast 5+ per day at any reasonable level. Basically, I don't even remotely see how they matter; just have a sorcerer with false focus spam continual light, or have an oracle spam holy water with the robe.

Its 5+ a day vs 500+ a day. You don't stop with the slots you have, you stop when there is no time left in the day.

Since this makes money, and you can use pearls of power to let you do it more often, you use it to buy more pearls or power so you can cast more spells to make more money to buy more pearls of power.. The only upper limit without the DM stepping in is time in the day.


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Bi** please...
1)teleport to a plane with slow moving time.
2) Craft there for years
3) come back on the day after you left to sell stuff.
4) ???
5) profit

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You could also just use the robe to cast spells with expensive components. That way, you get to save $50 gp per day! In just 100 days, you'll earn back the price you paid for that robe! (Not that it matters, because the GM sticks to wealth by level)
On top of that, you actually get to use the pearls of power for things like adventuring, so you don't have to waste any spellslots!


Looping exploits work in console and PC games because there is no GM.

Looping exploits don't (normally) work in a tabletop game because there is a GM.

The major dependency of your exploit here isn't the robes or the pearls or power - it's time. And the majority of GMs probably aren't going to let you sit around for a year's time in-game to do this (or, if they do, they'll use the UCamp downtime rules, in which case the fairly minuscule profits you'd earn through the exploit wouldn't really be worth it compared to what else you could be doing with your time).

I don't really believe there's any errata or FAQ needed here. If you could turn such a profit in a reasonable amount of time - say, a week or two - then it might be troublesome, but as it stands, the year's time to turn your 'profit' doesn't merit it.


Renen wrote:

Suddenly, the price of holy water tanks, and no one wants it anymore.

In other news, it would still only pay for itself after 280 days

james maissen wrote:


-James
Just outta curiosity, why do people sign their name at the bottom when using forums? Not like hey have their name just above the post?

I sign it as a matter of habit in all types of communication. Not all of them have my name so prominently displayed.

- Gauss


Selerik wrote:
seebs wrote:
And the pearls of power aren't exactly a game-changer, you're already able to cast 5+ per day at any reasonable level. Basically, I don't even remotely see how they matter; just have a sorcerer with false focus spam continual light, or have an oracle spam holy water with the robe.

Its 5+ a day vs 500+ a day. You don't stop with the slots you have, you stop when there is no time left in the day.

Since this makes money, and you can use pearls of power to let you do it more often, you use it to buy more pearls or power so you can cast more spells to make more money to buy more pearls of power.. The only upper limit without the DM stepping in is time in the day.

I suppose, in principle, you could have hundreds of pearls. I was just looking at the original description which only had two pearls... Oh, I see. Two per pair of robes.

Not really feeling it, though. Seriously, by the end of a year of adventuring, you can make a heck of a lot more money than that, in general.


This is... pretty underwhelming. I was hoping for something grand, like the Wish Economy.


This money loophole works only for so long.
1. market, there wont be a market voor swimming pools full of holy water, of everburning torches.
2. Gods dont like to be exploited for profit
3. Kings demant lots of taxes of people making lots of money
4. Guild might not like what you are doing
5. Most people might distrust magic and not buy the stuff you are selling
6. The Curch of abbadar wont like you monopolising the market
7. a magic selling permit will grow more and more expensive


Unless setting is zombie survival horror where everyone needs gallons of holy water to repel massive undead attacks that occur every night you will not go far selling that holy water.


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I have a money loophole that I use in real life:

  • I go to a place called "work" and I type at a computer for 8 hours a day.
  • Every two weeks, I receive a paycheque.
  • Repeat ad nauseam for INFINITE MONEY!


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    hogarth wrote:

    I have a money loophole that I use in real life:

  • I go to a place called "work" and I type at a computer for 8 hours a day.
  • Every two weeks, I receive a paycheque.
  • Repeat ad nauseam for INFINITE MONEY!
  • Don't worry. With the global economy the way it is I hear these "work" loopholes are being closed rapidly.

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