paizo.com Recent Posts in Never played a rogue before, need some advicepaizo.com Recent Posts in Never played a rogue before, need some advice2017-02-03T10:42:03Z2017-02-03T10:42:03ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceSir Thugsalot (alias of Mike Schneider)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#502013-09-28T08:19:39Z2013-09-28T08:19:39Z<p>Blackraven and blackblood, XMorsX posted it right above you.</p>
<p>That's ONE way to do it.</p>
<p>(IMO, a good dirty-trickster halfling will eat his lunch. You can't kill what you never see coming with a weapon which is now no longer yours.)</p>Blackraven and blackblood, XMorsX posted it right above you.
That's ONE way to do it.
(IMO, a good dirty-trickster halfling will eat his lunch. You can't kill what you never see coming with a weapon which is now no longer yours.)Sir Thugsalot (alias of Mike Schneider)2013-09-28T08:19:39ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceTGMaxMaxerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#492013-09-27T11:21:46Z2013-09-27T11:21:46Z<p>Scout/Skulking Slayer Half Orc.</p>
<p>St 17(race)
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Dex 14
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Con 14
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Int 13
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Wis 12
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Cha 8</p>
<p>Str at all boosts.</p>
<p>2 level Lore Warden dip is recommended for the extra feats/skills... not necessary though.</p>
<p>Earthbreaker or heavy flail(if you plan 5 levels of fighter for weapon training, it is same weapon group as scorpion whip for ranged trips).</p>
<p>Expertise, Power Attack, Imp Trip, Greater Trip, Felling Smash. If you take Lore Warden for the 3 extra feats, Toss in Enforcer, Sap Adept, and Sap Master on the mix. </p>
<p>Charge, power attack, sneak to d8s. Free trip(Felling Smash). Greater trip to Dirty Trick: blind (due to skulking slayer sub for any melee attack when you could sneak and them being denied dex on a charge). Leaving them prone and blind. Or just another damage attack, if you think someone will get up to flank so you can blind them when they provoke for standing. Should be 2d6/d10 depending on weapon, +1/2 level d8, + 1.5 Str, +PA. </p>
<p>After 8th level, you can do this anytime you move 10 ft, not just on a charge, although the d8 sneak dice favor charges.</p>
<p>Mine is level 10(5 lore warden/5 rogue) doing d10+22+3d8 (19-20x2)on pretty much all attacks, and a +26 to trip for free, then another attack. Gloves of Dueling and a +1 Heavy Flail. If I used the Enforcer chain too, add another 3d8+12 damage to non-lethal</p>
<p>2k Feather Step Slippers/Feather step potions for difficult terrain. Later, 5k Boots of spider climb to run on ceilings/walls instead so allies aren't ever in the way of charge lanes, 16k Winged boots at high levels.</p>Scout/Skulking Slayer Half Orc.
St 17(race)
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 13
Wis 12
Cha 8
Str at all boosts.
2 level Lore Warden dip is recommended for the extra feats/skills... not necessary though.
Earthbreaker or heavy flail(if you plan 5 levels of fighter for weapon training, it is same weapon group as scorpion whip for ranged trips).
Expertise, Power Attack, Imp Trip, Greater Trip, Felling Smash. If you take Lore Warden for the 3 extra feats, Toss in Enforcer, Sap Adept, and Sap Master on the...TGMaxMaxer2013-09-27T11:21:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#482013-09-27T11:16:56Z2013-09-27T10:17:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sir Thugsalot wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">blackbloodtroll wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I am just gonna say it.</p>
<p>Trapper Ranger will do what you want, much better.</p>
<p>The archetype stacks with Guide, or Freebooter.</p>
<p>You will have more fun.</blockquote>Right up until you try to cast <i>Instant Enemy</i>, and find out you don't have spells.<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>Pathfinder has made the Rogue obsolete.</p>
<p>There, I said it. </blockquote>A well-built rogue is a murder-machine in Pathfinder. </blockquote><p>Cool snark bro.
<p>The Freebooter and Guide do not have Favored Enemy.</p>
<p>They still add static damage though.</p>Sir Thugsalot wrote:blackbloodtroll wrote:I am just gonna say it.
Trapper Ranger will do what you want, much better.
The archetype stacks with Guide, or Freebooter.
You will have more fun.
Right up until you try to cast Instant Enemy, and find out you don't have spells.Quote:Pathfinder has made the Rogue obsolete.
There, I said it.
A well-built rogue is a murder-machine in Pathfinder. Cool snark bro. The Freebooter and Guide do not have Favored Enemy.
They still add static damage though.blackbloodtroll2013-09-27T10:17:19ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceThe black raven (alias of The Raven Black)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#472013-09-27T10:02:38Z2013-09-27T10:02:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sir Thugsalot wrote:</div><blockquote> A well-built rogue is a murder-machine in Pathfinder. </blockquote><p>Example of build ?Sir Thugsalot wrote:A well-built rogue is a murder-machine in Pathfinder.
Example of build ?The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)2013-09-27T10:02:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceXMorsXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#462013-09-27T09:54:18Z2013-09-27T09:54:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Wasum wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Thug and Scout Archetype, Earthbreaker, Endorcer, Sap Adept, Sap Master, Vital Strike, Power Attack, Furious Focus.
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Offensive Defense.</p>
<p>Fun:] </blockquote><p>This "combat style" is what keeps rogues competitive. This should not go unnoticed, so I will just post the damage calculations from <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ow5u?The-big-hit-build#35" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this build</a> that certainly hit the eye.
<p>At lvl 13: <b>2d6 (Earthbreaker) +4d6 (Improved Vital Strike) +10 (Strength & Overhand Chop) +2 (Weapon Specialization) +1 (Weapon Training) +4d6 (Sneak Attack) +4d6 (Sap Mastery) +16 (Sap Adept) +9 (Power Attack) = 14d6+38 or 87 damage on average.</b></p>Wasum wrote:Thug and Scout Archetype, Earthbreaker, Endorcer, Sap Adept, Sap Master, Vital Strike, Power Attack, Furious Focus.
Offensive Defense.Fun:]
This "combat style" is what keeps rogues competitive. This should not go unnoticed, so I will just post the damage calculations from this build that certainly hit the eye. At lvl 13: 2d6 (Earthbreaker) +4d6 (Improved Vital Strike) +10 (Strength & Overhand Chop) +2 (Weapon Specialization) +1 (Weapon Training) +4d6 (Sneak Attack) +4d6 (Sap...XMorsX2013-09-27T09:54:18ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceSir Thugsalot (alias of Mike Schneider)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#452013-09-27T09:41:58Z2013-09-27T09:41:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">blackbloodtroll wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I am just gonna say it.</p>
<p>Trapper Ranger will do what you want, much better.</p>
<p>The archetype stacks with Guide, or Freebooter.</p>
<p>You will have more fun.</blockquote>Right up until you try to cast <i>Instant Enemy</i>, and find out you don't have spells.<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>Pathfinder has made the Rogue obsolete.</p>
<p>There, I said it. </blockquote><p>A well-built rogue is a murder-machine in Pathfinder.blackbloodtroll wrote:I am just gonna say it.
Trapper Ranger will do what you want, much better.
The archetype stacks with Guide, or Freebooter.
You will have more fun.
Right up until you try to cast Instant Enemy, and find out you don't have spells.Quote:Pathfinder has made the Rogue obsolete.
There, I said it.
A well-built rogue is a murder-machine in Pathfinder.Sir Thugsalot (alias of Mike Schneider)2013-09-27T09:41:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceThe black raven (alias of The Raven Black)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#442013-09-27T09:28:09Z2013-09-27T09:28:09Z<p>IMO, the Halfling Opportunist Prestige Class is the Rogue exemplar. You can check it in Halflings of Golarion.</p>
<p>It does suffer from the classic Rogue problem of too many facets that you just cannot incorporate in a single build though. You will need to choose, focus and specialize, whether it is at fighting, trap detection and management or infiltration/disguise.</p>
<p>Otherwise, a Kitsune Ninja (especially if the GM allows Rogue archetypes) or Rogue with the facechanging racial feat could be a lot of fun.</p>IMO, the Halfling Opportunist Prestige Class is the Rogue exemplar. You can check it in Halflings of Golarion.
It does suffer from the classic Rogue problem of too many facets that you just cannot incorporate in a single build though. You will need to choose, focus and specialize, whether it is at fighting, trap detection and management or infiltration/disguise.
Otherwise, a Kitsune Ninja (especially if the GM allows Rogue archetypes) or Rogue with the facechanging racial feat could be a...The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)2013-09-27T09:28:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#432013-09-27T11:16:25Z2013-09-27T08:47:14Z<p>I am just gonna say it.</p>
<p>Trapper Ranger will do what you want, much better.</p>
<p>The archetype stacks with Guide, or Freebooter.</p>
<p>You will have more fun.</p>
<p>Well, unless being "The Load" is your kind of fun.</p>
<p>Some people like to have everyone else pick up where they fail, even if it's at just about everything.</p>
<p>Pathfinder has made the Rogue obsolete.</p>
<p>There, I said it.</p>I am just gonna say it.
Trapper Ranger will do what you want, much better.
The archetype stacks with Guide, or Freebooter.
You will have more fun.
Well, unless being "The Load" is your kind of fun.
Some people like to have everyone else pick up where they fail, even if it's at just about everything.
Pathfinder has made the Rogue obsolete.
There, I said it.blackbloodtroll2013-09-27T08:47:14ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceSir Thugsalot (alias of Mike Schneider)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#422013-09-27T08:30:40Z2013-09-27T08:30:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sin Eater wrote:</div><blockquote> so i've been playing rpgs since middle school (im 22 goin on 23 in october)and I have never played a rogue •insert shock and awe, with one or two gasps•. Im looking for advice for playing a pathfinder rogue. anything from "avoid taking this rogue trick" or "this feat will benifet you from the moment you take it" and anything in between. </blockquote><p><b><a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2n621?1st-level-thief#31" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Get yourself into the proper frame of mind</a></b>, and you'll do OK.Sin Eater wrote:so i've been playing rpgs since middle school (im 22 goin on 23 in october)and I have never played a rogue *insert shock and awe, with one or two gasps*. Im looking for advice for playing a pathfinder rogue. anything from "avoid taking this rogue trick" or "this feat will benifet you from the moment you take it" and anything in between.
Get yourself into the proper frame of mind, and you'll do OK.Sir Thugsalot (alias of Mike Schneider)2013-09-27T08:30:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceDrDethhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#412013-09-22T20:04:24Z2013-09-22T20:04:24Z<p>Ok, here's my suggestion: Half-orc Scout . Dump CHA like mad (see even I suggest a dump stat once in a a while).</p>
<p>20 pt build:
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5 pts= Str 14+2 racial = 16
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5= Dex14
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10= Con 14
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2= Int 12
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2= wis 12
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-4= 7</p>
<p>Feats: Dodge, then Mobilty (as your 2nd level Talent), then Spring attack, Toughness, then Skill focus Perception or Wind Stance.</p>
<p>Racial Sacred tattoo (+1 all saves) replaces Ferocity
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Scavenger (+2 perception) replaces Intimidating </p>
<p>Traits: Take something that adds to your Init, then Fort saves, then will saves, etc </p>
<p>You use a Falchion, or if a magic great axe drops, grab it. </p>
<p>Max out Perc. </p>
<p>Once you get to 4th level, you don;t need to worry about Flanking buddies. Once you get to 8th, you Spring attack in and get SA almost every round.</p>
<p>Talents: 2- Combat Trick
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4- Trap spotter (if a trap heavy campaign) or Weapon training or Resiliency, etc.</p>Ok, here's my suggestion: Half-orc Scout . Dump CHA like mad (see even I suggest a dump stat once in a a while).
20 pt build:
5 pts= Str 14+2 racial = 16
5= Dex14
10= Con 14
2= Int 12
2= wis 12
-4= 7
Feats: Dodge, then Mobilty (as your 2nd level Talent), then Spring attack, Toughness, then Skill focus Perception or Wind Stance.
Racial Sacred tattoo (+1 all saves) replaces Ferocity
Scavenger (+2 perception) replaces Intimidating
Traits: Take something that adds to your Init, then Fort...DrDeth2013-09-22T20:04:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceSilent Saturnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#402013-09-22T18:58:02Z2013-09-22T18:58:02Z<p>If you find yourself having trouble getting sneak attacks off, I recommend either the Major Magic talent choosing Grease, or simply getting a Wand of Grease and throwing skill ranks in UMD.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>If you find yourself having trouble getting sneak attacks off, I recommend either the Major Magic talent choosing Grease, or simply getting a Wand of Grease and throwing skill ranks in UMD.
[Spoiler omitted]Silent Saturn2013-09-22T18:58:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceWasumhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#392013-09-13T06:11:30Z2013-09-13T06:11:30Z<p>Halved? What do you expect the other classes to be?:P Sword'n'Board Fighters?</p>Halved? What do you expect the other classes to be?:P Sword'n'Board Fighters?Wasum2013-09-13T06:11:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceAvatar-1https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#382013-09-13T02:40:35Z2013-09-13T02:40:35Z<p>Drill it into your martial party members that they need to constantly be helping you get into flanks with every single turn. If they don't, it's like your party's output damage is halved (or more if you have more than one rogue in the party).</p>Drill it into your martial party members that they need to constantly be helping you get into flanks with every single turn. If they don't, it's like your party's output damage is halved (or more if you have more than one rogue in the party).Avatar-12013-09-13T02:40:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceWeirdGM66https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#372013-09-13T02:22:04Z2013-09-13T02:22:04Z<p>Ok, having read the idea's in the thread so far, I have a few ideas with just the core rule book.
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1) I like for my first rouge talent- trap spotter, makes it less likely to set off a trap before you spot it, and you don't need to actively look for the traps.
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2) the second rouge talent is likely to be a toss up between finesse rouge, and fast stealth.</p>
<p>Remember that many times not being seen is your friend as a rouge. </p>
<p>For basic gear I like-
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Studded leather armor ( low cost- especially at low level)
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Rapier ( slightly better chance to crit, then short sword)
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short bow/ light crossbow (hand crossbow is nice, for very tight spaces, but without poison can be under powered, also is very high cost for low damage)
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a sap is almost a requirement in my opinion, A club is a good choice as it is cheap and can even be thrown
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daggers as they are throw able, and easy to hide. </p>
<p>This is a "classic build"</p>Ok, having read the idea's in the thread so far, I have a few ideas with just the core rule book.
1) I like for my first rouge talent- trap spotter, makes it less likely to set off a trap before you spot it, and you don't need to actively look for the traps.
2) the second rouge talent is likely to be a toss up between finesse rouge, and fast stealth.
Remember that many times not being seen is your friend as a rouge.
For basic gear I like-
Studded leather armor ( low cost- especially at low...WeirdGM662013-09-13T02:22:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceDeathQuaker (RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#362013-09-13T01:43:28Z2013-09-13T01:43:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lamontius wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee"> Selene the gypsy Ninja wrote:</div><blockquote>My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.</blockquote><p>And to highlight the problems the non darksighted rogue faces... if the creature she's stabbing isn't exactly on the edge of the light she can't sneak attack him, because they have concealment and concealment negates sneak attack.
<p></blockquote>Great point, BNW, but also do not forget about the <b><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shadow-strike-combat" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shadow Strike</a></b> feat, for taking some of the pain away from losing SA damage to concealment </blockquote><p>If you're worried about vision, you can also dip into 2 levels of shadowdancer for free darkvision and the supernatural version of HIPS. Not a bad tradeoff for 2 levels of rogue.Lamontius wrote:BigNorseWolf wrote: Selene the gypsy Ninja wrote:My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.
And to highlight the problems the non darksighted rogue faces... if the creature she's stabbing isn't exactly on the edge of the light she can't sneak attack him, because they have concealment and concealment negates sneak attack. Great point, BNW, but also do not forget about the Shadow...DeathQuaker (RPG Superstar 2015 Top 8)2013-09-13T01:43:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceLamontiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#352013-09-12T17:01:26Z2013-09-12T17:01:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigNorseWolf wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee"> Selene the gypsy Ninja wrote:</div><blockquote>My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.</blockquote><p>And to highlight the problems the non darksighted rogue faces... if the creature she's stabbing isn't exactly on the edge of the light she can't sneak attack him, because they have concealment and concealment negates sneak attack.
<p></blockquote><p>Great point, BNW, but also do not forget about the <b><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shadow-strike-combat" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shadow Strike</a></b> feat, for taking some of the pain away from losing SA damage to concealmentBigNorseWolf wrote: Selene the gypsy Ninja wrote:My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.
And to highlight the problems the non darksighted rogue faces... if the creature she's stabbing isn't exactly on the edge of the light she can't sneak attack him, because they have concealment and concealment negates sneak attack. Great point, BNW, but also do not forget about the Shadow Strike feat, for...Lamontius2013-09-12T17:01:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceBigNorseWolfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#342013-09-12T16:57:50Z2013-09-12T16:57:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee"> Selene the gypsy Ninja wrote:</div><blockquote>My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.</blockquote><p>And to highlight the problems the non darksighted rogue faces... if the creature she's stabbing isn't exactly on the edge of the light she can't sneak attack him, because they have concealment and concealment negates sneak attack.Selene the gypsy Ninja wrote:My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.
And to highlight the problems the non darksighted rogue faces... if the creature she's stabbing isn't exactly on the edge of the light she can't sneak attack him, because they have concealment and concealment negates sneak attack.BigNorseWolf2013-09-12T16:57:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceLaveralhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#332013-09-11T18:12:53Z2013-09-11T18:12:53Z<p>I stand corrected about the creatures immune to sneak damage. My apologies. Don't blow a gasket over it.</p>I stand corrected about the creatures immune to sneak damage. My apologies. Don't blow a gasket over it.Laveral2013-09-11T18:12:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceSelene the Gypsy Ninja (alias of Mr. Hunter)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#322017-02-03T10:42:03Z2013-09-11T18:06:10Z<p>I agree that sneak attack is hella hard to pull off without a dedicated partner.</p>
<p>My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.</p>
<p>My high mobility fighter in PFS always makes sure to set up flanking positions for any rogues at the table to give them a chance to shine in combat.</p>
<p>Even my "rogue" (urban ranger/ninja) in PFS only ever gets played when my wife plays my PC's twin. They have teamwork feats to increase chances to hit (Outflank) while flanking and regain the d6 of Sneak Attack lost by taking 2 levels of Urban Ranger (Precise Strike). We also split some of the skills between us (I took CHA, she took INT) in order to be able to cover just about any challenge.</p>
<p>If you're looking at a home campaign, bribe/extort another player to be your flank buddy. If you can get them to take Outflank along with you then it helps offset the rogue's poor BAB.</p>
<p>Honestly, if possible, convince your GM to let you use the Guide to the Talented Rogue and its followup with more Talents to choose from.</p>I agree that sneak attack is hella hard to pull off without a dedicated partner.
My wife's rogue in the Council of Thieves AP got frustrated with the group and just took a wand of Darkness to let her get off Sneak Attacks.
My high mobility fighter in PFS always makes sure to set up flanking positions for any rogues at the table to give them a chance to shine in combat.
Even my "rogue" (urban ranger/ninja) in PFS only ever gets played when my wife plays my PC's twin. They have teamwork...Selene the Gypsy Ninja (alias of Mr. Hunter)2013-09-11T18:06:10ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceSnowleopardhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#312013-09-11T17:53:34Z2013-09-11T17:53:34Z<p>I completely agree with the improved feint and great arcobatics skill (and mobility in case you miss the acrobatics skill roll)
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It allows you to tumble across the battlefield to the flanking position without drawing attacks of oportunaty and sneak attack the oponent to snail snot. Improved feint will allow you to flatfoot an opponent with a move, instead of an action, so you do not even need to flank in order to sneak attack.
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Sneak skill high is good as wel: If you are not noticed, you are no target.
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Also in order to scout perception and trap spotter work really well.</p>I completely agree with the improved feint and great arcobatics skill (and mobility in case you miss the acrobatics skill roll)
It allows you to tumble across the battlefield to the flanking position without drawing attacks of oportunaty and sneak attack the oponent to snail snot. Improved feint will allow you to flatfoot an opponent with a move, instead of an action, so you do not even need to flank in order to sneak attack.
Sneak skill high is good as wel: If you are not noticed, you are no...Snowleopard2013-09-11T17:53:34ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceLamontiushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#302013-09-14T06:28:25Z2013-09-11T17:50:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Laveral wrote:</div><blockquote>If you face a creature that a rogue can't hurt very well, like constructs or undead</blockquote><p>aggggggggghhhhh
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okay now it is time to rogue in ways that are not terrible and to do that you start with this information instead of information that is wrong and/or old and/or not from this game</p>
<p><b>Enemy Subtypes Immune to Precision-based Damage (Sneak Attack):</b>
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• Elemental
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• Incorporeal
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• Ooze
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• Protean (50% chance to ignore SA damage)</p>
<p><b>Enemy Subtypes Immune to Flanking</b>
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• Ooze (Immune to SA damage anyway)
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• Swarm
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• Elemental (Immune to SA damage anyway)</p>
<p><b>Enemy Subtypes Immune to Critical Hits</b>
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• Aeon
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• Elemental
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• Incorporeal
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• Ooze
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• Protean
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• Swarm</p>Laveral wrote:If you face a creature that a rogue can't hurt very well, like constructs or undead
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okay now it is time to rogue in ways that are not terrible and to do that you start with this information instead of information that is wrong and/or old and/or not from this gameEnemy Subtypes Immune to Precision-based Damage (Sneak Attack):
• Elemental
• Incorporeal
• Ooze
• Protean (50% chance to ignore SA damage)
Enemy Subtypes Immune to Flanking
• Ooze (Immune to SA damage...Lamontius2013-09-11T17:50:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceLaveralhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#292013-09-11T17:40:32Z2013-09-11T17:40:32Z<p>In my opinion the rogue class can be one of the best classes to play with. There are a lot of options to it and I think the actual role playing capabilities are easier to come by. Yes if you are worried about being affective in every combat then being a rogue may not be for you, but if you are worried about that you might as well play a fighter or paladin with high ac and massive to hit bonuses.
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First thing you want to do is come up with a character concept that you really want to play and then build your character. Wanting to try something new is all good, but if you get three weeks down the road and don't like the rogue at all then you have to scrap all your work on that and build a new character.
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I say if you make a rogue build it with a certain skill set that he is the best at. Optimize his skills, acrobatics, stealth, disable devise, bluff, perception, use magic devise. Make your rogue good at certain things in order position himself for sneak attacks during combat.
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If you face a creature that a rogue can't hurt very well, like constructs or undead, then use your stealth, acrobatics, and use magic devise to be an extra party healer with wands and potions. se bluff and diplomacy in towns as a front for the group to get good prices on selling stuff or getting information for the next job the party will do.
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I think if you are going to play a rogue you have to make it a character build and make the combat build secondary.
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I have a high level rogue in one campaign and he uses feint very affectively in combat. Buff the bluff skill up using skill focus and deceitful if you want to go this route.
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That's my advise.</p>In my opinion the rogue class can be one of the best classes to play with. There are a lot of options to it and I think the actual role playing capabilities are easier to come by. Yes if you are worried about being affective in every combat then being a rogue may not be for you, but if you are worried about that you might as well play a fighter or paladin with high ac and massive to hit bonuses.
First thing you want to do is come up with a character concept that you really want to play and...Laveral2013-09-11T17:40:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some advicevoska66https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#282013-09-11T17:30:46Z2013-09-11T17:30:46Z<p>The rogue is great class from 4-8 the level. They really peak then. From level 9-12 then decline and start having big problems after that. The big problem is your offense falls behind and you defense stalls. So what this means it take you longer to kill enemies and the enemy is hurting you a lot more for it. </p>
<p>A simple fix is pick up leadership at 7th level and get yourself a Bard cohort. Make him you sneaking buddy. His buffs will increase you offense so that your lack of defense isn't as much of an issue and he can be your flanking partner. A rogue with Bard cohort is very dangerous thing.</p>The rogue is great class from 4-8 the level. They really peak then. From level 9-12 then decline and start having big problems after that. The big problem is your offense falls behind and you defense stalls. So what this means it take you longer to kill enemies and the enemy is hurting you a lot more for it.
A simple fix is pick up leadership at 7th level and get yourself a Bard cohort. Make him you sneaking buddy. His buffs will increase you offense so that your lack of defense isn't as...voska662013-09-11T17:30:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceWasumhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#272013-09-27T15:03:14Z2013-09-11T16:58:16Z<p>Thug and Scout Archetype, Earthbreaker, Endorcer, Sap Adept, Sap Master, Vital Strike, Power Attack, Furious Focus.
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Offensive Defense.</p>
<p>Fun:]</p>Thug and Scout Archetype, Earthbreaker, Endorcer, Sap Adept, Sap Master, Vital Strike, Power Attack, Furious Focus.
Offensive Defense.
Fun:]Wasum2013-09-11T16:58:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: Never played a rogue before, need some adviceRaiderrpghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5cp?Never-played-a-rogue-before-need-some-advice#262013-09-11T16:46:15Z2013-09-11T16:46:15Z<p>•glances in• Rogues are MAD in that they need every score, but not so bad-MAD in that they can totally just go with 12's and 14's before racials.</p>
<p>Also, Archeologist is EXTREMELY fun, especially played as a 'Face' or 'Social Rogue'. Make sure to grab Lingering Performance at first level if you go this route; that and a decent AC make you a solid warrior for the first three levels, and after that you've got your second level+ spells to make up for the slow-but-not-terrible drop in pure combat performance.</p>
<p>Deathquaker mostly has this spot on, so 'll just point to their work for the rest of it- with the note that a good, high charisma rogue can serve a party EXTREMELY well, depending on the campaign, focusing on diplomacy, bluff, and sense motive to outwit NPC's and helping to avoid fights altogether. Plus, UMD- can still toss just the right wand/scroll in a pinch, if you must. (and enables Sneak Attack Disintegrates. Mmm....)
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(Some GM's give experience for defeating the combat in -any- way, so check on this- you might be able to level off of telling enough goblins the guy they're after is thataway! >;3)</p>*glances in* Rogues are MAD in that they need every score, but not so bad-MAD in that they can totally just go with 12's and 14's before racials.
Also, Archeologist is EXTREMELY fun, especially played as a 'Face' or 'Social Rogue'. Make sure to grab Lingering Performance at first level if you go this route; that and a decent AC make you a solid warrior for the first three levels, and after that you've got your second level+ spells to make up for the slow-but-not-terrible drop in pure combat...Raiderrpg2013-09-11T16:46:15Z