Sable Company Marine


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So I just noticed that Sable Company Marines are legal in PFS. Anyone currently playing one? How has your playing experience been? What direction have you taken your hippogriff rider's build?

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VerdantSF wrote:
So I just noticed that Sable Company Marines are legal in PFS. Anyone currently playing one? How has your playing experience been? What direction have you taken your hippogriff rider's build?

Interesting Question. Is this Ranger Archetype legal in PFS play?

My intuition would be no. In any event, what would a Sable Company Marine be doing so far from Korvosa?

But, hopefully, people more experienced with the society then I can give you a firmer answer.


Pathfinder Society Additional Resources, August 13, 2013 wrote:

Pathfinder Player Companion: Varisia, Birthplace of Legends

Roles: Duskwarden, Frontier Defender, Magnimarian Warden, Professional Gambler, Sable Company Marine, Sczarni Tough, Shingles Dweller, Shoanti Outrider, Shoanti Totem Shaman, Sky Magistrate, Varisian Bravo, and Welcome Wanderer are legal for play.

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Note that the "Role: Sable Company Marine" is not a prestige class, archetype, or anything; just a mounted-oriented Paladin or Ranger (neither of which can actually get access to a Hippogriff, unless the not-legal blog isn't the only listing of a Hippogriff Companion.)

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El Baron de los Banditos wrote:
Note that the "Role: Sable Company Marine" is not a prestige class, archetype, or anything; just a mounted-oriented Paladin or Ranger (neither of which can actually get access to a Hippogriff, unless the not-legal blog isn't the only listing of a Hippogriff Companion.)

Not as I have been able to find. That blog - you are correct - which is not part of the additional resources is the only known way to get a Hippogriff companion.


Well drat. It's rather odd to mention something is legal for play if it technically isn't :(.

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The Role is not the Archetype. They are two different things. Technically you can be a Sable Company Marine, you just won't have a Hippogriff mount. That said, I wish they would not waste space in the Additional Resources with Roles, as Roles carry no mechanics. Roles are nothing but suggestions for builds.

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VerdantSF wrote:
Pathfinder Society Additional Resources, August 13, 2013 wrote:

Pathfinder Player Companion: Varisia, Birthplace of Legends

Roles: Duskwarden, Frontier Defender, Magnimarian Warden, Professional Gambler, Sable Company Marine, Sczarni Tough, Shingles Dweller, Shoanti Outrider, Shoanti Totem Shaman, Sky Magistrate, Varisian Bravo, and Welcome Wanderer are legal for play.

To insure legality, you might want to double check the current additional resources from 8/28. Things do change on this document as products get added and what is allowed can change from update to update. Just putting my 2cp worth.

Liberty's Edge

Also a person could try to get that ruling changed and the blog added to additional resources by making a cogent and convincing argument to change things. For me, if I were to make this argument I would point to that specific part of additional resources as partly justifying the change. Something along the lines of " The flavor of the archetype is clearly acceptable for PFS, a belief back up by the allowance of the Sable Company Marine Role ,insert reference link here." I suspect it being disallowed had more to do with Hippogriffs being unbalancing in Society play, I am not saying this is a true statement, in fact I suspect they would not be.

The risk in using one part of the additional resources document to justify adding something is that shining this light on the legal item might cause it to be removed. This would not be a tantrum maneuver but rather a " Oh hey I can't believe we missed that completely inappropriate for PFS item" type thing.

Then again in this case removing the Sable Company Marie Role from additional resources is meaningless, as Roles, in the Additional Resources Document, are a meaningless waste of space as they contain no new mechanics and are in fact just a list of suggestions.

The above statement is not a statement against Roles. I rather like them. They just server no purpose in the Additional Resources Document.

Silver Crusade

Well, I'm glad somebody pointed this out! I'd been working on an aerial cavalry character for a while, and was going to use the Sable Company Marine archetype to make it happen.

Phooey. Back to the drawing board, I suppose. Anyone know a better way to accomplish it that would be PFS legal?

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Mounted summoner with a lance?

Silver Crusade

Halfling cavalier druid with lance, Boon companion it up.

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Halfling cavalier druid with lance, Boon companion it up.

How would that give you a flying mount? "Boon Companion" is absolutely useless for a cavalier/druid, both classes get full effective druid level.

If you want to go for "Boon Companion", what about a druid with a Dire Bat or Pteranodon companion and add 4 levels of Fighter (Dragoon)?

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Andreas Forster wrote:
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Halfling cavalier druid with lance, Boon companion it up.

How would that give you a flying mount? "Boon Companion" is absolutely useless for a cavalier/druid, both classes get full effective druid level.

If you want to go for "Boon Companion", what about a druid with a Dire Bat or Pteranodon companion and add 4 levels of Fighter (Dragoon)?

In PFS, the Cavalier levels won't stack with Druid levels if your Druid companion isn't on the list provided for cavalier (pony, horse, wolf, boar at 4th, etc.), so that's why Boon companion would help if you're a Roc-riding Halfling Druid/Cavalier. Getting a few levels into Cavalier (Gendarme) helps in the Feats, Armor, and proficiency departments.

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I don't know anyone playing one, probably because the experience would end up something like this:

GM: Okay, guys, you see a subterranean demonic chamber, filled with vicious beasties.
On-Foot Fighter: All right! Get ready for pain!
Flying Hippogriff Marine: Is there any monsters on the roof of the dungeon?
GM: No.
Flying Hippogriff Marine: I turn a graceful arc in the sky and survey the dungeon entrance carefully. In case something comes out. Is there anything up here in the sky?
GM: No. The rest of you, roll initiative.
Flying Hippogriff Marine: I'm lonely.
GM: You have your Hippogriff. Please stop interrupting the battle.
Flying Hippogriff Marine: Don't worry guys. The Proud Air Support of the Sable Company Marine is ready!
On-Foot Fighter: Why are you still here?
Flying Hippogriff Marine: It seemed like a good idea on the internet.

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This convention boon might be useful:

Mounted Tradition
If you have the divine bond or mount class feature, instead of calling an animal companion form the list provided in the class description, you may instead call a mount from te list below as long as you are of the corresponding race; the adopted trait or similar abilities do not grant you access to another race's traditional mount.

Catfolk: big cat (must be level 7)
Dhampir: wolf (must be level 7)
Goblin: goblin dog (must be level 4)
Tengu: axe beak (must be level 4)
Grippli: giant frog (must be level 4)
Kitsune: wolf (must be level 7)
Kobold: giant gecko (must be level 4)
Nagaji: giant chameleon (must be level 4)
Vishkanya: megalania (must be level 7)

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I know this is about 2 years after the fact, but Sable Company Marine is legal via Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Combat.

This was not the case while this discussion was going on, but a year later they published this book.

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