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So obviously, a lot of us want to put sleeves on our cards, for a variety of reasons - card protection, being able to write on the sleeves instead of the cards, printing typos corrections to put inside the sleeves, ease of shuffling for small decks, and I'm sure I'm missing at least one other reason that someone will come up with.
The problem is that the main box layout seems to be designed to exactly fit all of the cards in the adventure path, when they're not sleeved. Obviously, with sleeves, Paizo's published recommendation for how to section off the various card types quickly falls apart.
As for the whole thing, I could rant about this for a while, too. They've got all these sections for cards, and a whole lot of wasted space where people are supposed to keep the original packaging for the add ons, sitting diagonally. The box is tall enough for those add on packages to stand upright, if they'd put spaces for them that way, so that whole section is just a ton of wasted space. If it had been designed better, all of the sections for holding the cards could have been MUCH larger, so they could easily fit all of the cards for the entire adventure path, even if they were sleeved.
And why didn't Paizo see the sleeves issue coming? They obviously put a lot of effort into the box design and making sure there were specific spots for each type of card. As a gaming company that attends GenCon and other gaming conventions every year, you'd think they'd have noticed the popularity of card sleeves among serious gamers at some point. It's not like it's just a small number of people who sleeve their cards. One look at any MtG game night at any gaming store in America would have told them that.
So how is everybody handling this?
From what I can tell, there aren't enough cards for the problem to be major yet, so it's possible that people are still playing along with Paizo's recommended box layout, even with sleeves. It's tight enough now that I'm sure once part 2 of the adventure path hits, that will no longer be possible.
I'm figuring I'll probably buy a card storage box from my local game shop, along with some dividers to section off the types of cards, and just use those instead. Hopefully, I can find some that fit in the original game box once I remove the poorly designed plastic card holder that the game comes with.
Any other thoughts? Specific card box sizes I should be looking for? I'm just assuming they sell dividers for those card boxes, too, though I've never specifically looked. I could make my own dividers, if necessary.
Sooner or later the game will outgrow the main box.
So, I'll sleeve my cards and eventually put them into strage boxs. You can get different sizes, so no probs for various options.
Just need some dividers to divide various sections if required.
I don't have a prob at the momemnt, but I will just do the above when required.
I'm for putting the cards in sleeves.
All the best.
Great Uncle LROG
I for one feel that the design of the box is brilliant. Yes I do agree that they should have thought of the sleeve issue, and maybe they did. But as most of my friends play Magic as well as many of the card/board games (Elder Sign and Acension are big) and none of us feel the need to sleeve these games.
Paizo seems to be assuming that people will love the game but not feel the need to protect it for collection/resale purposes like Magic and other CCGs. I think this is accurate of many of the players, though not all. For those that feel the need to sleeve the cards, there are options that you can use for yourself, but those like us, it does appear that the whole collection of all the Rise Of The Runelord game path will fit within that box, easy for travel or storage. To me that is important too.
Thanks to Paizo for making a great product, there may be a few bumps but I'm sure they'll be fixed on the next set.
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I agree that the box design is brilliant...but I'm still sleeving and using a different storage option. The quality of the printing on these cards isn't really all that great, to be quite honest, and I believe they could use the extra protection.
Also, I'd really hate to see those cool, rare, and potentially expensive promo cards damaged.
The promo cards are an exception and I am not sure what I intend to do with them. I do have two sets of the first two so I will use 1 set in the game with the other set aside, but the rest I am still thinking on. Especially the grindilow, can't wait to see that one.
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The promo cards are an exception and I am not sure what I intend to do with them. I do have two sets of the first two so I will use 1 set in the game with the other set aside, but the rest I am still thinking on. Especially the grindilow, can't wait to see that one.
I've been putting the promo cards in the Loot slot (along with the one current Loot card) until it's time to put them in the decks themselves.
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I actually think that's a big part of my complaint - the box design is pretty good, if you're not using sleeves. Which makes it that much worse that sleeve use wasn't taken into account.
But I still think the diagonal slots for the add on packs is wasted space. Stand them upright, and you can fit more of other things. Or have a smaller box, since the base box is pretty big, with a lot of wasted space.
Another thing to consider is the Character deck slots.
The original Base game was set up for 4 players, but you have 6 characters, so no probs with having characters resting from one game.
Now, along comes the Character Add On pack and now you have 10 characters and still only a max of 6 character deck slots.
So you need space for those decks.
Plus what about the future expansions?
All the best.
Great Uncle LROG
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Well, you aren't supposed to have character decks assembled for every character at the same time. If you do, you won't have enough boon cards left to create location decks when you play scenarios. Only keep the character decks together when you're using them. This is why there's 6 slots in the box - there's a maximum of 6 character decks in use at one time.
So that part I don't have a problem with at all.
But I still think the diagonal slots for the add on packs is wasted space. Stand them upright, and you can fit more of other things. Or have a smaller box, since the base box is pretty big, with a lot of wasted space.
I really don't understand why all that space is wasted for the original expansion boxes. If you want to separate out the cards again, why not just put dividers in each section? Or just tell people to put the Adventure 3 cards at the back of the relevant section when playing Adventure 2? Is anybody really going to take them out of their decks then put them back in the boxes?
Personally, I use that space to store my awesome standees and box of extra dice.
But if they'd dropped that space in favour of bigger-slots-with-dividers then sleeved cards wouldn't have been an issue.
Well, you aren't supposed to have character decks assembled for every character at the same time. If you do, you won't have enough boon cards left to create location decks when you play scenarios. Only keep the character decks together when you're using them. This is why there's 6 slots in the box - there's a maximum of 6 character decks in use at one time.
@paganeagle - I find this is really important to the game balance so make sure you don't have too many decks built at once!
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I like the box design. I feel it is a little cumbersome though. It doesn't fit in my backpack like the rest of my games. But oh well. I will say that I have all but the Burnt Offerings cards sleeved and they fit fine. The blessings deck slot is a little tight, but they fit with a little wiggle room.
With the slots for the various add-on deck boxes I get the feeling that once you're done with a particular AP chapter you're supposed to pack it back up and put it in it's box and pull the next one out. This is what I'll be doing.
Yes, once RotRL is done the box will be full. I get the feeling though that the next AP will have a similar brand new full box, with more characters, probably the APG,UM, and UC classes, blessings, items, loot and new pre-AP adventure.
With the slots for the various add-on deck boxes I get the feeling that once you're done with a particular AP chapter you're supposed to pack it back up and put it in it's box and pull the next one out. This is what I'll be doing.
Not quite...
There are details on the AP card (which I don't have in front of me), but I think it's something like "When on Adventure #4 remove all the Basic and Adventure #1 cards from the decks"
In other words, you won't just remove #1 when you're playing #2.
Only keep the character decks together when you're using them. This is why there's 6 slots in the box - there's a maximum of 6 character decks in use at one time.@paganeagle - I find this is really important to the game balance so make sure you don't have too many decks built at once!
And without the character addon you're only supposed to have a maximum of 4 decks built at the same time.
Good point, but who on Earth doesn't have the add-on? Adventuring without Lini is a hollow shell.
I don't. Since my LGS only ordered 2 addon packs and I was not fast enough... :[
I was lucky enough to get my base set and add on pack at the same time, but the shop here in the UK only had 2 base sets and add on packs in the store at that time. I went back later for some dice and the other had gone.
All the best.
Great Uncle LROG
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But I still think the diagonal slots for the add on packs is wasted space. Stand them upright, and you can fit more of other things. Or have a smaller box, since the base box is pretty big, with a lot of wasted space.
You've said that before, but I'm confused... If you stood them up, the box would need to be an inch or so taller.
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But I still think the diagonal slots for the add on packs is wasted space. Stand them upright, and you can fit more of other things. Or have a smaller box, since the base box is pretty big, with a lot of wasted space.You've said that before, but I'm confused... If you stood them up, the box would need to be an inch or so taller.
The only part of the add-on boxes that's taller than the base set box is the little flap on the top that stores use to hang it from a hook. Fold that flap down, and it's exactly the height of the cards it contains, just like the base set box.
Or you could just stack the add on boxes horizontally inside the base set box. Either way, it wastes less space than the current setup.
I have sleeved mine and removed the adventure pack from its box, taping the cards until needed(bondage tape , much cheaper than magic tape and interesting visit to shop included).
The box is far too large to take to club sessions, so I transferred the cards to a smaller box. (I have two of the recent Star Trek deck building games and they fit in one box ,So I have a spare).
I printed the dividers from the pdf on BGG and the full game takes up one whole side so I have half a box for the remaining 5 expansions.
The Big Box was a great idea but for me its just not practical, too big for my home storage unit and too big to carry around easily.
I've noticed that my cards are getting small "chips" along the edges after a few weeks of use. And we're pretty gentle (I don't even allow regular shuffling). I don't sleeve, but I think this game requires it.
And I initially loved the box layout, but now I'm with those disappointed that the insert doesn't work well with sleeving.
I hope some thought is given to this in the next Base Set. I'd much rather just keep my expansion boxes on a shelf and have all those slots available to help with sleeving space.
The card quality almost requires sleeving to keep them in great shape. And this is such a great game I want to preserve the card quality as long as I can.