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Anyone here knows what happened to Nightcrawler / why he died in the first place?

IIRC, he took a shot from Bastion that was meant for Rogue. They were trying to protect Hope at the time, I believe. Kinda had Bastion's arm sticking out of his chest.

So rogue just died, by the way, as of the latest "Uncanny Avengers" comic. Killed by the Grim Reaper. Funny that Nightcrawler is coming back... (it's like the bullet was meant for Rogue, and now that she's going, the elf can come back! lol)

Edit: disclaimer on last... the next issue will confirm or deny her "death" I think... especially since she had absorbed Wolverine's healing factor/claws power before that fight... lol

If "next issue will confirm or deny her death", she's not dead.

I mean, there's still an outside chance, but not significantly more likely than if she hadn't been "killed" in the current issue.

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Kthulhu wrote:
How many times has Rogue died before, anyway? She's one of the X-Men, so it's almost certainly at least 1.

That's why they call them the 'Ex-Men,' they're all ex-people.

Never liked her anyway. Spends all her time complaining about her mutant power, while basically making a living off of someone elses powers she stole. I think she'd have been way more interesting having only whatever powers she could steal in any given situation, and not defaulting to super-strong, invulnerable, flying supermanalogue.

She was like the Black Bolt of the X-Men. "Oh, if I use my main power, terrible things happen! Thank goodness I have a crapton of other powers that are better than the rest of yours anyway!"

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Amusingly Set, that's kind of where she is now. (Carol's back, and is the flying brick. Though I was so happy to see (all to briefly) her Binary form.)

Also under Claremont's pen, it was pretty clear her 'blessed with suck' aspects were psychological. (When Carol Danvers' persona was in control, she made skin to skin contact all the time.)

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Set wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
How many times has Rogue died before, anyway? She's one of the X-Men, so it's almost certainly at least 1.

That's why they call them the 'Ex-Men,' they're all ex-people.

Never liked her anyway. Spends all her time complaining about her mutant power, while basically making a living off of someone elses powers she stole. I think she'd have been way more interesting having only whatever powers she could steal in any given situation, and not defaulting to super-strong, invulnerable, flying supermanalogue.

She was like the Black Bolt of the X-Men. "Oh, if I use my main power, terrible things happen! Thank goodness I have a crapton of other powers that are better than the rest of yours anyway!"

Black Bolt was never an X-Man. Technically speaking, he's not even a Mutant. He's an Inhuman.

What Rouge had to fall back on was the powers of Ms. Marvel. But she lost those for good sometime ago. At the time of her death, she only had her one mutant power.

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LazarX wrote:
Set wrote:

She was like the Black Bolt of the X-Men. "Oh, if I use my main power, terrible things happen! Thank goodness I have a crapton of other powers that are better than the rest of yours anyway!"

Black Bolt was never an X-Man. Technically speaking, he's not even a Mutant. He's an Inhuman.

I think Set was using an analogy, not claiming that Black Bolt was a member of the X-Men.

Rogue:X-Men::Black Bolt:Inhumans.

But, in any event, Rogue is still awesome. Here's hoping she gets better.

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Bah, she's a decently popular comic book character. It's not IF she'll get better, it's only a question of if they bring her back in the next issue, or if they let her sit on the back burner for a few months/years.

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Lathiira wrote:
If she's dead...Marvel is dead to me. Even allowing for comic book death.

I hope she's dead. Such a white trash character. Her rash decision to kill Scarlet Witch was dumb. Oh yeah, did I mention that Rogue killed Scarlet Witch?? Scarlet Witch was trying to save the timeline by summoning all mutants in one place so they could off the new Apocalypse Twins, but good old dumbass Rogue thought she was on the side of the Twins doing their bidding so she decided to off her. Nevermind that she left Wolverine in a heap mess behind after sucking his power away, and nevermind that Wolverine told her not to go kill Wanda.

Man that Rogue is as dumb as a brick. She deserve a death at the hand of a joke like Grim Reaper.

R.I.P. Rogue, R.I.P... and by that I hope your death lasts at LEAST five years.

Edit: did you ever wonder why Gambit never put a ring on her? SHE'S CRAZY! and DUMB!

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I liked the 10th episode well enough, the first one with a cliffhanger so far.
What annoys me though is the fact that Marvel is so damn squeamish in using any of its actual superheroes. I mean the only superpowered guys from the comics are Graviton (we saw a hand) and Scortch (died) so not good thus far.


Oh. This thread is still about the show?!?

Yeah, I thought that the cliffhanger was good. I was a bit confused how there was "no other option." I mean, why not tell Colson so he can wear the super scent McGuffin. Oh well. Also the preview kinda exposed the results of some of the cliffhangers. Over all, despite that complaint I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. Probably my second favorite after the Thor tie-in.

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You watch the preview?

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The show still managed to put me to sleep last night. I woke up in time to hear the last line: "Mr. Coulson, tell me what happened the day after you died".

:P

There, you all have been spoiled *&^@less!

Muhahahahah!


Yeah, Hama, the 2 or so minutes at the end of the show, you know: coming in January on Agents of Shield ... Blah blah blah.

Way to spoil the 1st Avengers movie PDK. :)

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Why? Why do people watch the preview? It just spoils the next episode.


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Totally bottomed out in ratings once again falling off by a huge .6 from the previous ratings and a 24% drop....in other words....get used to this being the one and only season.

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Unless they actually start doing something and putting in important characters from the comics, I agree with you.

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MeanDM wrote:

Oh. This thread is still about the show?!?

Yeah, I thought that the cliffhanger was good. I was a bit confused how there was "no other option." I mean, why not tell Colson so he can wear the super scent McGuffin. Oh well. Also the preview kinda exposed the results of some of the cliffhangers. Over all, despite that complaint I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. Probably my second favorite after the Thor tie-in.

I was expecting the superhero guy to find some way to get the scent on Coulson without the bad guys noticing - like "shaking his hand" or something (the scent was on his wrist if I recall correctly).

All in all not a very good episode, and I'm really coming to dislike the pilot. She's just too angry for me to care about her, honestly.

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yep... i'm a huge marvel fan and I'm not feeling marvelous at all when I watch this


There are elements I am enjoying. Skye's development as the one who helps humanize everyone they encounter is something I really like. Typically, it's the hacker-geek who is the most detached, but Skye helps bring some people-oriented-ness to a team that's very overwhelmingly task-oriented.

I also like that May deals with everything and copes by just getting angry. At first glance, it'd be behavior more typically expected from the gruff, macho, manly-man Ward character.

And Coulson I find impossible not to like. Clark Gregg steals every scene he's in.

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All that being said, the show's not nearly as good as it has the potential to be, which is a shame. I hope after the winter break it's able to find its stride and come back with some strong and compelling stories.


I find the show entertaining enough to watch, but it is not a "must see" show for me. I love Clark Gregg but it needs something more.

Watching this mid season finale and Arrow's mid season finale last night had polar opposite effects on me. I had to look up when Arrow returns from break and I can't wait to see what happens next. (To be fair though Arrow has one season on AoS already).

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Hama wrote:
Unless they actually start doing something and putting in important characters from the comics, I agree with you.

This is a way that Joss Whedon (an in this case, his disciples) builds a series, he doles information out slowly.

For example, this "centipede" organization probably is [b]A.I.M., but the non MARVEL fans would not get the reference. So the Show Runners want to build up the discovery slowly, so that the non-lifelong MARVEL readers will understand it.

Also remember that after the defeat of Aldrich Killian, A.I.M. has to rebuild. That process both takes time and may be what we are watching in the series.

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Lord Snow wrote:
I was expecting the superhero guy to find some way to get the scent on Coulson without the bad guys noticing - like "shaking his hand" or something (the scent was on his wrist if I recall correctly).

How hard would it have been for Mike to just tell everyone, "Hey, they really want Coulson so let's be sneaky spies and put the tracking scent on him instead," at any point after he spoke with Raina? I guess all they taught him about being a spy at SHIELD was how to ruin the landscaping.

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Yeah, man, his son was in danger. I wouldn't have said anything either. And maybe he did tell Coulson and it was all an act. It was a cliffhanger episode. We'll see.


Velcro Zipper wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
I was expecting the superhero guy to find some way to get the scent on Coulson without the bad guys noticing - like "shaking his hand" or something (the scent was on his wrist if I recall correctly).
How hard would it have been for Mike to just tell everyone, "Hey, they really want Coulson so let's be sneaky spies and put the tracking scent on him instead," at any point after he spoke with Raina? I guess all they taught him about being a spy at SHIELD was how to ruin the landscaping.

Just a minor point...he did not finish his training.

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Tangible Delusions wrote:
I find the show entertaining enough to watch, but it is not a "must see" show for me. I love Clark Gregg but it needs something more.

Yeah, Agent Coulson is cool, and Simmons is hot, but other than that it's pretty underwhelming. It feels like "Fringe for kids," with a few references to the Marvel movies.

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John Kretzer wrote:
Just a minor point...he did not finish his training.

I get that, but the guy was with SHIELD for a few months before Coulson came back for him. "We're spies," seems like something he would have learned during indoc week.

I get that they had his kid, and I can kind of even accept that SHIELD wasn't monitoring his sister's house to protect his family (maybe they were and it was just never said) but, up to that phone call, it seemed like Mike trusted Coulson's team enough that he would have told them and let them help him come up with a better plan. It just stuck out to me that, even after Fitz and Simmons told him they could make a traceable cologne the Centipede guys wouldn't detect, he still kept his mouth shut.

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Maybe he told them. Maybe it's a ruse. We'll see. Maybe it's the only way Coulson can know what happened to him.

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Hama wrote:
Maybe he told them. Maybe it's a ruse. We'll see. Maybe it's the only way Coulson can know what happened to him.

Too many questions.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
Hama wrote:
Maybe he told them. Maybe it's a ruse. We'll see. Maybe it's the only way Coulson can know what happened to him.
Too many questions.

If SHIELD is supposed to be counter-espionage, maybe it's a sign that the scriptwriters have remembered that at last and are thinking about plotlines involving cloak-and-dagger stuff (figuratively speaking, I mean, not actually literally involving the characters 'cloak' and 'dagger'). :)

Silver Crusade

I think that the reason May reacts so badly to Skye's efforts to find her mum...is because MAY is secretly her mum!

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I was thinking it might be more likely that May might have had one of her speeches with Skye's mom and force them to give her up.

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I think May is just an angry beeatch and Skye is some hippyish hipster with no military training whatsoever, which makes her extremely annoying to military types. Frankly she doesn't belong there at all - it must be a "Coultron" malfunction to have her join the team or something... :)


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I'm actually enjoying the show and feel it's been getting stronger as the season has gone on.

That being said, Ward is apparently the world's dumbest sniper, setting up somewhere that a truck was in his way.

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Velcro Zipper wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
I was expecting the superhero guy to find some way to get the scent on Coulson without the bad guys noticing - like "shaking his hand" or something (the scent was on his wrist if I recall correctly).
How hard would it have been for Mike to just tell everyone, "Hey, they really want Coulson so let's be sneaky spies and put the tracking scent on him instead," at any point after he spoke with Raina? I guess all they taught him about being a spy at SHIELD was how to ruin the landscaping.

As others said - if I had a kid who's life depended on the willingness of a near stranger (even a proven to be good hearted one) to sacrifice himself (or at least take a SERIOUS risk) I might have tried to trick the stranger as well.

But making sure that Coulson gets the scent on him once it's too late for him to back out seems like a logical idea, too.


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That being said, Ward is apparently the world's dumbest sniper, setting up somewhere that a truck was in his way.

Ward as sniper is playing the part of Worf.

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Hama wrote:

I liked the 10th episode well enough, the first one with a cliffhanger so far.

What annoys me though is the fact that Marvel is so damn squeamish in using any of its actual superheroes. I mean the only superpowered guys from the comics are Graviton (we saw a hand) and Scortch (died) so not good thus far.

One... this is live action video on a television budget. They can't blow 40 million per episode on the requisite special effects that would be needed.

Two... this is a show who's main focus is on human scale characters. Bring in the Avengers or any superhero on that levek, and all they'd be able to do is cheerlead from the sidelines.


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That being said, Ward is apparently the world's dumbest sniper, setting up somewhere that a truck was in his way.

A misguided attempt to show just how ahead of the team Centipede and "the Clairvoyant" are. They knew that would be the best vantage point for a sniper and put the trucks there to block line of sight. Also,

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since the trucks were bombs, they were prepared for the team to try a rescue attempt. And the bait-and-switch with the car and helicopter. (Though I'm not certain how they managed to get over the side of what was apparently a bridge, down to the chopper while carrying an unconscious individual, and getting the chopper started without anyone noticing, during the time it took for the explosions to die down.

Question about what happened at the end:

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Did Gunn die? I was looking away from the screen at the moment. I saw him hand the kid to Skye and go running back, then she screamed "Michael!" and I looked back and everything was blowing up. Never saw what happened to him.

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He was enveloped in the fireball, but I am certain he's ok, since he is filled with the supersoldier serum...


Yeah, I'm with Hama. Pretty sure he's fine.


Yeah, we're supposed to think he's dead, but since this is a superhero universe, no body=no death (and even with a body...)

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I like it, it's good fun.

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It's also possible that it was Colson that set up those trucks to explode or that this is how Gunn really gets his superpowers. . .

They did keep mentioning that he was unique, or had progressed to level 3 or something.

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The "level three" stuff was mentioned by Centipede. It was originally assumed that they meant something about how Gunn was stabilized, but the ending let us know that it's something about Coulson's return that will lead them to "level three".

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Noooooo...no more show till january 7th...nooo

Silver Crusade

I gave up on this show. It really hasn't been all that great. I tried to like it, but found most episodes to be slow and boring. I'll watch Arrow instead.

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Why not both?

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As I stated above Shield was just very boring. I liked a few of the characters, but it just didn't do it for me. I expected more (old comic book fan) and this just doesn't deliver.

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Danubus wrote:
I gave up on this show. It really hasn't been all that great. I tried to like it, but found most episodes to be slow and boring. I'll watch Arrow instead.

Same here. Maybe if they finally bother answering the question regarding Coulson's return from the dead, I'll watch that episode, but given that they've strung it out this long, I anticipate it will be used in a cliffhanger.

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I'm pretty sure May isn't Skye's mother, but they're definitely tied together tighter than we first thought. Given what we know about The Cavalry's last mission, she rescued a young girl from some unknown fate. Whatever happened to her in there scared the Hell out of her, and she fled to a desk job. Coulson told her that she needed to "let the girl go."

I'd lay money on the assumption that May is the SHIELD agent that put Skye in the orphanage, and she's trying to keep her from finding out what really happened to her. I'm interested in seeing that story. What freaked out The Cavalry that much? Why is she trying to keep the truth from Skye? What happened in that building? What horrors does she see at night, what demons does she wrestle with?

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If that turns out to be true and Skye turns out to have been rescued from some clandestine experimental lab where children are trained to be sleeper agent assassins I am going to groan so loud.

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