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Several questions about this type of armor I'd like clarified:
1) Special materials: In the description, it's a leather coat with metal plates sewn in. From what I've found so far, everyone opts for something like darkleaf, but can something like Elysian Bronze be used in the plates for a bonus? Maybe stack like Eelhide and Elysian Bronze?
2) Stacking armor: I remember reading somewhere about stacking armor where the best AC is used and the worst of everything else applies. I can't dig up the rest of the info from that, so here's the hypothetical--If you're wearing an Eelhide armored coat and an adamantine chain shirt, do you get only the electricity resistance or both effects?
2b) Stacking enchantments: Is my assumption right that only the outermost layer's enchantment effect is applied?
For 2B: yes, only the outer most layer applies. It states as such at the end of the armored coat description I believe.
2(A?): Part of me would like to use the precedent of the enhancements to say that you shouldn't get the under armor's benefits...but with adamantine, one would logically think it would still just stay there being resistant to damage. So I will refrain from any real comment either way.
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For the first one, my rule of thumb is that if it counts as metals for druids not being able to wear it, it counts as metal for special materials.
RAW, you cannot stack special material effects. You can make them with double special materials, but it doesn't really do anything.
If you make a suit of armor or weapon out of more than one special material, you get the benefit of only the most prevalent material.
Referenced the relevant part. That answers question 1.
Question 2: The RAW says when equipping the Coat, you take the best AC of the two you wear, and the worst of everything else. As far as Special Material Effects are concerned, I'd refer to the former link, and the Piecemeal Armor rules for guidance. Since we're talking about combined armor, you would only receive the effects of one armor, (though I would personally rule you get to choose which one is active at one time, yet RAW says its generally) the last armor item you equipped (in this case, the Armored Coat).
I hope that helps.
I thought that once you added the armored kilt, it was all treated as one suit, not separate pieces.
Ah. I thought the kilt was being added to the coat.
If you add the kilt to some other armor, the base armor's stats are modified.
Then you put the armored coat on. You treat it as if you had put it over any other armor. That is, if worn over other armor, use the better AC bonus and worse value in all other categories; an armored coat has no effect if worn with heavy armor.
For example, if you added the kilt to studded leather, the studded leather would be treated as medium armor, weigh a little extra, and protect a little more.
When you throw the armored coat over that, you use the better AC and worse values for everything else.
Simple.
The armored kilt does not say it changes the speed at which armor is adorned or removed, so it doesn't.
You simply increase the AC, weight, and weight class--nothing else.
There's no official rules for, say, stacking Mithral and Dark Leaf on an armored coat. Unfortunately, it's up to the GM which is the 'more prevalent' bits, the metal or the leather.
My own personal rule in my games for this combo is, if you take both dark leaf and mithral, you use the mithral hardness and it counts as light armor, but you get the dark leaf modifications to ACP and Max Dex Mod, not the mithral. But that's more just a 'feels right' than anything else.
Strict Raw, the GM would need to decide if it's mostly leather, or mostly metal plates, with regards to what actually protects you (note most full plate has a lot of leather and cloth on it, but it's the metal that does most of the protecting, not the leather and cloth).
It would be seriously heavy, but yeah.
So, you could wear your Armored Coat/Kilt combo, over your Armored Kilt?
I think you could do a silken ceremonial or padded armor + kilt, and then wear a kilt/coat combo over it, but I don't know why you would. The kilt would only really count for one or the other, you couldnt' double count the kilt, since it only adds to the piece of armor it's on, not to all armor. Just be a lot of weight to carry around.
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So, Summarizing the answers would be:
1) Only one special materiel is allowed, and the Armored Coat counts as metal for available crafting
2a) When layering special materiel armor, only the most voluminous armor counts as per piecemeal armor rules, I.E. biggest, heaviest piece is applied. Best AC bonus counts, all other penalties largest counts.
2b) When layering armor, the outermost layer enchantment effect applies and the AC bonus only applies to the enchanted AC value.
Does that sound about right?
Sounds correct to me.
I'd rule that the PC gets to choose which enchantment bonuses are applied (if there are enchantments on both the actual armor and the attachment to it), but RAW would point towards the outermost being applicable instead of the PC's choice.
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I'm interested in this Magical Elysian Bronze armored coat that they supposedly have on their website. I didn't realize such things were available IRL.
I am thinking of creating a rather physically strong Spirit Dancer Medium with a level of Fighter. It has occurred to me that the best armor combination for this character might be an armored coat with an armored kilt attached (which would make up heavy armor with an armor bonus of +5) worn over a haramaki. This character could then quickly strip down to the haramaki to cast arcane spells with no risk of spell failure and then just as quickly put that armor back on for physical combat.
I guess we'll need a new "Combat Stripping" feat to speed up coat+kilt removal.
I guess we'll need a new "Combat Stripping" feat to speed up coat+kilt removal.
I don't know that it has to be a feat. Maybe it could just be a Skill check for acrobatics or Perform: Dance.....
A move action is fast enough for me. Remember that a Spirit Dancer Medium still needs to wait a minute between spirits, so one who just cast an arcane spell won't be getting his full spirit bonus and séance boon added to attack and damage rolls.