Character Folio - Re-rolls

[Felix Gaunt]

Can I buy like 6 extra Character Folio's and lend them to PC's to use as a re-roll if they don't have one of their own? I was thinking of doing this as the GM, but I guess it could also apply to someone I'm playing with. What can I say, I'm a nice GM. lol I would of course encourage the PC's to buy one themselves since I wouldn't always be around to help them out. :P

[Jiggy]

Sounds like great marketing to me. :) Just make sure you distribute them at the start of the game, rather than pulling them out as needed.

[Hobbun]

Yes, you are a very generous GM. :)

But in answer to your question, I don’t see why not. As long as they keep the folios on the table in view. Mike has said he wants the folios on the table so others may see that and say “Oh, what’s that?” where they may possibly purchase a folio of their own.

But as far as I can tell, what you want to do is completely legal.

[Netopalis]

I always keep some folios on hand for player rerolls at low level tables.

[Sniggevert]

I currently have 4 copies of the folio that I do this with at most of my tables. Sometimes I forget, or everyone already appears to have a reroll already, so I don't, but in general it goes over well with the players, and its led to a few players buying one after the games were over.

[Chris Mortika]

Felix, you rock.

(So do Netopalis and Sniggevert!!)

[Scott Yauger]

I've noticed an increase in GM volunteers since the 'add your star(s) to the re-roll' rule change. The plus 4 straight up saved my PC from phantasmal killer *smiles* Most people seem to have a folio now a days but I do keep a spare for the newest players.

[Mike Tuholski]

I've always been torn about re-rolls in PFS. In my homegame of Reign of Winter I straight-out don't allow them. But of course I have to relent to the rules of PFS when I GM for Society.

I think it's a great marketing tool, and of course I want to support Paizo in any way possible. If allowing re-rolls from owning certain products brings in more money, then it's definitely a smart move for Paizo.

My discomfort comes from allowing someone to pay to do what another player had to spend a feat(s) or special ability on. If someone actually took the trouble to take Iron Will and then Improved Iron Will, bravo to them. They have earned a reroll on a Will save once a day to represent their character's overpowering willpower. However, Improved Iron Will and similar feats/abilities have essentially become worthless in PFS because rather than wasting a feat on it you could just buy a folio and get (practically) the same benefit (if not an ever greater benefit).

I am not pleading Paizo to change the rule. I understand that it's a good business decision. And I admit to having used rerolls from my volunteer shirts before (only in life-or-death matters, of course), but I always felt uncomfortable doing so. It just feels too much like cheating for me.

I think that from now on I'm just going to let the dice do their work, even if means my character dies. That's part of the nature of the game, after all. And sometimes the better stories result when you leave the dice where they lie.

I'm not preaching for anyone else (especially Paizo) to change their behavior concerning rerolls. These are just my personal opinions about the reroll system as it stands.

[kinevon]

Mike, it does not invalidate Improved Iron Will/Improved Fortitude/Improved Lightning Reflexes, since those not only give a reroll, but they also improve the base save itself.

Also, they give specific, additional rerolls.

And, with other abilities, like the Witch Hex Fortune, you can get a lot more than one reroll a game.

Shirt/folio
IIW
IF
ILR

Fortune (especially with cackle)

Halfling's Luck or some such.
Luck Domain?

I believe that there is a class ability that lets you pre-roll a d20, and hold it for use ata time of your choice, which can be one of the strongest abilities in the game. (Holding a 20? Bless Weapon, evil target, auto-crit.)

[Finlanderboy]

Mike Tuholski wrote:

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I disagree. A reroll is once per scenario. They can get pinged and repinged with will saves through out. Someone ignoring will saves will pay for it even with rerolls. Just because you survive that first harpy song does not mean you will survive the next 3.

[LazarX]

Felix Gaunt wrote:

Can I buy like 6 extra Character Folio's and lend them to PC's to use as a re-roll if they don't have one of their own? I was thinking of doing this as the GM, but I guess it could also apply to someone I'm playing with. What can I say, I'm a nice GM. lol I would of course encourage the PC's to buy one themselves since I wouldn't always be around to help them out. :P

There's nothing wrong with that. Players are still limited to one reroll per session.

[Michael Meunier]

As a GM who does this occasionally, I'm cool with this. However, I should point out that after doing this for a player, my store promptly sold folios to 4 people at that table.

More on that:

Dang that basilisk in 4-07 is a great marketing tool

[Eric Saxon]

I sell it to my players if the store doesn't have it and turn to the owner and say, "Hey, can you order me another one?" LOL.

[Mike Tuholski]

Finlanderboy wrote:

Mike Tuholski wrote:

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I disagree. A reroll is once per scenario. They can get pinged and repinged with will saves through out. Someone ignoring will saves will pay for it even with rerolls. Just because you survive that first harpy song does not mean you will survive the next 3.

It's not rerolls I have a problem with; it's the additional rerolls introduced by the folio/shirt rule. It's adding an additional reroll to the game that a character would not normally get. How often does a reroll change the course of the game completely i.e. prevent character death, prevent domination/fascination, etc.? If they didn't have that reroll, they might have failed on the first harpy song and that could have made all the difference to the combat. If they earned that reroll through a class feature (such as the ones listed by kinevon), I have no problem with it. Those rerolls are written as part of the game. Folio/shirt rerolls, however, are allowing people to pay for something they couldn't normally do. It's analogous to saying "if you buy X product, your character gets an extra feat".

I'm not harping (sorry) on anyone else who uses rerolls, I just don't feel right using them. If I want a character to have rerolls, I will build them with one of the feats or abilities listed by kinevon above. If they don't have those abilities, I prefer to let the dice do their work and if I get a nat 1 on a Will save I will pay the consequences. I just think it's more fair that way.