The Legend of Korra Season 2


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So long as there's an in-series justification that makes a degree of sense for them, I don't have an issue with the new bending offshoots. I'm waiting for them to give an explanation of how Unalaq can do what he does before I cry foul.


Loved it. Really love the twins. Then again I just watched gunbuster vs diebuster, so I've got twins on the brain.

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I'm a twin, I thought the twins were ok, funny in their own way, and a pretty good foil for Bolin. I just hope they don't go with the "evil twins" trope like they did in A:TLA. But poor Bolin didn't know what he's gotten himself in for!

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I like how Korra had to rely on herself to open the spirit gate, and the revelation of the background between her father and uncle...but the "secret princess" aspect of their background irked me. If her dad is the "rightful (banished) king of the North" that makes her a secret princess. Why? Who says they have to follow the right of primogeniture? Who says the Avatar can't be some working-class kid but has to be related to a chief? But it does bring up the intriguing possibility that Korra is related to Yue, who has the whole "spirit" thing down cold.

I also hope the B plot with Asami ends up tying into the A plot. They've already hinted at a C plot with Tenzin and his kids at the air temple, but I hope Asami gets more screen time.
So, I enjoyed the first ep of season 2, even if I had some minor nitpicks.


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So far Korra being kind-of a princess doesn't factor into the storyline at all, aside from just existing, so I wouldn't fret about it. Nobody mentions it as special, nobody treats her differently because of it.


Being the avatar is a lot more important then being royalty.

I love it so far especially the twins and Tenzin's siblings.

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The music continues to be phenomenal!

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So I finally watched the first two episodes and I'm happy with everything so far. I just hope they don't pull a season one and make Korra's uncle the sudden surprise bad guy. I have a sneaking suspicion that he may very well be tied in with the current spirit problems. In that he may very well be instigating them to get Korra on his side and then manipulate her into doing his bidding. It would be too much like the water tribe councilman from season one. Further I have a theory on Korra's cousins.

Korra's Cousins theory:
I have a sneaky suspicion that they may very well be spirits inhabiting human bodies. It would explain the weird and off putting factor. And why they don't completely know human customs. Yes, we have Yuwe who had a portion of the Moon spirit in her to give her life. But this is slightly different. I think the twins are completely dead and so Korra's uncle somehow bound spirits to his children's bodies and those spirits now inhabit them. I know, crazy theory. But usually in these types of stories, the weird characters are usually that way for a reason.

As for what Rynjin said, I agree. Chi Bending also draws from Japanese mythos in that they have 5 elements, earth, air, water, fire, and void, or spirit/chi/soul. The Lion Turtle speaks about in the ancient days they bended not the elements but the void or their own natural energies. The Lion Turtle taught him this and thus I have no qualms with Aang using it as there is traditional/myth background for it.


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As for what Rynjin said, I agree. Chi Bending also draws from Japanese mythos in that they have 5 elements, earth, air, water, fire, and void, or spirit/chi/soul. The Loin Turtle speaks about in the ancient days they bended not the elements but the void or their own natural energies. The Lion Turtle taught him this and thus I have no qualms with Aang using it as there is traditional/myth background for it.

Heh. Emphasis mine.

But very good post. Interesting theory...

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Daethor wrote:
Madclaw wrote:


As for what Rynjin said, I agree. Chi Bending also draws from Japanese mythos in that they have 5 elements, earth, air, water, fire, and void, or spirit/chi/soul. The Loin Turtle speaks about in the ancient days they bended not the elements but the void or their own natural energies. The Lion Turtle taught him this and thus I have no qualms with Aang using it as there is traditional/myth background for it.

Heh. Emphasis mine.

But very good post. Interesting theory...

Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed.


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They might as well have put a giant neon arrow over Unalaqs head with the letters "villain" flashing in glowing pink letters. Which means that he is a misdirection. Although he still might be a well-intentioned extremist who will go too far to do what he believes is right.

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Dragon78 wrote:
So who is excited about season 2 of Korra?

Second Season she is coming under the influence of Religious fanatics who are doing their level best to turn Avatars into a 'Jesus' category entity - even though Avatars go off and have families and children. They have been wiping the truth from existence and building a 'religion' around the Avatar - They will probably try and Kill Katara's Son - him being the Son of Avatar Aang.


Yellowdingo is this just a theory or have you heard this somewhere?

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Dragon78 wrote:
Yellowdingo is this just a theory or have you heard this somewhere?

The Whole Priests vs the Truth that the Avatar has Families has been there since the Air Bender legend of Aang series.

Unalaq wants Korra to be the Spirtual Leader of the Southern Water Tribe which violates her role as a more Multicultural Representation.

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[citation needed]


I've heard this weird theory from you before. I think it makes wonderful fanfiction.

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Korra's uncle and that bit at the end I saw coming from a mile away. Has a Crusade feel to it. I am curious what the repercussions for Korra's misuse of the Avatar State will be. Perhaps that is where the plot line with Jinora is heading, with her having a spiritual encounter with the First Avatar (who is supposed to be showing up this season, if I recall correctly).

Also, Meelo is not nearly as creepy as he was in the first season. Though I guess with the twins around, he doesn't have to be.


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I'm surprised that none of you caught this one...

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The Southern Spirit Gate was deliberately sealed. That wasn't the ice of time and age and neglect creeping in over the forest, and the gate wasn't under ten feet of ice just from time having passed. Take a good look at the area surrounding the gate - it was deliberately shaped and enclosed. There was a deliberate pathway to the gate, and the "gate room" was just that - a room. Crafted.

And the only way to unlock it was by tapping into it with the Avatar State.

I'm really thinking a previous Avatar - Possibly Avatar Wan, but potentially the last Water Avatar (Kuruk, who was, ironically, from the Northern Tribe) - sealed that bad boy away for a reason. And it's entirely possible... probable, even... that this is going to be Nothing But Bad (tm) for the Southern Tribe.

Just my two otter-penguins, mind you, but there you go.

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Yeah have to agree with both Blayde and Jem.


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Well, as for this last episode, the series isn't going anywhere near those ideas. So we'll have to see if they bear out. Any immediate consequences of the spirit portal opening aren't happening right now and I am not seeing consequences of Korra "misusing" the Avatar state.

As for this episode, the split between Korra's and Tenzin's story was very noticeable, although they both connect to the episode title, Civil Wars. While Korra is dealing with nominally having to stay neutral in the conflict of the northern and southern water tribe and getting over her being disgruntled with her father, the second story focuses on the conflict between Tenzin and his siblings.

Personally I thought Korra's story was more interesting, with Unalaq being the well-intentioned extremist I thought him to be (even with the ending, where next week we'll probably hear that Varrik fingered Tonraq and Senna as co-conspirators to somehow save his bacon). I liked how Korra got over her personal problems with her parents at the end.

On Tenzin's front, it has been made clear now that Aang wasn't the perfect parent most people wanted him to be. I'm sure that lead to cries of bloody murder from many fans, but I quite like that it shows how Aang continued to be a fallible human being, under high pressure to do his duties as the Avatar and having problems doing his duty to his family at the same time. I hope his marriage to Katara didn't also suffer for this.

Facial animations still are below par compared to season one, but I noticed this less and less as the episode went on. Fighting animations were very good and Korra continues to kick ass. :)

Very pumped for next week!


I too liked the reveal that Aang was a less than stellar father. After the first series hammered into you the idea that "People make mistakes. People fail. Even good people." it's nice to see they didn't chuck that out the window just because the guy was dead and a hero.

I might have taken a bit of offense had he, say, been an ABUSIVE parent (because that would be WILDLY out of character for Aang) but neglectful to the children that can't fully understand the culture he grew up in (one which was dying when he tried to revitalize it, and had a child who "needed" to be groomed to carry on the legacy)? Yeah I can see that.

Though if the comics are any indication, his marriage to Katara was likely sickeningly sweet half the time, and unbearably kickass the other half.

As for the animation, it's no real surprise the fight scenes are so good. That's what this studio DOES (two of the most popular anime they've done are Yu Yu Hakusho and Naruto, for reference). And I honestly haven't noticed an issue with the facial animations either. Maybe I'm just forgetting how good they were in the first season, or maybe I'm just blind (quite possible) but they look just as good as ever to me.


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Just watch the first episode of season one again (or just the first ten minutes), you'll see the difference immediately.

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Rynjin wrote:

I too liked the reveal that Aang was a less than stellar father. After the first series hammered into you the idea that "People make mistakes. People fail. Even good people." it's nice to see they didn't chuck that out the window just because the guy was dead and a hero.

Avatars seldom make good parents or spouses. Roku died childless, Kyoshi, a spinster from what we can tell. Aang was most likely not deliberately abusive a father, he was simply one man who had an impossible load on his shoulders...(the rebuilding of much of the world after the 100 years war, with all of the political headaches that came attendant to it. Also keep in mind that as Avatars go, he died very young, having used up most of his longevity sealed in the Avatar state in an iceberg.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Yellowdingo is this just a theory or have you heard this somewhere?

I'm waiting for YD to write a petition on it.

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yellowdingo wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Yellowdingo is this just a theory or have you heard this somewhere?

The Whole Priests vs the Truth that the Avatar has Families has been there since the Air Bender legend of Aang series.

Unalaq wants Korra to be the Spirtual Leader of the Southern Water Tribe which violates her role as a more Multicultural Representation.

That's never been the Avatar's role. The role of the Avatar is to keep balance in the world and to serve as the bridge between the Mortal and Spirit worlds. It's really hard to dispute Unalaq's argument that the Southern Tribe is seriously out of balance with the spirit world. One really only has to go back to the Water Book to see the vast differences between the two Water tribes, the South having lost most of it's culture and spirit knowledge, due to taking a century's worth of hammering from the Fire Nation's war of aggression.

If taking the Spiritual reigns of the Southern Tribe is the means to get it done, it's perfectly in line with the Avatar's responsibilities to do so.


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yellowdingo wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Yellowdingo is this just a theory or have you heard this somewhere?

The Whole Priests vs the Truth that the Avatar has Families has been there since the Air Bender legend of Aang series.

Unalaq wants Korra to be the Spirtual Leader of the Southern Water Tribe which violates her role as a more Multicultural Representation.

That's never been the Avatar's role. The role of the Avatar is to keep balance in the world and to serve as the bridge between the Mortal and Spirit worlds. It's really hard to dispute Unalaq's argument that the Southern Tribe is seriously out of balance with the spirit world. One really only has to go back to the Water Book to see the vast differences between the two Water tribes, the South having lost most of it's culture and spirit knowledge, due to taking a century's worth of hammering from the Fire Nation's war of aggression.

If taking the Spiritual reigns of the Southern Tribe is the means to get it done, it's perfectly in line with the Avatar's responsibilities to do so.

I....dunno. for all the talk of thr bridge between the spirit world and the physical one, past avatars have been shown to be more interested in caring for the mundane world than the spirit one. Even aang was more interested in creating harmony in the mundane world by stopping the fire lord. I don't think yd is absolutely correct, but I think his point stands.

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I....dunno. for all the talk of thr bridge between the spirit world and the physical one, past avatars have been shown to be more interested in caring for the mundane world than the spirit one. Even aang was more interested in creating harmony in the mundane world by stopping the fire lord. I don't think yd is absolutely correct, but I think his point stands.

Speaking of mundane vs. spirits, I really really hope Avatar Kuruk makes an appearance with the other past avatars, as does Koh the Face Stealer, (I mean, come on, Book 2 is "Spirits"! He has to show his face in this one!) and they bring back Erik Todd Dellums to do Koh's voice!

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So the Tenzin and family story gets bumped to the B story Line...apparently Aang was a sucky dad.

Of course he was - they continue to not understand that all benders are descended from the Avatar. This means it is the children of the Avatar that refresh the Bender power genome with each generation - and it means that when the Avatar doesn't have children - like with the Air benders who turned Air bender after Air bender into Monk they undermined the continuity of Airbenders.

So Avatar - the Spiritual/political leader is the incorrect belief system that undermines the future - and Avatar the Parent of the next generation perpetuates it.


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Looking around the different forums which discuss the series, I am getting more than a bit annoyed how many people are just condemning Korra for her behaviour, declaring Unalaq to be clearly a villain (often citing now the scene where he sits in the throne room and is one quarter in shadow as being similar to how Emperor Palpatine looks on his throne) and so on.

Aside from this only being episode three and character arcs still being set up for later in the season, I think Korra's annoyed behaviour with Tenzin and Tonraq was mostly justified, because of them being responsible for placing her isolated in that compound for most of her life, when avatars are supposed to travel the world.

And as for Unalaq and especially that scene in the throne room, I think the shadow, which very clearly was placed over his upper torse and head, was to show that his mind is shadowed, i.e. that he is mostly on the side of the good guys but his decisions are unsound and/or his mind is clouded. Maybe a hint that the dark spirits are influencing him? It would make sense that someone who can influence those dark spirits might be influenced back by them (if that turns out to be the case, I'll happily point back later to this post. :p)?


I agree with you magnuskn, besides last I heard the main villain of season 2 is supposed to be a dark spirit voiced by Grey Delisle.


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Thanks. :) My annoyance with some of the fanbase aside, I am incredibly pumped for the upcoming episodes. It's definitely one of the best, if not the best animated western show I know, even more in line with my sensibilities than Avatar was.

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Yeah, I'm with you for the most part there. It's why I tend to avoid fan communities for most things I enjoy - best way to ruin the experience of something is the fandom, nine times out of ten.


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Yeah, this is the same fandom that crucified poor Asami for the love triangle last season. I'm...not gonna get into that, but suffice to say, I also tend to shy away from the major fan forums for anything I enjoy.

I hadn't heard the bit about Grey DeLisle, but that should be neat. Hoping she doesn't just use Azula's voice again; girl's got quite a range.


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Well, sometimes you can build an incredible community if you get together with like-minded fans. Happened to me for a good few years with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Macross Frontier and now here with Paizo.

Other times, the fan community is so incredibly toxic that you have to shy away from it like from fire, like with the Comic Book Resources X-Men forums (which sadly is the only X-Men fan community with some decent traffic I know at the point).

TLOK fandom sadly seems to be more pointed towards the second spectrum.


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Other times, the fan community is so incredibly toxic that you have to shy away from it like from fire, like with the Comic Book Resources X-Men forums

I'm convinced half the posters there hate the X-Men comics, at least judging by the posts they make. Very few people there talk about what they liked about anything, just trash whatever character they dislike.


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Yeah, it's like a legion of trolls are roaming the land there, clashing in battles about their character fiefdoms, like you've described. There can be some good discussion for a few posts, but normally somebody threadcraps immediately.


I'm not so sure the southern portal was "sealed" by an avater, given the timeframe Korra's uncle gave. He said it happened during the war, which was while Aang was alive. It may be that the spirits themselves sealed it in order to make the southern tribe work to regain their trust.

I also felt like her uncle was far too blatantly "evil" to be the actual badguy. It might be the recurring theme from last season of a guy with good intentions gone too far, but so far I'm not really sure.

I also agree with you Magnus, I think Korra's feelings towards Tenzin and her father are wholly justified. Although her father is a bit left-field at this point, it was a bit of a build up all last season that she didn't like being confined as the Avatar, and after she was informed about how the Avatar had always been free to wander and learn in the past, it's only natural that she would use that as a reason to leave, since they could no longer keep that hidden from her.

I'm a little saddened by the fact that so many spoilers for the season were leaked early, and so I know a great deal about what is to come (like who the statue is that Tenzin's daughter found) and so forth, but I'm still really looking forward to the rest of the season.


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Well, contrary to most other shows I'll definitely not go spoiler hunting this time around. This is one show where I hope to get surprised. :)


magnuskn wrote:
Yeah, it's like a legion of trolls are roaming the land there, clashing in battles about their character fiefdoms, like you've described. There can be some good discussion for a few posts, but normally somebody threadcraps immediately.

When trollthreads are started by moderators there isn't any hope for real discussion.


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Aye, very true.

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Dragon78 wrote:
I agree with you magnuskn, besides last I heard the main villain of season 2 is supposed to be a dark spirit voiced by Grey Delisle.

You realize these Spirits are 'Avatars' who pursued Spiritual Power...like Koh.


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yellowdingo wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
I agree with you magnuskn, besides last I heard the main villain of season 2 is supposed to be a dark spirit voiced by Grey Delisle.
You realize these Spirits are 'Avatars' who pursued Spiritual Power...like Koh.

Cite your sources. Your rampant speculation disguised as a greater knowledge of the show than even the creators possess does you a discredit.

Unless of course you're simply trying to egg us on, in which case, do continue.


yellowdingo wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
I agree with you magnuskn, besides last I heard the main villain of season 2 is supposed to be a dark spirit voiced by Grey Delisle.
You realize these Spirits are 'Avatars' who pursued Spiritual Power...like Koh.

that would be damn interesting. But I doubt it.


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Well, sometimes you can build an incredible community if you get together with like-minded fans. Happened to me for a good few years with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Macross Frontier and now here with Paizo.

Other times, the fan community is so incredibly toxic that you have to shy away from it like from fire, like with the Comic Book Resources X-Men forums (which sadly is the only X-Men fan community with some decent traffic I know at the point).

TLOK fandom sadly seems to be more pointed towards the second spectrum.

I am willing to put aside my (some would say irrational) hatred of buffy aside to embrace one who loves macross frontier. Cant get enough of that series or the music.


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I'm not so sure the southern portal was "sealed" by an avater, given the timeframe Korra's uncle gave. He said it happened during the war, which was while Aang was alive. It may be that the spirits themselves sealed it in order to make the southern tribe work to regain their trust.

He did say that. And he may believe he's right (and he might actually BE right!). But he could also be wrong. Just because something is said with conviction does not automatically make it true.

And wouldn't it be an interesting revelation if we discovered that he had been assuming that his information was correct this entire time - and that like all well-intentioned near-villains, he was merely doing what he thought was right and best - only to find out that he was wrong, and the southern portal was sealed long, long before the war... and that our Spirit Villain for this season had been behind the whole thing? That the reason the southern portal was sealed was precisely to prevent whatever the Spirit Villain is up to?

Unalaq is a well-intentioned, but executing-his-role-poorly, leader. He very clearly wants what's best and fair for all involved (or he wouldn't have agreed to put those rebels on trial), but the frequency with which he shifts from balanced, spiritual leader to "string 'em all up, by gar!" fanatic shows that something isn't right with him. I think he's been mislead to the point that his natural desire for the two tribes to be reunited is being used against him, and that his errors will come to light sooner rather than later.


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I am willing to put aside my (some would say irrational) hatred of buffy aside to embrace one who loves macross frontier. Cant get enough of that series or the music.

Buffy pretty much is an old fandom, anyway. Sheryl ganbatte!

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yellowdingo wrote:

So the Tenzin and family story gets bumped to the B story Line...apparently Aang was a sucky dad.

Of course he was - they continue to not understand that all benders are descended from the Avatar. This means it is the children of the Avatar that refresh the Bender power genome with each generation - and it means that when the Avatar doesn't have children - like with the Air benders who turned Air bender after Air bender into Monk they undermined the continuity of Airbenders.

So Avatar - the Spiritual/political leader is the incorrect belief system that undermines the future - and Avatar the Parent of the next generation perpetuates it.

The Air Nomads were doing just fine... until that slight problem of Fire Lord Azulon going on a genocidal campaign to wipe them all out.

Aang did not stint on his child siring duties. For a short lived Avatar,he had four kids, even if only one of them turned out to have Bending potential, his grandkids seem to be making up for it.


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yellowdingo wrote:

So the Tenzin and family story gets bumped to the B story Line...apparently Aang was a sucky dad.

Of course he was - they continue to not understand that all benders are descended from the Avatar. This means it is the children of the Avatar that refresh the Bender power genome with each generation - and it means that when the Avatar doesn't have children - like with the Air benders who turned Air bender after Air bender into Monk they undermined the continuity of Airbenders.

So Avatar - the Spiritual/political leader is the incorrect belief system that undermines the future - and Avatar the Parent of the next generation perpetuates it.

The Air Nomads were doing just fine... until that slight problem of Fire Lord Azulon going on a genocidal campaign to wipe them all out.

Aang did not stint on his child siring duties. For a short lived Avatar,he had four kids, even if only one of them turned out to have Bending potential, his grandkids seem to be making up for it.

I dunno. We don't see air bending married couples in the series when the nomads were at their height. They seem to be the only benders who lack a traditional family matrix, although they seem to care for one another greatly.


I only remember three kids of Aang and katara, who was the fourth?


I also remember 2 of them were benders, not just one. The daughter is a waterbender.

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I have to agree with magnuskn, the fans are a bit too upset about Korra's attitude, which I also find to be if not justified in her expression, justified (at least partly) in sentiment.

Is Korra a bit arrogant? Yes, but she also knows that she has more bending ability than anyone else on the planet and that her greatest enemy (so far) was defeated. Does she lash out when she's emotionally vulnerable? Yes. But lots of people (especially teens) do that, and its partly normal teen frustration that she doesn't have the political skills or experience to meet the non-bending threats to her community.

Because of her flaws, I actually find I like Korra more this season than I did last season. Her uncle may be trying to manipulate her politically, but she's not quite as naive with him as she was with Tarrlok. She can't outmaneuver him, but she tries to negotiate with him, which shows she is learning.

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