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Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
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And your exact proposal would be...., let me guess, start up another petition?Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
Would you prefer the Petition or a Lynch mob hanging the Current Government on the White House Lawn while the Capitol Building is being demolished to make way for a billion seat Parliament? Your Call.
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That's an interesting choice, do I take the wildly improbable scenario, or the complete waste of time?Would you prefer the Petition or a Lynch mob hanging the Current Government on the White House Lawn while the Capitol Building is being demolished to make way for a billion seat Parliament? Your Call.And your exact proposal would be...., let me guess, start up another petition?Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
I choose apathy.
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That's an interesting choice, do I take the wildly improbable scenario, or the complete waste of time?Would you prefer the Petition or a Lynch mob hanging the Current Government on the White House Lawn while the Capitol Building is being demolished to make way for a billion seat Parliament? Your Call.And your exact proposal would be...., let me guess, start up another petition?Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
The Wildly improbable Scenario begins with Protest Rallies calling for an end to representative Government. the Waste of time is at this point doubly-so because they shut down the Government run petitions website.
It sounds to me like a lady panicked when the Secret Service surrounded her car and tried to get away, and ended up in a hail of bullets. If that's indeed what happened, I think it's a sad example of overreactive law enforcement.
I don't see how it has anything whatsoever to do with representative government.
If people "represent themselves" how is that done in any other way then pure democracy? And pure democracy has been rightly called the "tyranny of the masses" for a reason.
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I choose apathy.That's an interesting choice, do I take the wildly improbable scenario, or the complete waste of time?Would you prefer the Petition or a Lynch mob hanging the Current Government on the White House Lawn while the Capitol Building is being demolished to make way for a billion seat Parliament? Your Call.And your exact proposal would be...., let me guess, start up another petition?Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
I've tried Apathy...then they demand you pick a side. I usually tell then I chose my own.
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You'll never end representative government in this country without enormous bloodshed. Taking power away from our federal government would be like giving a starved pack of hyenas a dead zebra and then trying to take it back. And with what would you have it replaced?
It sounds to me like a lady panicked when the Secret Service surrounded her car and tried to get away, and ended up in a hail of bullets. If that's indeed what happened, I think it's a sad example of overreacting.Well apparently things started when she rammed the concrete barrier blocking access to the White House. If you look at the video the cops didn't shoot, until she started trying to run them over.
I am looking for the final evaluation of events, but "trying to run them over" is stating her intent. "Striking them with her car" would be a statement of actual fact. They put a barrier in front of her car and she hit it trying to get away.
She had her 1 year old kid in the car. I put this at about 80% probable that she just panicked and ended up getting shot. It is fortunate the baby was not also killed.
In the end I think this will be acknowledged to have been a terrible tragedy. Until I see something concrete suggesting nefarious intent, I'm not going to assume the lady was attempting to perform a terrorist act with her 1 year old baby in the car.
LazarX, yep, that's true. But my immediate reaction to this event is not "Yay! We nailed a terrorist!" My immediate reaction is "OMG, the poor woman, and now we've got a motherless child."
I may be totally wrong, but that's just my immediate reaction to what I see so far.
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Probably a good idea to get this thread locked so we don't disrespect the dead through idle speculation.
I've tried Apathy...then they demand you pick a side. I usually tell then I chose my own.I choose apathy.That's an interesting choice, do I take the wildly improbable scenario, or the complete waste of time?Would you prefer the Petition or a Lynch mob hanging the Current Government on the White House Lawn while the Capitol Building is being demolished to make way for a billion seat Parliament? Your Call.And your exact proposal would be...., let me guess, start up another petition?Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
Well, choosing not to vote is effectively a vote for the majority, so it's kind of what you're asking for.
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I don't think this woman's actions are in any way correlated with a need to end our representative government. I think both issues are separate and should probably be treated as such.
It sounds to me like a lady panicked when the Secret Service surrounded her car and tried to get away, and ended up in a hail of bullets. If that's indeed what happened, I think it's a sad example of overreacting.Well apparently things started when she rammed the concrete barrier blocking access to the White House. If you look at the video the cops didn't shoot, until she started trying to run them over.I am looking for the final evaluation of events, but "trying to run them over" is stating her intent. "Striking them with her car" would be a statement of actual fact. They put a barrier in front of her car and she hit it trying to get away.
She had her 1 year old kid in the car. I put this at about 80% probable that she just panicked and ended up getting shot. It is fortunate the baby was not also killed.
In the end I think this will be acknowledged to have been a terrible tragedy. Until I see something concrete suggesting nefarious intent, I'm not going to assume the lady was attempting to perform a terrorist act with her 1 year old baby in the car.
this really doesn't sound like a "just panicked" situation.
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The majority of people are idiots, so that's a problem.
Then again those same idiots vote for whichever moron is telling them what they want to hear, so thats a problem.
Clearly I don't think much of people as a whole.
this really doesn't sound like a "just panicked" situation.
Interesting, because that is what it sounds like to me.
this really doesn't sound like a "just panicked" situation.Interesting, because that is what it sounds like to me.
guess were just going to have to disagree.
I choose quietism and laughing at the farce.
More time for gaming!
Let's see how this plays out OK?
She had no weapons and no explosives but had a 1 year old child in the car.
That doesn't smell like terrorism to me. Or activism. It smells like something else.
We will learn more. All I am saying is that I am not assuming the worst about this lady.
That's all.
She rammed the gate and endangered the child, good she was shotThis doesn't bode well for the protest rallies demanding self representation.
No. Really lousy that she was shot.
Would have been much better had they been able to stop the car and take her unhurt. But it wasn't to be.
It is hard to fault the authorities in our present state of hair trigger alertness about potential terrorism. And it appears that the first instinct of the agents was to try to put a barrier to hem her in, but that didn't work for whatever reason.
I will wait for the final readout, I just think the whole thing is likely a horrible example of circumstances spiraling out of control ending up with a dead mother that probably didn't "need" to be killed.
I find the whole thing sad, and I do think it reflects on how our society has become overly reactive to potential threats.
Of course that's easy for me to say sitting here in my basement as opposed to standing on a road with a two-ton machine careening at me.
Still, it saddens me.
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Well then. Within two days we will have the We Love America Act. This will make it illegal to probably be mentally ill, to have 1-year-olds in a car, to drive except in specially designated "free driving zones" that fourteen new authorities will be responsible for overseeing, to have a delightful bedside manner. A new authority will be set up, the Pregnancy Regulation Authority, that will be responsible for pregnant women and mothers to children up to the age of fourteen not doing "acts of hormones". Anyone breaking any of these rules will be shipped off for torture to Afghanistan camps on the decision of special judges without oversight. A day later, there is a "war on hormones", which apparently means invading Qatar.
Or, less realistically, people will understand that postpartum mental illness is always a terrible thing.
Possibly.
.. because this wouldn't have happened if we had a dictator that, oddly enough, didn't want to die in office?
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Time for an end to representative government? No. Time to switch to a parliamentary system in the US, along with strict limits on campaign finances? Most certainly. Likelihood of it happening? Slightly above zero.
I personally have no objections to that.
Another revolutionary war, then? Well, it will likely mean the rest of the world doesn't have to deal with Team America, World Police for a while.
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I personally have no objections to that.
Well, I, for one, have objections. You chose to turn your back on the Imperial Majesty of Albion. Now that you've proven what we've always known, that you're incapable of governing yourselves, you want to come crawling back and expect us to fix the hideous mess you caused? We let you go for reasons, old chaps and chapesses. We realised America was essentially ungovernable and decided to cut our losses. Why on Earth would we want you back into the fold and let you corrupt our proud and glorious institutions?
Didn't her Majesty the Queen already send notice that since you were unable to come to an election result, you were forthwith a part of the British Empire again? And had started to spell properly, with u:s everywhere they should be?
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Which they have ignored, madam. Such insolence and disrepect to Her Majesty only compounds their folly and strengthens our British stiff upper lip to not allow them back in.
Toodle pip
And they still don't seem to have gotten the u:s back in. Go figure.
Mother drives car into Whitehouse Bollards
Is it time to do away with representative government and require people to represent themselves?
sorry, I don't understand the connection here. Are you saying the woman was trying to represent herself but was killed because the police enforced representative government?
As a scandinavian I'd rather urge US to introduce representative government. Multi-party with proportional representation would avoid the current senate-house silliness, change the debates from black-white to a wider spectrum, and give more power to the voters rather than the party nomination committees.
"requiring people to represent themselves" sounds very close to "not requiring the politicians to represent the people".
If only the Americans could have upheld the twentieth amendment.
I'd rather have 535 tyrants 1200 miles away than be surrounded by 400 million...
Yes, much easier and does not require a boat.