Fiery Shuriken and Simultaneous spells


Rules Questions


1 person marked this as FAQ candidate.

http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qqm

In the case of Fiery Shuriken:

Quote:
Effect: Two or more fiery shuriken

Does this count as a weapon-like spell(shuriken specifically)?

Assuming it does:
When launching more than 1 at a time (either initially or using a standard action), it appears that sneak attack will only be applied once, due to the attacks being caused by the same standard-action. Is that correct? Or does sneak attack apply to all shurikens due to the lack of the specific word simultaneous?

Then, if you use 2 actions in a round to launch shurikens, (swift, standard) would you get 2 sneak attacks(1 per action)?

How about other spells with multiple attack rolls, like telekinesis, holy ice, etc?

Liberty's Edge

Fiery Shuriken is a ranged touch attack, which functions as a ray. If you have a flat-footed opponent and are within 30 ft. (or have something like sniper's goggles), you get sneak attack damage for every shuriken that hits. If you wanted, you can throw the max 8 (if you've got caster level 15) at the same target, getting 8 sneak attacks in.

With arcane trickster 10, wizard 7, rogue 3, magical knack (+2 caster level), and an orange prism ioun stone(caster level +1), you've got the potential for an intensified, empowered fiery shuriken through a maximize metamagic rod for 15d8(120)+105d6 damage before any feats or other tricks.


Kiliase wrote:
Fiery Shuriken is a ranged touch attack, which functions as a ray. If you have a flat-footed opponent and are within 30 ft. (or have something like sniper's goggles), you get sneak attack damage for every shuriken that hits. If you wanted, you can throw the max 8 (if you've got caster level 15) at the same target, getting 8 sneak attacks in.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2loim&page=3?Sneak-Attack-and-Scorching- Ray#107

Uh, not all ranged touch attacks are rays. Only ones that specifically say that they are rays.

this ruling has been discussed to death here: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2loim&page=1?Sneak-Attack-and-Scorching-Ray

but I haven't seen an official response or consensus on

1) whether fiery shuriken attacks are weaponlike because they are shurikens, albeit fiery shurikens

or

2) whether all spells with multiple attack rolls are considered simultaneous, or only spells that specifically say simultaneous in the description.


Kiliase wrote:
With arcane trickster 10, wizard 7, rogue 3, magical knack (+2 caster level), and an orange prism ioun stone(caster level +1), you've got the potential for an intensified, empowered fiery shuriken through a maximize metamagic rod for 15d8(120)+105d6 damage before any feats or other tricks.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/intensified-spell-metamagic

I believe intensified only affects the level based damage cap of spells. since there is no level related damage cap for fiery shuriken, i believe intensified spell does nothing. fiery shuriken has a level based "# of attacks" cap.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Fiery Shuriken and Simultaneous spells All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.