The Morphling |
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So, I've heard from a few sources that a Wizard (or a character with Eldritch Heritage (Arcane)) who has an Arcane Bond can enchant their Bonded Object in Pathfinder Society, as though they had the appropriate item crafting feats.
Here's my questions:
1. Is this true? Can a PFS Wizard pick an item out of the rulebooks and just get it for half price?
2. Based on the following quote...
A wizard can designate an existing magic item as his bonded item. This functions in the same way as replacing a lost or destroyed item except that the new magic item retains its abilities while gaining the benefits and drawbacks of becoming a bonded item.
Could a multiclass PFS wizard/bladebound magus (or a magus with Eldritch Heritage (Arcane)) designate his Black Blade as his bonded object, and add additional enchantments to it (at half of the normal upgrade price, I would assume)?
The Morphling |
Nope, but now I have and it answered my questions.
Here's the answer I found, if anyone else reading this thread is curious.
New question:
3. Eldritch Heritage gives you the Arcane Bond ability, treating your sorcerer level (and thus your wizard level) as your character level -2. Does the Arcane Bond's requirement that the wizard meet the level requirements of the crafting feats refer to wizard level or to character level?
(Does a 5th level Magus have the ability to duplicate Craft Magic Arms and Armor, since his effective Wizard level is 3, and Craft Magic Arms and Armor requires level 5?)
RtrnofdMax |
You can upgrade your item for the cost of crafting (but you still can't craft). The examples given are making your bonded ring a ring of protection +1 or giving a dagger a +1 enhancement bonus.
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Now I am going to hijack a bit.
A Hellknight Signifier gets a mask that he can make his Arcane Bond for 500GP. It takes the Head slot. Could this mask then be enchanted into a Circlet of Persuasion since it too is a head slot item?
Jiggy RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
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3. Eldritch Heritage gives you the Arcane Bond ability, treating your sorcerer level (and thus your wizard level) as your character level -2. Does the Arcane Bond's requirement that the wizard meet the level requirements of the crafting feats refer to wizard level or to character level?
Hmm... Let's investigate!
Prerequisite: Caster level 3rd.
A wizard can add additional magic abilities to his bonded object ... if he meets the level prerequisites of the feat. For example, a wizard with a bonded dagger must be at least 5th level to add magic abilities to the dagger (see the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat in Feats).
Not entirely clear... On the one hand, class abilities referring to "level" usually mean "class level in THIS class". On the other hand, it refers to "the level prerequisites of the feat", which are caster level, not any particular class level.
It would seem really weird to think that a given PC could qualify for the feat but not be able to make use of it for his Arcane Bond ability.
Also, let's compare to a multiclassed wizard instead of a non-wizard with Eldritch Heritage. Say we've got a Fighter1/Wizard1/EK1 with Magical Knack and a bonded item. He only has one wizard level, but has CL3. He qualifies for Craft Wondrous Item. Can he upgrade his bonded item into a wondrous item or not? It would seem to me that the answer to one will be the same as the answer to the other.
I feel like this might be a case of the "specific" (emulating feats with CL prereqs) trumps the "general" (level-dependent class features care about class level), because otherwise you get weird crap where a PC who (outside of PFS) could upgrade their arcane bond using the actual feat even though they couldn't do so using the arcane bond class feature. That just seems wrong.
My opinion: it's fuzzy, but I'm on the side of "use your actual caster level". YMMV.
kinevon |
LazarX |
You can't enchant an object via arcane bond if it can't be enchanted normally.
The Black Blade is one such beast. You also can't arcane bond with an black blade because..
1... It's bonded to you already.
2... It's not a normal masterwork weapon. it's pretty much outside standard item classfications despite the fact that to anyone else it operates only as a masterwork weapon. So it's not even a valid target for standard enchantment.
LazarX |
Not entirely clear... On the one hand, class abilities referring to "level" usually mean "class level in THIS class". On the other hand, it refers to "the level prerequisites of the feat", which are caster level, not any particular class level.
Caster levels of multiple base classes do not stack.
A Magus1/Bard1/Sorcerer1/Wizard1/Oracle1/Druid1 still has a caster level of ONE.
kinevon |
Jiggy wrote:Not entirely clear... On the one hand, class abilities referring to "level" usually mean "class level in THIS class". On the other hand, it refers to "the level prerequisites of the feat", which are caster level, not any particular class level.Caster levels of multiple base classes do not stack.
A Magus1/Bard1/Sorcerer1/Wizard1/Oracle1/Druid1 still has a caster level of ONE.
But if they were an Aasimar, wouldn't their caster level for their SLA be 6th?
Jiggy RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
Jiggy wrote:Not entirely clear... On the one hand, class abilities referring to "level" usually mean "class level in THIS class". On the other hand, it refers to "the level prerequisites of the feat", which are caster level, not any particular class level.Caster levels of multiple base classes do not stack.
A Magus1/Bard1/Sorcerer1/Wizard1/Oracle1/Druid1 still has a caster level of ONE.
That is a true statement. However, its relevance to the question at hand escapes me.
The Fox |
LazarX wrote:That is a true statement. However, its relevance to the question at hand escapes me.Jiggy wrote:Not entirely clear... On the one hand, class abilities referring to "level" usually mean "class level in THIS class". On the other hand, it refers to "the level prerequisites of the feat", which are caster level, not any particular class level.Caster levels of multiple base classes do not stack.
A Magus1/Bard1/Sorcerer1/Wizard1/Oracle1/Druid1 still has a caster level of ONE.
I believe he was referring to your Ftr 1 / Wiz 1 / EK 1 example. I further believe he missed your mention of Magical Knack.