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Since the Fangwood Keep Module is 3-5, the OP can only apply this chronicle sheet to characters of 1-2 levels, if the OP decides to use a level 4 pregen.Once again, source? The guide clearly states (p 29 under Applying Credit) that a player playing a pregenerated character can do so and hold the credit until the time the other character reaches the level of the pregen played. That tells me he can apply it to any character of levels 3 or lower. ( by the strictest reading; I actually think any character 4 or lower qualifies, for cases like I presented above like party balance)
However, what the OP is trying to do not of neccessity, but rather trying to maximize the benifits of the boon. It is cheesing the system to try and reap the most benefit from it. The OP has the choice of running the Inquisitor, running the Bard. Choosing to run the pregen, and then saying "on second thought, I want to toss the exp to the Bard" is an expoit of the system. Having a character within the bracket, and using a pregen to apply exp to the character within the bracket seems like it is not supposed to happen. The OP other option was to though drop the exp down to 1, but still obtaining the boon. Is it ethical gameplay to push for that? Then would people play the scenario that would reap the most for a level 1 and cram as much boons to that character,
However, I do agree about the party balance. This is where things get tricky. Do you play a game where the party composition is 2 Fighters, 2 Gunslingers? How would healing work out?
Is this how the Pathfinder Society supposed to be like, where people toss in a bid and Venture Captain So-and-So says, "Ok, you four (or six, or even seven) follow me. You have a task to do." Is that what supposed to happen, or is the VC is like, "Yeah... You all seem good, but Mr. Gunslinger, I don't think you are cut out for this mission. Kyra, you take his place. Though Kyra, the gunslinger is still going to get all the stuff."
Roleplay-wise, mechanic-wise, and rule-wise. This befuddles the situation until we have one of the Coordinators of PFS clarify how things are supposed to work.
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Cao:
On your spoiler:
On principle, I actually agree with you. The last thing I want is exploiting of the system. But saying, black and white, "no you can't run a pregen if you have a character in range" is also not the right solution. Seems we agree in things like party balance and such.
Is it ethical to push a sheet to a level 1? I don't know. Ethics vary from person to person. Maybe a sheet's boon is for a special mount, so neither his inquisitor or bard could benefit? Is it so bad that he puts it on a level 1 and makes a cavalier with it instead?
Related to the cases in your spoiler above, what happens if a dad brings his son to the gameday and the game is one of the scenarios with the boons from your spoiler? It's Junior's first game, and they win and the decides to take the sheet for his level 1. Then for him it's ok to have [redacted]?
I don't like making rules based on ethical, because it is so subjective.
It's hard to express exactly what I want to say, but basically I think if we restrict access to pregen use more than we have now it will be a net loss to the campaign. Kinda like lighting a campfire with a flamethrower.
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This is already covered in the Guide on page 6:
If you play a 1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit for her first adventure to a newly created character of your very own. If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played. You may not apply a Chronicle sheet earned with a pregenerated character to a character that was already at the level of the pregenerated character or higher, as you should have used this character for the scenario instead.
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Ok, so there are no exception to the bracket situation for pregens, but a person can still apply, using the Fangwood Keep as an example, the chronicle sheet to a Level 1 or 2 character, as I stated earlier.
And looking at Page 6, it does explain that though you can reduce the gold amount to a newly made level 1 character, the boon, as well as the items/prestiege, can still be activated at an earlier level.
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Ok, so there are no exception to the bracket situation for pregens, but a person can still apply, using the Fangwood Keep as an example, the chronicle sheet to a Level 1 or 2 character, as I stated earlier.
And looking at Page 6, it does explain that though you can reduce the gold amount to a newly made level 1 character, the boon, as well as the items/prestiege, can still be activated at an earlier level.
In the case of Fangwood Keep
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This is already covered in the Guide on page 6:
If you play a 1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit for her first adventure to a newly created character of your very own. If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played. You may not apply a Chronicle sheet earned with a pregenerated character to a character that was already at the level of the pregenerated character or higher, as you should have used this character for the scenario instead.
Then it is a good thing I never intended to apply it to Kodiak or Mayim. (The characters in range). :-)
Though it could be read that I could apply it to Kodiak (level 3).
But I'd hate to make Cao's assumption of cheese any way accurate. It's like assuming that asking for a clarification of making a rope dart out of Mithral is an attempt to cheese the system...
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That was clarification of weight and pricing. Seeing that it was the first post, for my first character in any sort of pen and paper roleplaying game, I wanted to get a full understanding of the ruling, so I would not have any issue with how much stuff works.
I will state that I did forget about the Prestiege cost of the boon, so that makes this easier to digest. However, since it is in the Guide that boons can still be applied to Level 1 characacters, I have to accept it.
I do not want to further any type of vitriol in this situation, so I'll apoligize for the way I had said the things that I had said.
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Apologies Todd, I missed the spoiler button in the original post.
However, whether we agree with the idea of boon shopping or not, the pregen credit issue hits more people than that. It hits people who are tired of their highest level character, and it hits people who have just forgotten or haven't had time to update their tier-legal character.
By taking a hard-line stance to prevent "cheesing" boons, we're swatting a fly with a steamroller.
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He stated in his original post that he was boon shopping, I was just asking the source; please don't overreact or read into this any more than what I'm stating, Adam.
And if the source is downloading the chronicle sheets to boon shop? It's not verboten, and asking about it adds nothing constructive to the thread.
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Alright... I got a question regarding a void mark on my chronicle sheet from a scenario I played several weeks ago. We did complete the scenario and passed, and a person said "What happens if we attack the circle the supposed demon was trapped inside that looks like a goblin?" This was said after the chronicle sheets were written and passed out having our prestige points and day job rolls. The GM took the sheets back and decided that we should roll it out to see what happens. The demon got out of the circle and TPK'ed the Pathfinders playing that scenario. Was it a good call of the GM to do that or should he not marked it as Void as since we did complete the jobs? Also I noticed that the character number on my chronicle sheet is not on the Paizo website, so I am guessing that the character number that I played as is still alive and the chronicle sheet not Voided. I am not sure so please help me.
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Alright... I got a question regarding a void mark on my chronicle sheet from a scenario I played several weeks ago. We did complete the scenario and passed, and a person said "What happens if we attack the circle the supposed demon was trapped inside that looks like a goblin?" This was said after the chronicle sheets were written and passed out having our prestige points and day job rolls. The GM took the sheets back and decided that we should roll it out to see what happens. The demon got out of the circle and TPK'ed the Pathfinders playing that scenario. Was it a good call of the GM to do that or should he not marked it as Void as since we did complete the jobs? Also I noticed that the character number on my chronicle sheet is not on the Paizo website, so I am guessing that the character number that I played as is still alive and the chronicle sheet not Voided. I am not sure so please help me.
I'm not sure this is in the right thread. However, I would definitely talk to your local VC about this.
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Alright... I got a question regarding a void mark on my chronicle sheet from a scenario I played several weeks ago.
Best course of action would be to contact the GM who ran the scenario and ask him about it, or the event co-ordinator if held at a gameday or convention, or your nearest Venture-Captain or -Lieutenant should be able to make some enquiries or help out. (Ninja'ed)
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It's just that the number does not appear here in Paizo, since that is what I am trying to figure out... I do want to play her, but I kinda don't since her character number is considered unlucky and her name is Ima Goner. That's what I named her after the incident of the blurt out from one of the players at the table that I played. She told me basically to find out on Paizo if that character is alive or not, but I can not seem to find any evidence stating so for character 13.
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You will see it on your Sessions tab. If it's not there, it hasn't been entered yet. Not all scenarios are reported by the GM that ran them, and sometimes you have to wait on the Coordinator to do the online reporting. The chronicle sheet is your official record, and the GM can't dangle your character's fate in front of you and tell you "Wait and see!" It's either marked dead on the chronicle or it's not. That is your official record.
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Your profile shows only 2 PFS characters listed: Keyna and Hatsune. If this isn't one of them YOU have to create the character in your account. Once you do anything reported by the GM should show up under that character.
My understanding is that once chronicles have been handed out there is no going back, unless it's to correct an error (usually one resulting in character death). To take them back and play out a what-if wouldn't be legal, nor would writing Void on them. Definitely get in touch with the GM/VL/VC to sort this out.
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And if the source is downloading the chronicle sheets to boon shop? It's not verboten, and asking about it adds nothing constructive to the thread.
Well I look at it this way:
The guide says that a player has to tell a GM if they've played/GM'd a scenario before and that a GM is well within their rights to have that player seated at another table as we do not want foreknowledge to spoil the game for those who haven't played it yet. If the player DOES spoil it, they get kicked off the table.
A person reads the module chronicle sheets and sees a boon they want for a character. Since they already have knowledge of what the boon will be, they will play their character in the module with that knowledge in mind to try and get that boon, regardless of the flow of the game. It definitely goes against the spirit of the game (not to spoil the game for others, pg 20 of the guide), the same way reading a scenario before playing is against the spirit of the game.
IMO, things like "don't read the scenario/chronicle before you play it unless you are GMing it" or "respect another person's miniatures/dice if you borrow them" don't need to be written in the guide as they are basic rules to a table top roleplaying game. Heck, it saddens me that they had to include "Only play one character at the table" in the guide. That just seems so common sense to me.
Now, as I see it, there IS a difference between having the foreknowledge from GMing vs. foreknowledge from reading the scenario. One method uses that knowledge to contribute to the growth and fun of the players and the other uses that knowledge strictly for personal gain.
I'm not meaning to call MM out (especially if he has GM'd it), but I have heard other players comment that they read scenarios/chronicles before they play them and so I have to speak out about it on the boards.
Look at it another way: the Bonekeep scenarios cannot yet be purchased, so it cannot be read, except by a GM preparing it. The room at GenCon seemed more excited during these slots during normal scenario slots and I can't help but think it's because players have no idea what they'll encounter.
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And if the source is downloading the chronicle sheets to boon shop? It's not verboten, and asking about it adds nothing constructive to the thread.Well I look at it this way:
The guide says that a player has to tell a GM if they've played/GM'd a scenario before and that a GM is well within their rights to have that player seated at another table as we do not want foreknowledge to spoil the game for those who haven't played it yet. If the player DOES spoil it, they get kicked off the table.
A person reads the module chronicle sheets and sees a boon they want for a character. Since they already have knowledge of what the boon will be, they will play their character in the module with that knowledge in mind to try and get that boon, regardless of the flow of the game. It definitely goes against the spirit of the game (not to spoil the game for others, pg 20 of the guide), the same way reading a scenario before playing is against the spirit of the game.
IMO, things like "don't read the scenario/chronicle before you play it unless you are GMing it" or "respect another person's miniatures/dice if you borrow them" don't need to be written in the guide as they are basic rules to a table top roleplaying game. Heck, it saddens me that they had to include "Only play one character at the table" in the guide. That just seems so common sense to me.
Now, as I see it, there IS a difference between having the foreknowledge from GMing vs. foreknowledge from reading the scenario. One method uses that knowledge to contribute to the growth and fun of the players and the other uses that knowledge strictly for personal gain.
I'm not meaning to call MM out (especially if he has GM'd it), but I have heard other players comment that they read scenarios/chronicles before they play them and so I have to speak out about it on the boards.
Look at it another way: the Bonekeep scenarios cannot yet be purchased, so it cannot be read, except by a GM preparing it. The room at GenCon seemed...
Then there shouldn't be access to things like prestige classes, etc., things that you can build your character towards, on chronicles.
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What if I have two concepts it would work for? What if I want to play for every chronicle I attach to a given character, even if I GM? There are people on these boards who have said they prefer that method.
What if I miss the opportunity for a character that a Boon would be perfect for because of not knowing what scenario to play in?
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There are boons in season 5 dependent on who you decide to back. Lots of different choices. If you pick a scenario based on which boon you want, you've already decided who you are going to get behind, regardless of their motives. This affects the faction war. I guess you are only spoiling things for yourself, but there is high probability that by doing this you will affect the outcome of your table. Just don't do it. Allow boons and the game to be a surprise for yourself.
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I don't like it when a player reads the boons ahead of time. I had a player tell me about the boon in Feast of Sigils before I ran it (he still hasn't played it, I ran it at a con for a different group of players) and it didn't sit well with me. But, it's not my place to police player knowledge that doesn't interfere with the game.
Now, if a player uses their OOC knowledge in a way that disrupts the group, then I have no problem calling them out and even asking them to leave the table.
Looking at the treasure ahead of time seem like more of an issue with LFR players. I've had players tell me before "Oh, I've been looking forward to playing this one. It's got great treasure." but as far as I know I've never had a player read the scenario. Or at least they were good at keeping OOC knowledge out of play.
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I'm not meaning to call MM out (especially if he has GM'd it), but I have heard other players comment that they read scenarios/chronicles before they play them and so I have to speak out about it on the boards.
Or people talk about the chronicles they've seen other people with. IE, someone shows up with a faerie dragon and people ask "Ooo where'd you get that?"
Or someone on the forums mentions a nifty boon that they got in XXX.