Xorphitus |
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Hi,
I'm searching for a Pathfinder scenario where the use of non-combat spells, skills or feats gets rewarded and where characters optimized only for combat are at a disadvantage. Can anyone here recommend such a scenario, if one exists?
It can include "standard" combat as well of course, but the idea is that characters with non-combat abilities can shine. The reason why I'm searching for such a scenario is that my group of experienced players is completely geared towards combat, sacrificing variety and non-combat abilities for damage output and defense, and I'd like to expose their gaps and teach them a lesson. They have no rogue, druid, bard or other non-combat-optimized character and their sorcerer and wizard know only damage spells, crowd control and buffs. The only non-combat skills they have are a variety of Knowledge() skills because of the wizard's high Int.
Thanks in advance,
-Xorphitus
Arssanguinus |
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Well. A pure social situation is an obvious one ... And in that sort of situation they can have all sorts of penalties which are not lethal but nonetheless harmful. Or put them in positions where there are great rewards to be had, but combat spells are utterly useless in achieving them. The contests wouldn't make it so the overacting plot goals and the such could not be competed but its obvious they are missing out on so,etching they could otherwise get
However, that being said ...
I don't think "teach them a lesson!" Is quite the right attitude ... You shouldn't be trying to "punish" the payers. You are trying to challenge them.
Xorphitus |
Hi,
I should probably clarify that I'm looking specifically for a Pathfinder Society scenario, not for general advice on how to create a non-combat situation. The Pathfinder Society scenario should be more than pure hack'n'slay and instead provide opportunities where non-combat skills and spells are more effective. Sorry if I've been a bit unclear on that.
Are there any Society scenarios like this?
I don't think "teach them a lesson!" Is quite the right attitude ... You shouldn't be trying to "punish" the payers.
I guess my post came across more harsh than I meant it. With "teach them a lesson" I meant that I'd gently like to show them they shouldn't completely ignore non-combat stuff, or they might run into problems later on in the campaign. Hence my search for a Society scenario where "characters with non-combat abilities can shine". :)
-Xorphitus
TGMaxMaxer |
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Blakros Matrimony. Hellknights Feast (new season 5). Fortress of the Nail. The most RP/Skill intensive scenarios I've run. Blakros Matrimony takes place inside a wedding, only light armor(ceremonial) and hidden weapons allowed as I recall.
Hellknights Feast you have your gear, but have to not cause a scene, and keep the noise down while negotiating with major NPCs. Fortress of the Nail, RP heavy, time sensitive, no wandering murder-hobos allowed, takes place in a Hellknight Fortress with the party on borrowed time.
Xorphitus |
Hi,
Blakros Matrimony. Hellknights Feast (new season 5). Fortress of the Nail.
Excellent! Judging from the reviews, especially Blakros Matrimony sounds like exactly what I want. It looks like my players will feel the lack of non-combat skills in the group, but with some innovative roleplaying and flexibility on my part, should still have a chance of performing well enough.
Thank you!
-Xorphitus
Chris O'Reilly |
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What level range? Overall it seems like PFS is geared towards the type of players you mentioned, especially with the oust of faction missions
The Gods Market Gamble (1-5)
To Scale the Dragon (5-9)
Feast of Sigils (7-11)
Night March of Kalkamedes (1-5)
Delirium's tangle (1-7)
Before the dawn pt 1 (1-7)
Ghennet Manor gauntlet (5-9)
The Price of Friendship (5-9)
As well as the Blackros arc ones already mentioned. If you are frustrated as a GM by players steamrolling scenarios this probably isnt the best recourse.
Fromper |
Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible
Xorphitus |
Very nice - thanks for all the great suggestions! (I'd like to run the scenario somewhere at levels 4-6, by the way.) Besides Blakros Matrimony, especially The Disappeared sounds very intriguing, if run right. And some of Chris O'Reilly's suggestions sound cool as well...
Damn, I wish we had more time to run more scenarios. After an RPG hiatus of over 10 years, I'm really amazed by the quality of many of the adventures you can buy nowadays. Kudos to Paizo!
Vheod |
3-17 Red Harvest
Levels 7-11
I've never seen so much role playing in my life!
In the naga-ruled nation of Nagajor in southern Tian Xia, the Pathfinder Society finds itself caught between feuding factions in a remote village. Forced to choose a side, the decisions of the agents involved could determine whether or not the Society gains access to a valuable religious artifact considered sacred by the village's nagaji population.
Just being able to talk to people who don't speak common was interesting in itself. A fun mod, but challenging to run.