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If someone isn't loaded with armor and weapons, chances are they're going to fireball your ass to high Hell. Even worse if they start stat-buffing the heavy, slow fighter. Think of a light soldier with a rocket launcher- weaker, but much more dangerous.
And of course, the blitzkrieg was effective for a reason.
Then again, taking out the seemingly weakest opponent on the field is always a fine strategy.works for animals in desperate need for an easy meal
but i think intelligent humanoids, would logically ignore the weakest opponent because their efforts aren't worth much, and target/gang up on the bigger threats because those weaklings are easy to ignore
would you rather kill the guy who does next to no damage and has mostly supportive effects you barely notice?
or would you rather quickly take out the guy who drops one of your allies each round before you lose more allies.
i'd take out the latter personally
taking out the force multiplier does little change to a fight compared to taking out the big hulking brutes whose forces are being multiplied
I believe the mantra in most games, not just Shadowrun, is "Geek the mage first."
In the vast assortment of games, the lightly armoured and armed person is a spell caster of some sort and is just waiting to whip out some nasty area effect. Killing/disabling them prevents that. Killing/disabling them prevents buffs, heals, and other effects that they'll put on the big fighter.
Tactically, removing that possible threat is just good sense.
the steriotype is lightly armored and lightly armed, equals caster but here are a few other characters Wear Armor would be rarely visible
Swashbuckler
Dervish
Noble Scion
Archer/Hunter
Tagalong Child (if young enough)
Martial Artist/Brawler
Gunslinger/Musketeer
Sailor/Pirate/Marine
Thief/Rogue/Assassin
Traveling Merchant
Negotiator
these are all archetypes that would rarely wear armor and could all be valid guises for a bard, witch or wizard to hide behind.
my half-nymph bard often played the role of Noble Scion, a Tagalong Child, and a Negotiator. she was literally all 3.
an Unarmed and Unarmored Character is just as likely to talk to you peacably or exploit a complex mobility based routine as they are to throw a fireball.
yes, the arcane caster plays the setup game, but even though they play the setup game, they can't literally inflict the finishing blow very well.
the caster is the support piece, the piece that enables victory, but you still need offensive pieces to deal the damage.
think of the wizard as the Vitol, the Air Vehicle, think of the weapon users as infantry
a Vitol can transport your troops and provide support fire, but you need infantry to capture the the resources, inflict the damage, and keep the captured country in line.
an Unarmed and Unarmored Character is just as likely to talk to you peacably or exploit a complex mobility based routine as they are to throw a fireball.
yes, the arcane caster plays the setup game, but even though they play the setup game, they can't literally inflict the finishing blow very well.
the caster is the support piece, the piece that enables victory, but you still need offensive pieces to deal the damage.
think of the wizard as the Vitol, the Air Vehicle, think of the weapon users as infantry
a Vitol can transport your troops and provide support fire, but you need infantry to capture the the resources, inflict the damage, and keep the captured country in line.
However air support is critical for the ground troops.
However air support is critical for the ground troops.an Unarmed and Unarmored Character is just as likely to talk to you peacably or exploit a complex mobility based routine as they are to throw a fireball.
yes, the arcane caster plays the setup game, but even though they play the setup game, they can't literally inflict the finishing blow very well.
the caster is the support piece, the piece that enables victory, but you still need offensive pieces to deal the damage.
think of the wizard as the Vitol, the Air Vehicle, think of the weapon users as infantry
a Vitol can transport your troops and provide support fire, but you need infantry to capture the the resources, inflict the damage, and keep the captured country in line.
true for modern warfare
guess i picked a bad analogy
it takes time to engage the wizard
and there is a high chance you risk losing a huge portion of your hit points, ignoring the martials to engage the caster. either due to having to waste turns clearing mirror images, which may not be worth the effort.
I don't see how its different, really.
You also risk instant death or save or suck ignoring the caster. A caster left alone might be able to effectively end the battle in one round. What do you mean "they can't inflict the finishing blow'? They very well can.
I suppose it is a difference of opinion in tactics. If the opponent is intelligent, they have to make a decision on what you are and how to deal with you.
I can understand the dislike of the GM actively going after your character just because you are different. But, if you are playing the aforementioned
the young half-nymph whom put major efforts into looking like the least threatening member of the group by means of actions and feigning weakness through subtle support.
then you are either a wizard of some sort or a potential hostage or something odd in their eyes. Either way, disabling/capturing/killing you with minimal effort frees up resources to deal with the "bodyguards" and doesn't leave them looking over their shoulder for you to shoot fireballs or mass heal or summon Godzilla or whatever other nightmare they can think of.
I don't see how its different, really.
You also risk instant death or save or suck ignoring the caster. A caster left alone might be able to effectively end the battle in one round. What do you mean "they can't inflict the finishing blow'? They very well can.
not every caster has access to instant death effects or save or sucks
the high level primary casters? sure, they might have those
but casters aren't bringing instant death on a constant basis. it would be a way to run out of spells quite quickly
the high level martial, is walking death on legs
their full attacks are guaranteed to kill
the wizard depends on a saving throw that one can spend resources to mitigate.
Save DCs don't scale as fast as Save bonuses and Armor class doesn't scale as fast as Attack bonuses. essentially, die bonuses scale faster than static numbers.
I don't see how its different, really.
You also risk instant death or save or suck ignoring the caster. A caster left alone might be able to effectively end the battle in one round. What do you mean "they can't inflict the finishing blow'? They very well can.
not every caster has access to instant death effects or save or sucks
the high level primary casters? sure, they might have those
but casters aren't bringing instant death on a constant basis. it would be a way to run out of spells quite quickly
the high level martial, is walking death on legs
their full attacks are guaranteed to kill
the wizard depends on a saving throw that one can spend resources to mitigate.
Save DCs don't scale as fast as Save bonuses and Armor class doesn't scale as fast as Attack bonuses. essentially, die bonuses scale faster than static numbers.
If you are positing a high level martial, you are also positing a high level wizard and at that level, yes, they ALL have the ability to make your life suck very fast or to quickly tip the balance of the battle. If it can't do that, then you have been purposely TRYING to make an ineffective wizard ...
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Make your life suck very fast, is a level 7 spell.
Improved make your life suck very fast, level 8.
Greater make your life suck very fast, tops in at level 9.
If you are positing a high level martial, you are also positing a high level wizard and at that level, yes, they ALL have the ability to make your life suck very fast or to quickly tip the balance of the battle. If it can't do that, then you have been purposely TRYING to make an ineffective wizard ...I don't see how its different, really.
You also risk instant death or save or suck ignoring the caster. A caster left alone might be able to effectively end the battle in one round. What do you mean "they can't inflict the finishing blow'? They very well can.
not every caster has access to instant death effects or save or sucks
the high level primary casters? sure, they might have those
but casters aren't bringing instant death on a constant basis. it would be a way to run out of spells quite quickly
the high level martial, is walking death on legs
their full attacks are guaranteed to kill
the wizard depends on a saving throw that one can spend resources to mitigate.
Save DCs don't scale as fast as Save bonuses and Armor class doesn't scale as fast as Attack bonuses. essentially, die bonuses scale faster than static numbers.
not every group has a wizard or sorcerer
and yes, a wizard can make your life suck if they pick and prepare the right spells
thing is, i don't play enough wizards to know their spell list
and the half-nymph was a support bard, not a death wizard
true, the wizard can kill stuff, but weekly william's group, rarely has wizards. and when we do get a wizard, it's usually aarons Evoker that becomes a future corpse
or it's something odd like my sylph street magician built around a theme rather than true minmaxing
i don't purposely try to make ineffective characters, i just try not to outshine a party of little optimizational skill.
i know when stuff is excessive, and i know when stuff can give you away
i try to contribute in ways that aren't blatantly obvious or cover roles nobody else wants, because we have so many martials, that another martial would just increase the number of monsters we face at a faster rate.
the reason i do stealth contributions, in other words, minor contributions the DM doesn't notice, is so the DM doesn't TPK the group.
Just saying, if they presume you are a wizard, there are very good and logical reasons to single you out for early execution.
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Tactically, however, the bad guys usually don't know what you are other than not this, not that, probably this.
Players operate under the same constraints, and have to make the same sort of decisions: what is that girl over there? Is it a wizard? Should I kill it? I should kill it.
Just saying, if they presume you are a wizard, there are very good and logical reasons to single you out for early execution.
the key with making an arcane caster, or a caster of any kind
is not to wear the robe and pointed hat everybody assumes the steriotypical caster to wear
most of the time i go for
some kind of noble's garb
some kind of light armor with no more than a 10% arcane failure
or something else that can hide the fact i'm an arcanist, i even take a secondary or even tertiary role tied to my cover, usually based on skill and feat choice
such as a sylph "Wizard" whom was simply a street urchin with a deck of tarot cards. (the deck of cards was her spellbook) the cards looked like common tarot deck with no visible magical aura. she picked a lot of spells pertaining to mimicking a rogue, or pertaining to air and weather. most of the time, she passed herself off as a sylph vagabond and did most of her stuff the roguish way. her spells were used in combat, but passed off as traits of a sylph due to the nature of a spell.
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People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!
People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!
Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.
Tactically, however, the bad guys usually don't know what you are other than not this, not that, probably this.
Players operate under the same constraints, and have to make the same sort of decisions: what is that girl over there? Is it a wizard? Should I kill it? I should kill it.
"What is the Half-Elf Girl in the Fancy Dress?"
Metagame Answer 1; "shes unarmored, she is clearly a caster."
Metagame Answer 2; "she is a Half-Nymph Bard"
Likely IC answer 1
"By her clothes, i can tell she is young, and she is appearantly wealthy. i might have a use for her if i capture her alive."
Answer 2
"she is dressed like a living doll, she is clearly some kind of puppeteer, she has dolls, and she is akward, it's possible she might be an enchanter, but such people are rare. i guess i'll be alert, just in case."
Answer 3
"this wealthy little girl is clearly a Noble Scion, i'll capture her, ransom her to her family, and make a pretty profit."
Answer 4
"she is young and cute, maybe i could sell her as a domestic slave to some random person for the right price."
Answer 5
"she's sickly and vulnerable, i doubt she will inflict much harm, i'll just knock her unconscious and take on her companions while shes out cold."
Answer 6; "i heard of this wealthy puppeteer, a Noble Scion from a wealthy empire, a countess whom manipulates the hearts of others like the strings of a marionette. sounds like she might be an enchanter, i'll be careful just in case."
Tactically, however, the bad guys usually don't know what you are other than not this, not that, probably this.
Players operate under the same constraints, and have to make the same sort of decisions: what is that girl over there? Is it a wizard? Should I kill it? I should kill it.
"What is the Half-Elf Girl in the Fancy Dress?"
Metagame Answer 1; "shes unarmored, she is clearly a caster."
Metagame Answer 2; "she is a Half-Nymph Bard"
Likely IC answer 1
"By her clothes, i can tell she is young, and she is appearantly wealthy. i might have a use for her if i capture her alive."
Answer 2
"she is dressed like a living doll, she is clearly some kind of puppeteer, she has dolls, and she is akward, it's possible she might be an enchanter, but such people are rare. i guess i'll be alert, just in case."
Answer 3
"this wealthy little girl is clearly a Noble Scion, i'll capture her, ransom her to her family, and make a pretty profit."
Answer 4
"she is young and cute, maybe i could sell her as a domestic slave to some random person for the right price."
Answer 5
"she's sickly and vulnerable, i doubt she will inflict much harm, i'll just knock her unconscious and take on her companions while shes out cold."
Answer 6; "i heard of this wealthy puppeteer, a Noble Scion from a wealthy empire, a countess whom manipulates the hearts of others like the strings of a marionette. sounds like she might be an enchanter, i'll be careful just in case."
Answer number seven: she is traveling with this dangerous and extremely capable group, they probably aren't carrying around dead weight. Therefore, she is likely also dangerous and extremely capable.
People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.
mine wear fashionable noble's clothing as well or something fitting to their station
though i had a magus whom wore a kimono, everybody thought she was a wizard because she wore a kimono. it was a ploy to protect the real wizard of the party. she carried a jian (reskinned scimitar) and while she did indeed cast spells, it was mostly to kill the less intelligent martials that fell for her trap.
my Sylph Wizard wore a minidress designed for mobility, and did everything she could to pass herself off as a rogue rather than a wizard.
It usually becomes clear when they cast a spell...People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.
Depends on the spell.
It usually becomes clear when they cast a spell...People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.
Then, of course, there is that ...
Depends on the spell.It usually becomes clear when they cast a spell...People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.
Hence "usually"
It usually becomes clear when they cast a spell...People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.
wizards, witches, and sorcerers aren't the only lightly armored arcane casters
in fact, out of 18 classes, only 2 of them don't have supernatural options and 12 of them have access to spells
Answer number seven: she is traveling with this dangerous and extremely capable group, they probably aren't carrying around dead weight. Therefore, she is likely also dangerous and extremely capable.Tactically, however, the bad guys usually don't know what you are other than not this, not that, probably this.
Players operate under the same constraints, and have to make the same sort of decisions: what is that girl over there? Is it a wizard? Should I kill it? I should kill it.
"What is the Half-Elf Girl in the Fancy Dress?"
Metagame Answer 1; "shes unarmored, she is clearly a caster."
Metagame Answer 2; "she is a Half-Nymph Bard"
Likely IC answer 1
"By her clothes, i can tell she is young, and she is appearantly wealthy. i might have a use for her if i capture her alive."
Answer 2
"she is dressed like a living doll, she is clearly some kind of puppeteer, she has dolls, and she is akward, it's possible she might be an enchanter, but such people are rare. i guess i'll be alert, just in case."
Answer 3
"this wealthy little girl is clearly a Noble Scion, i'll capture her, ransom her to her family, and make a pretty profit."
Answer 4
"she is young and cute, maybe i could sell her as a domestic slave to some random person for the right price."
Answer 5
"she's sickly and vulnerable, i doubt she will inflict much harm, i'll just knock her unconscious and take on her companions while shes out cold."
Answer 6; "i heard of this wealthy puppeteer, a Noble Scion from a wealthy empire, a countess whom manipulates the hearts of others like the strings of a marionette. sounds like she might be an enchanter, i'll be careful just in case."
The vast majority of these responses dictate that you get taken down then, be it as a rogue spell caster or a potential slave. The bad guys drop you and move on to other opponents. Regardless of what you are, which would be hard to determine in the thick of things, you AREN'T a person in heavy armour roaming around. You are an unknown. Remove you from the equation and deal with the puzzle after the fight.
Yeah, if you're being ambushed traveling the countryside, they might well assume she's a noble and they're protection. If you're assaulting their lair, she's dangerous.
Answer number seven: she is traveling with this dangerous and extremely capable group, they probably aren't carrying around dead weight. Therefore, she is likely also dangerous and extremely capable.
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they would know better if she attacked the monstrous lair
but in most urban and countryside settlements, she was accepted as approachable and friendly. she had a positive reputation as a noble to maintain, so she did a lot of helpful vanity projects.
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I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
It usually becomes clear when they cast a spell...People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.At which point it is too late and you've lost:)
If the enemy is smart, they will almost always target the light, small, possibly-magic-user in the group first. Remember the most dangerous things in a wizard's bag of tricks aren't directly offesnive spells at all--they are buffs, debuffs, and battlefield control. If the wizard can get off one or two of those, chances are the rest of the party can overwhelm the monsters. So Umbriere Moonwhisper, I think it is totally reasonable for a smart opponent to attack the bard first: bard's are decent buffers, and it isn't always obvious whether that bard is actually a sorcerer who can do something far more dangerous.If the enemy is not smart...well, that's a different story.
reasonable for a smart opponent i guess, but while you are attacking the bard first, the big hulking brute is taking huge chunks out of your hit points
it's indeed hard to tell a bard from a sorcerer, especially when it's a half-nymph that could be mistaken for a half-elf
and her reputation would depend on the group's level
but all the effort to disguise my contributions seem to fail when every NPC is all seeing and all knowing.
I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...
It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
Like playing a snowflake.
I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...
with the half-nymph bard, i tried to make her pass herself off as the least theatening member of the group.
all this effort to pass myself off as less dangerous to help keep the aggro focused on the heavily armored brutes, seems to be worthless.
Like playing a snowflake.It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
If its a snowflake that stands out in in story terms? Yes. If something is odd and stands out, it is odd and stands out. You think that everyone should just IGNORE the oddness in universe?
If its a snowflake that stands out in in story terms? Yes. If something is odd and stands out, it is odd and stands out. You think that everyone should just IGNORE the oddness in universe?Like playing a snowflake.It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
Would it be more if they stood out in setting terms? I mean the characters, PC or NPC, don't know they are in a story, do they?
Would it be more if they stood out in setting terms? I mean the characters, PC or NPC, don't know they are in a story, do they?If its a snowflake that stands out in in story terms? Yes. If something is odd and stands out, it is odd and stands out. You think that everyone should just IGNORE the oddness in universe?Like playing a snowflake.It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
Please stop with the lawyering games. You know exactly what I mean.
Like playing a snowflake.It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
depends on how outrageous the snowflake is
a planetouched, dhampir, samsraran, changeling, or half-nymph can pretend to be sufficiently human to blend in, the former, a series of 8, may need a bit of descriptive leniency for a stronger level of human blood in their planar heritage and maybe particular garments, a changeling or half-nymph can simply pass themselves off as a half-elf with a minor effort.
but none of the races i mentioned above are much wierder than a half-elf or half-orc to begin with
the snowflakes mentioned below that make definite targets are
anthropomorphic animals, these are akward enough to be recognizable
kobolds, goblinoids, and underdark denizens, most of them, are pretty obvious
monstrous races such as orcs and gnolls
gnomes, whom through their exotic pigmentations and loud and obnoxious personalities, give themselves away
Like playing a snowflake.It all depends. If they are targeted without reason, sure. However if someone makes themselves a target, then ...I never understood why those who design adventure modules wold target specific characters. It has to be done very carefully imo. As well whatever creatures used has to be at least somewhat dumb. No way a monster with little or no intelligence is going to bypass the heavily armored fighter to attack the weaker mage in the middle or back of the party. More intelligent creatures might. As well it kind of build resentment on the part of some players. When one palyer is targeted over and over again. As I said a tactic that needs to be used very carefully.
This thread has taken quite a tangent lol. Imo for the better.
depends on how outrageous the snowflake is
a planetouched, dhampir, samsraran, changeling, or half-nymph can pretend to be sufficiently human to blend in, the former, a series of 8, may need a bit of descriptive leniency for a stronger level of human blood in their planar heritage and maybe particular garments, a changeling or half-nymph can simply pass themselves off as a half-elf with a minor effort.
but none of the races i mention are much wierder than a half-elf or half-orc to begin with
the snowflakes that make definite targets are
anthropomorphic animals, these are akward enough to be recognizable
kobolds, goblinoids, and underdark denizens, most of them, are pretty obvious
monstrous races such as orcs and gnolls
gnomes, whom through their exotic pigmentations and loud and obnoxious personalities, give themselves away
See? She knows what I'm talking about.
But it isn't your racial snowflakiness (is this a word?) that is drawing attention, but the other character choices. The style of dress and place in the party makes you either a high value target to be taken before a stray arrow kills them or a potential spell caster of some flavor. Either way, you've made yourself a target.
Consider how you'd address the same situation if it were an NPC group you happen across in combat. What is your immediate reaction to the scene without knowing any more than 'someone dressed like so, doing this'.
But it isn't your racial snowflakiness (is this a word?) that is drawing attention, but the other character choices. The style of dress and place in the party makes you either a high value target to be taken before a stray arrow kills them or a potential spell caster of some flavor. Either way, you've made yourself a target.
Consider how you'd address the same situation if it were an NPC group you happen across in combat. What is your immediate reaction to the scene without knowing any more than 'someone dressed like so, doing this'.
capture the Noble Bard with nonlethal damage, Find out her Family, Ransom her for quite an extravagant reward
don't break the "China Doll." she's more Valuable Alive, Whole, Still Pure, and Unblemished by Rope Burns
Which is still targeting her.
Just non-lethaly.
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Which is still targeting her.
Just non-lethaly.
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you caught me
i like high value targets because instead of them dying to full round actions, it encourages a different kind of tactic, namely a tactic few adventurers bother with
the tactic of capturing a target for ransom is different from the standard unloading of pain for slaying a dragon
the nonlethal damage penalty and use of magic healing is to ensure the high value target can still be ransomed
it also guarantees i have a chance to continue playing the character at levels where raising isn't an option.
i just assumed non-lethal targeting didn't count because the noble bard was still alive to be ransomed.
i can get a bigger ransom off a living and intact noble, than i can get off a deflowered, damaged, and bruised noble.
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the tactic of capturing a target for ransom is different from the standard unloading of pain for slaying a dragon
Which is fine, just as long as you realize and understand that different people may have different strategies and may use different battle tactics than you do, and that your preferred strategies and battle tactics are not better than the next person’s.
the tactic of capturing a target for ransom is different from the standard unloading of pain for slaying a dragonWhich is fine, just as long as you realize and understand that different people may have different strategies and may use different battle tactics than you do, and that your preferred strategies and battle tactics are not better than the next person’s.
i do, different tactics are for different scenarios
Young Noble Girl? capture and Ransom
Dragon? unload the composite bows, slay it with ranged firepower
Horde of Mooks? have the fighters start cleaving and great cleaving if they have the feats
single boss? have the party close in and focus fire
which is why she should carry a large instument so the opponents goes "ohh a bard/skald/musician/entertainer, we can bother about her later".
Anyaway we seem to get a bit off topic mostly, I will agree that a half almost everything can usually disguise themselves as human with a minimum of effort while more exotic shapes have to do the hooded monk robe like the dragonlance draconians. This means from a snowflaky point of view makes them logical getting more attention while they beg/intimidate/slaughter those that wants to take it out on them, which in turn makes every social encounter more potentially bothersome for a GM and therefore influence the decision process of allowing said character to be a part of the story.
Though regarding this snowflaky story we are on, I have heard very little about if the other players should have a "say" if they want the special snowflake in the group, I kinda thinks that is important too, since their enjoyment of the game have to be taken into account as well in this process.
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It usually becomes clear when they cast a spell...People's wizards still wear pointed hats and robes??!?!Mine usually wear fashionable nobles clothing. Or practical traveling robes.wizards, witches, and sorcerers aren't the only lightly armored arcane casters
in fact, out of 18 classes, only 2 of them don't have supernatural options and 12 of them have access to spells
Which is why it is "Kill the caster" rather than "Kill the specific class"