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I have gunslingers in my world, but my setting is more Renaissance/Colonial by nature, so they fit.


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Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.

Yeah, I really liked that one. But it was just the 1 volume out of 6 in an otherwise purely fantasy AP.

A whole 6-vol sci-fi AP is a bit too much for my tastes. Even though I'm a fan of sci-fi (most of the novels I buy are sf), its just not what I'm looking for from Pathfinder.


Jeven wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.
Yeah, I really liked that one. But it was just the 1 volume out of 6 in an otherwise purely fantasy AP.

Except for book 4, of course, where the PCs travel to Triaxus, the 7th planet in the solar system.


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Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.

how is Rasputin Must Die! jumping the shark? the term of which means that something so preposterous happens that the show (or in this case game) can never recover. seems a bit of an overreaction by yourself and domocles guile. have you two even read or played thru it?


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Given the overwhelmingly positive response to RMD!, I have to agree with the captain. Like it or not, your cup of tea or not, it's very much not a jump the shark moment.


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Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Except for book 4, of course, where the PCs travel to Triaxus, the 7th planet in the solar system.

Triaxus is a fantasy setting with magic, dragon-riders and other fantasy monsters and no obvious tech.

Yes, its a planet, but so is Golarion and every other fantasy world.


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Between Distant Worlds selling well beyond expectations and Rasputin Must Die! being received so well, there's more than enough people that want more Weird SCience/Sci Fi Fantasy/ Sword & Planet love.

Don't worry. Not every AP is going to be people's cup of tea. So just unsubscribe and resub when the next AP happens.


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Odraude wrote:

Between Distant Worlds selling well beyond expectations and Rasputin Must Die! being received so well, there's more than enough people that want more Weird SCience/Sci Fi Fantasy/ Sword & Planet love.

Don't worry. Not every AP is going to be people's cup of tea. So just unsubscribe and resub when the next AP happens.

or don't subscribe at all and pick and choose at your FLGS, works for me:)

myself? i never considered myself as the sort of guy that liked to mix the two, but i've come around and i'm genuinely excited for this AP and especially The Mummy's Mask, as you said Paizo did such a great job with both Distant Worlds and Rasputin Must Die! they've earned the accolades.

also once you let the mad genius that is James L. Sutter out of his cage, Sarenrae and Asmodeus combined can't put him back:)

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Odraude wrote:
I have gunslingers in my world, but my setting is more Renaissance/Colonial by nature, so they fit.

And that's totally cool.

If there is a demand or desire by the players and the Dm is ok with it great. I don't run Golarion and my group is more into classic quasi-medieval AD&D feel, even if it's a mish-mash of specific middle and later age technologies, so gunslingers are a no-go for many reasons.

And I get people’s concerns with a full AP that covers sci-fi material. I dropped mid-way through Jade Regent because I'm not a fan OA style gaming. I was never going to run it, and I kept my subs until the landscape in the AP changed to a region I would never run - if I ever run Golarion.

But as others have said - you can cancel your sub, see how the first mod pans out and re-sub or just skip the AP entirely.

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I'm really hoping to see something like a collapsed android processing facility that has been taken over by a cultist of Urgathoa that has raised all of the dead androids as undying servants.

I just want horrible, mutilated android bodies with glowing internal components wailing with distorted mechanical voices in the dark. Imagine their genesis tanks shattered, an inescapable coldness and hunger deep inside overriding all logic and reason, replacing their programming with a single hatred: the living.

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I mean Numeria does border Ustalav.

It practically writes itself.


Robert Brookes wrote:

I'm really hoping to see something like a collapsed android processing facility that has been taken over by a cultist of Urgathoa that has raised all of the dead androids as undying servants.

I just want horrible, mutilated android bodies with glowing internal components wailing with distorted mechanical voices in the dark. Imagine their genesis tanks shattered, an inescapable coldness and hunger deep inside overriding all logic and reason, replacing their programming with a single hatred: the living.

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captain yesterday wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.
how is Rasputin Must Die! jumping the shark? the term of which means that something so preposterous happens that the show (or in this case game) can never recover. seems a bit of an overreaction by yourself and domocles guile. have you two even read or played thru it?

Who's not calm? I adore the idea of Numeria. I love SciFi in my Fantasy.

As for the shark, well, how can I put this. For a D&D-descended game to travel to "the real world," which is reminiscent of everything from The Gamers to Guardians of the Flame, just makes me picture the Fonz with his thumb in the air, you know?

I'm not hating. I just think it's pretty damn absurd.

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Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.

Judging from feedback and reviews and all that... I'm pretty sure we didn't.


James Jacobs wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.
Judging from feedback and reviews and all that... I'm pretty sure we didn't.

Last night in my gaming group somebody described it as "Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand for Pathfinder."

YMMV, obviously.

And regardless, if travelling to Russia circa 1918 in the middle of an epic fantasy game isn't jumping the shark, a Numerian AP certainly isn't.

Which is kind of what I was getting at in the first place.


Problem is, it may have been what you intended, but it wasn't what you said. =)

(Also explain the black hand thing please.)


Orthos wrote:
Problem is, it may have been what you intended, but it wasn't what you said. =)

Yes, I should have been more specific. I momentarily forgot how much butthurt could be found on the Internet.

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I vaguely recall an old Dragon adventure in which the heroes travel to 'real' Earth to find the Mace of St. Cuthbert. This Rasputin thing reminds me of that.

(There was an even older mention of an evil high priest and some monsters and undead being transported to fight some Nazis, in Best of Dragon 1, with some hot panzerfaust-on-troll action. That was pretty awesome!)

Numeria reminds me of Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (with a dash of Thundarr), which was *awesome* on all counts. Two thumbs (and some tentacles) up. As long as there are no Egg of Coot references, I'll be totally on board.


Orthos wrote:

Problem is, it may have been what you intended, but it wasn't what you said. =)

(Also explain the black hand thing please.)

DSotBH was an infamous supplement for Vampire: the Masquerade that, among other things, declared that everything previously known about vampirism was wrong and vampires were all unknowing puppets of a malevolent force. It was not well received and has been largely shoved under the rug by fans, neither of which is remotely true about Rasputin must Die!.


Set wrote:
I vaguely recall an old Dragon adventure in which the heroes travel to 'real' Earth to find the Mace of St. Cuthbert. This Rasputin thing reminds me of that.

By Robert M. Schroeck, from Dragon #100.


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Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.
how is Rasputin Must Die! jumping the shark? the term of which means that something so preposterous happens that the show (or in this case game) can never recover. seems a bit of an overreaction by yourself and domocles guile. have you two even read or played thru it?

Who's not calm? I adore the idea of Numeria. I love SciFi in my Fantasy.

As for the shark, well, how can I put this. For a D&D-descended game to travel to "the real world," which is reminiscent of everything from The Gamers to Guardians of the Flame, just makes me picture the Fonz with his thumb in the air, you know?

I'm not hating. I just think it's pretty damn absurd.

Can someone else please explain why "Jumping the Shark" is seen as negative, i don't have time right now, if not i'll try later:)


captain yesterday wrote:
Can someone else please explain why "Jumping the Shark" is seen as negative, i don't have time right now, if not i'll try later:)

You must have been the one person who liked that episode of Happy Days. :)


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Cthulhudrew wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Can someone else please explain why "Jumping the Shark" is seen as negative, i don't have time right now, if not i'll try later:)
You must have been the one person who liked that episode of Happy Days. :)

you misundestood what im saying cthuludrew please read further up the thread


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okay here goes, the reason why jumping the shark is the wrong analogy in relation to ANYTHING paizo does is because it was such a terrible episode and completely destroyed happy days and since has signified what happens when a show (or in this case game) does something so absurdly stupid it can never recover. That is not Rasputin Must Die! And im almost positiue wont be Iron Gods, paizo has and i believe always will approached ALL their books with thought, intelligence, excitement and a firm grasp of not doing things just for the shock value or just to say they did, they dont put stuff out unless they firmly believe in it and are all genuinely excited about it. I hope this sounds right its been a long long week, and i have a bit of a buzz right now:)


I love what I hear about Iron Gods. My version of Numeria has become different over the years than Paizo's, I'll adapt whatever is produced.

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Oh, it is almost impossible to "Jump The Shark" in a kitchen sink setting like Golarion. And D&D...well, Pathfinder is following honored roads into sci-fantasy blending.

AHEM.

That said, Thank you! I've been waiting for this since I first started playing Pathfinder in the Golarion setting.


Please please please add an airship into this AP! If you do I'll buy two copies of the AP (one for me, one for a friend).


If there is no giant robot on kaiju battle in this, I will be sorely disappointed.

OH WAIT! In the Mythic Origins book (I don't own, I saw at my local game shop) the Star Titan's Grave in Valashmai apparently has to do with giant kaiju star-beings. There may be hope yet...


From the Department of Expectation Management:

We've already gone on record saying there won't be giant robot vs. kaiju fights in Iron Gods. As cool as that is... it (and a lot of other sci-fi) tropes are not part of the plot we have in the works for this Adventure Path.


Tom Rex wrote:

From the Department of Expectation Management:

We've already gone on record saying there won't be giant robot vs. kaiju fights in Iron Gods. As cool as that is... it (and a lot of other sci-fi) tropes are not part of the plot we have in the works for this Adventure Path.

From the Department of Expectations Shattered:

Poo.

Oh well, I'll just have to whip up my own adventure path for it :)


RARRRGHHHH!!!

(stomps all over everything!)


How would druids feel about such artificial, unnatural creations?

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How would druids feel about such artificial, unnatural creations?

Depends. Most will worry or hate about it. But some migh see it as a weird evolution of the race that made them. Remember Druids don't hate civilization (some do), but they wish to see it in balance to nature.

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Androids and druids is an interesting mix. But, at the end of the day, androids eat, drink, breathe, come into this world (through means that remain mysterious, but that doesn't make them any more 'unnatural' than the equally mysterious Samsarans) and can die like any living mortal creature. They don't seem particularly 'unnatural,' and they are treated as living creatures (and not constructs) for spell effects, etc.

Additionally, druids don't necessarily *have* to have any sort of problem with 'unnatural' creatures from other dimensions (like fey or elementals) or other worlds (like elves) or using a different energy source (negative, instead of positive, for those undead-friendly Uskwood druids), or even some types of constructs (leshies are constructed, even if occupied by nature spirits, and there are third-party wood and ice golems, wicker men and scarecrows, etc. crafted by druids).

Unlike a cleric of god X, who might all monolithically agree that anything X hates is bad, bad, bad, druids come in five different alignment sorts, can worship a dozen different gods, the Green Faith, or just 'nature' in an abstract sort of way, leading to hundreds of possible 'right' ways to play a druid, and as many possible reactions to an android as there are druids.

When a druid meets another druid who *is* an android, 'though, then it might get interesting. If the android *is* a druid, then clearly, it can't be some sort of anti-nature abomination. (Of course, someone who has already decided that it was an anti-nature abomination, sight unseen, might feel the need to quickly destroy it, to protect their so-very-obviously-wrong worldview, but they'd probably feel the same way upon meeting an undead druid or an outsider druid, and, if they were logically consistent, which seems vanishingly unlikely, when talking about an irrational hater, even a fey druid...)

A druid who has shrugged and made their peace with there being fey druids and fiendish druids and agathion druids and undead druids and all sorts of other whackiness might meet an android and consider it just another of the world's magnificent new ways to surprise them out of being all complacent and thinking that they've seen it all.


Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
I'm worried that Paizo might be jumping the shark a little,
Pretty sure that happened in Reign of Winter, book 5.
Judging from feedback and reviews and all that... I'm pretty sure we didn't.
Last night in my gaming group somebody described it as "Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand for Pathfinder.".

that is quite a hefty clAim!


Seth Parsons wrote:
Tom Rex wrote:

From the Department of Expectation Management:

We've already gone on record saying there won't be giant robot vs. kaiju fights in Iron Gods. As cool as that is... it (and a lot of other sci-fi) tropes are not part of the plot we have in the works for this Adventure Path.

From the Department of Expectations Shattered:

Poo.

Oh well, I'll just have to whip up my own adventure path for it :)

I'm shoehorning it in at the end anyway! Just like the ending of the first season of big o!


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Seth Parsons wrote:
Tom Rex wrote:

From the Department of Expectation Management:

We've already gone on record saying there won't be giant robot vs. kaiju fights in Iron Gods. As cool as that is... it (and a lot of other sci-fi) tropes are not part of the plot we have in the works for this Adventure Path.

From the Department of Expectations Shattered:

Poo.

Oh well, I'll just have to whip up my own adventure path for it :)

I'm shoehorning it in at the end anyway! Just like the ending of the first season of big o!

First season? You mean only season, right?

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Odraude wrote:
First season? You mean only season, right?

No he means first. There were 2. The second season CN financed in part. It also had a different intro. (Showed clips of show. Instead of cut out art.)


There were 2? Hmm, I'll have to watch it.

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Odraude wrote:
There were 2? Hmm, I'll have to watch it.

2 short seaons around 13? Episodes each. Japan has weird seaons.


We might not see kaiju vs robot battles, but will Cthulhu make a cameo?

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The only Kaiju (or Great Old Ones) I would accept for this AP are those that have been fully cyborged via Numerian star-tech, and are in fact, Mecha-Kaiju. Maybe even Psychic Mecha-Kaiju from Outer Space! (that can disassemble into swarms of metal-clad component creatures, swarms large enough to envelop armies or small villages).

It would be the Black Sovereign's 'doomsday weapon' against incursions from the Worldwound, 'cause it's not like Mendev, which occupies maybe 30% of the Worldwound border, gets 100% of the problems associated with a major demonic invasion happening just over the border...

But, since that seems unlikely, I'd settle for 'merely' cyborged and repurposed demons ("Go ahead, send more demons to test my defenses!", the Black Sovereign boasts, "I'll wrap them up in armor, equip them with sonic weapons, control their actions with slave chips implanted into their brains and spines, and send them right back at you!") and maybe a cyborg-dragon.

It would certainly explain why the demons of the Worldwound focus so much attention on Mendev, if Numeria (and Ustalav, and Belkzen, and the Mammoth Realms) have seriously spanked any advances in those directions, through various means.

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I want to see a mega sized city crusher robot that you have to crawl up inside to stop. Anyone remember the Tower of Babel fight in FFIV after the robot wakes up and starts walking?


James, the AP will be mainly Numerian centric or at certain point there will be a visit to another world on Golarion's solar system, like Aballon or Verces?.

In my opinion, it would be great if the AP haves an escalating progression, first two modules being pretty much Robert E. Howard like with some Frank Herbert put in them and then becoming progressively into a space fantasy/space opera a la Larry Niven or "Doc" Smith. Of course, you should let James L. Stutter go nuts in this if he participates, is a must!

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baronbloodbath wrote:
We might not see kaiju vs robot battles, but will Cthulhu make a cameo?

This is unlikely. But more likely than kaiju vs robot.

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Espagnoll wrote:

James, the AP will be mainly Numerian centric or at certain point there will be a visit to another world on Golarion's solar system, like Aballon or Verces?.

In my opinion, it would be great if the AP haves an escalating progression, first two modules being pretty much Robert E. Howard like with some Frank Herbert put in them and then becoming progressively into a space fantasy/space opera a la Larry Niven or "Doc" Smith. Of course, you should let James L. Stutter go nuts in this if he participates, is a must!

Iron Gods is set entirely in Numeria. There are lots of aliens involved, though... some from the Distant Worlds, many from beyond even that.

I gave James a right of first refusal to write one of these, but he's a busy guy, alas.

Oh... and it's Sutter, not Stutter. Although that's an amusing typo.


When you made the offer to James Sutter, and he had to refuse, did he scream "KHAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!"? :)

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I wonder if....will be a proper chase scene? With strange walkers or hover platforms?


Odraude wrote:
There were 2? Hmm, I'll have to watch it.

I thought you were making one of those "No, there is no second season" comments because the second was so bad it made people deny its existence. I've seen that a lot in fandoms where a later section takes a sudden nosedive in quality.

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I's say the 2nd season was good right up till the VERY end. Keep in mind they tried to cram about I dunno 2 seaons worth of story into 1/2 a standard season. Honestly they didn't need to answer how or why. Leaving it a mystery would have been fine with me.

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