Funny how things like this spark such debate.
I'd allow for it on the basis of being a weapon like object. So long as it is carried in a weapon like manner.
I would even allow the quick draw feat to be applied to it.
I do the same for other objects like potions, scrolls, bombs, extracts, etc, given they are carried in a similar manner such as on a belt bandolier.
I see no reason for players to have to waste more than one action to do draw a weapon or item from a sheath, belt or bandolier. It is bad enough to waste one turn fumbling around for a potion or other item in combat I see no reason to make them waste two or more. It just slows things down and leaves some classes at a marked disadvantage over others in the first few rounds.
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Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I draw a weapon-like object with a regular move?Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action (to draw a weapon) with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw a weapon-like object.
Wow, I had completely forgotten this thread. I like the ruling.
I've never seen a FAQ get so little attention. :)
I notice that only a few posts in the thread took a different position, and the primary dissenter hasn't posted anything in over a year.
Philosophical Question: If a FAQ is posted on a messageboard and no one is around who disagrees, then does it make a sound?
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Dammit, what idiot asked this. Now its going to be months before I find out if my kitsune needs dodge/mobilit... oh this was one of mine...
There were plenty of people who disagreed, judging by the table variation that I see in PFS games. No more though. I'm going to pull a wand every time I move in every PFS game from here out, just because I can!!
That's a great idea. :)
I've never played PFS so I wasn't aware that this was an issue. I'm glad that the FAQ will be useful.
Dammit, what idiot asked this. Now its going to be months before I find out if my kitsune needs dodge/mobilit... oh this was one of mine...
Congratulations on getting a question FAQ'd.
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Well, they don't really define 'weapon-like object'. So you just need to acquire a wand-shaped potion.
If your wand weighs 1 lb, don't waste any actions at all. Use your Tiny sized familiar you always forget about to use it's own actions. Either a double move to retrieve and then manipulate it into your hand or if you have a Valet familiar use a Standard for Prestidigitation and a Move for it to do a little show like a stage magician so that Presto-Chango, the wand is in your hand in a puff of smoke!
I'm a little confused with the ruling. The rules never stated one can sheath a weapon as part of a move if one has BAB +1. Just about drawing a weapon as part of the move action.
Is this ruling adding in sheath weapons to the original rules?
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I'm a little confused with the ruling. The rules never stated one can sheath a weapon as part of a move if one has BAB +1. Just about drawing a weapon as part of the move action.
Is this ruling adding in sheath weapons to the original rules?
Now, if we can see if Quick Draw applies to sheathing a weapon...
I'm a little confused with the ruling. The rules never stated one can sheath a weapon as part of a move if one has BAB +1. Just about drawing a weapon as part of the move action.
Is this ruling adding in sheath weapons to the original rules?
That is weird. The CRB text in the OP doesn't mention being able to combine sheathing with a normal movement action. And in the FAQ, they cite the table on page 183 as the justification for the ruling. On that table the 'sheath a weapon' action lacks the footnote that says you can combine it with a move action if your BAB is at least +1. So I guess they did change the rules for sheathing weapons. It seems odd that they would use the table to justify a FAQ that contradicts the table, though.
Yes, the FAQ needs a minor wording retuning. I'll have it taken care of when I can (while I'm at it, the large creature emanation FAQ still hasn't received the change I requested; hopefully I can figure out a better way to allow the PDT to edit FAQ wording, since right now we physically can't do so). The PDT post earlier in the thread has a tweaked wording, but the actual FAQ page doesn't, yet. If you see other issues with the PDT post's version above, let me know!
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Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I draw a weapon-like object with a regular move?Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action (to draw a weapon) with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw a weapon-like object.
This has to be an error. Sheathing a sword while moving would not be as easy as unsheathing it (and certainly not a free action).
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hopefully I can figure out a better way to allow the PDT to edit FAQ wording, since right now we physically can't do so).
Yeah, that would be pretty great. :-)
FAQ Friday has been a huge improvement to the process here. Really impressed & happy with the work y'all have been doing on this. But this seems like a pretty big process-improvement that we've got yet to realize on this front. Looking forward to when it's resolved (months/years in the future as that may be ...).
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This has to be an error. Sheathing a sword while moving would not be as easy as unsheathing it (and certainly not a free action).Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I draw a weapon-like object with a regular move?Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action (to draw a weapon) with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw a weapon-like object.
Look at the post above yours. :)
FAQ Friday has been a huge improvement to the process here. Really impressed & happy with the work y'all have been doing on this.
I'll second that!
It is nice to get an official update on this since it comes up fairly often during games.
Yes, the FAQ needs a minor wording retuning. I'll have it taken care of when I can (while I'm at it, the large creature emanation FAQ still hasn't received the change I requested; hopefully I can figure out a better way to allow the PDT to edit FAQ wording, since right now we physically can't do so). The PDT post earlier in the thread has a tweaked wording, but the actual FAQ page doesn't, yet. If you see other issues with the PDT post's version above, let me know!
It doesn't look like this got fixed.
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What appears in this thread:
Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I draw a weapon-like object with a regular move?Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action (to draw a weapon) with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw a weapon-like object.
What now appears on the FAQ page:
Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I combine the action with a regular move?
Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw or sheathe a weapon-like object.
It has changed to allow sheathing.
What appears in this thread:
Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I draw a weapon-like object with a regular move?Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action (to draw a weapon) with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw a weapon-like object.What now appears on the FAQ page:
It has changed to allow sheathing.Drawing and Sheathing a Weapon-like Object: I know I can draw or sheathe a weapon-like object as a move action using the “Draw or sheathe a weapon” action, but if I have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, can I combine the action with a regular move?
Yes. As shown on the chart on page 183, when you have a BAB of +1 or higher, you are combining the regular draw or sheathe a weapon action with a move action. Thus all rules for draw or sheathe a weapon apply, including the ability to draw or sheathe a weapon-like object.
No the thread version of the FAQ is the corrected one as Mark/Pathfinder Design Team was able to edit the thread post.
The FAQ Page version is still the incorrect original and TriOmegaZero is saying it hasn't been updated yet.
Just sharpen the end or tie a blade to it...
Now it's a weapon.
Problem solved.
Heck, if you are crafting it yourself, make it into an arrow! Free action to draw it! Woot!
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Does that mean a witch can draw a wand while cackling?
"Regular move" mean moving, not taking a move action. It is the Move action of the Actions In Combat table, the first you find in the "Move Action" section of the table, not the whole section.
I.e. this:Move
As I said in my last post, just sharpen one end of it.
Boom.
It's a weapon.
Tie some feathers to it.
Boom.
It's an arrow.
Maybe poorly crafted, but an arrow none the less.
Maybe a dart. Depends on the wand I suppose.
:D
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I'm not sure if this issue was resolved or if this point was brought up but I just wanted to say that the quick draw feat in 3e even had an accompanying picture of a dwarf quick drawing a wand if that helps.Draw or Sheathe a Weapon
Drawing a weapon so that you can use it in combat, or putting it away so that you have a free hand, requires a move action. This action also applies to weapon-like objects carried in easy reach, such as wands. If your weapon or weapon-like object is stored in a pack or otherwise out of easy reach, treat this action as retrieving a stored item.
If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw two light or one-handed weapons in the time it would normally take you to draw one.
________Can you draw a wand as part of a move with a bab of +1 or higher?
Yes: the paragraphs are related and are talking about the same thing: weapons or weapon like objects
No: the second paragraph specifies weapon, not weapon or weapon like object.
Yes, it was resolved by the FAQ that was posted earlier in the thread.
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There were plenty of people who disagreed, judging by the table variation that I see in PFS games. No more though. I'm going to pull a wand every time I move in every PFS game from here out, just because I can!!
I'd just like to say that my wife's only PFS death was because this hadn't yet been faq'd.
It is kind of weird when a FAQ's effects would change game history if applied retroactively. That's one reason why I try to play conservatively with stuff I think is likely to get FAQ'd. I'd hate people to go back and say, "You shouldn't have been able to do X and Y" Knowing your PC (or your wife's) would have lived if what seems like a common sense rule had been in place is probably annoying in a somewhat different way.