Found out one PC worships Rovagug... What should I do?


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Tryn wrote:

What matters are his actions, not which god he (think) follows.

The gods portfolio contains "Wrath, Disaster, Destruction", so nothing "true evil" and didn't contain Ragathiels portfiol also includes wrath, ;)

Ragathiel:

Portfolio: Chivalry, chastity, duty, vengeance
Domains: Destruction, Good, Law, Nobility

Rovagug:
Portfolio: Wrath Disaster Destruction
Domains: Chaos, Evil, Destruction, Weather, War


BerserkerRed wrote:
It is ridiculously rare for a follower/worshipper of Rov to be just some regular dude/dudette who does nothing to further the destruction of the universe as a whole. Most Rov followers/worshippers are lunatics/insane/mad men who only want the world to burn.

My emphasis.

Having behaviour that is rare suggests that there are exceptions. 'Most' also suggests this.

Could this character not be that exception and the player simply wanting to play a character that is different?

As for 'evil behaviour' - try analysing the actions of most gaming sessions and counting up the murders, thefts and burglaries that take place. Just because a creature is evil doesn't give you the right to kill it without a trial.


Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
Zhayne wrote:


The question has yet to be answered, 'other than the sacrifice thing, what has he been doing/how has he been acting up to this point'?

Other than that, Ms Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?

Well that would sound a lot more convincing if the barbarian actually did something evil, which he hasn't....

Dark Archive

I'm on the "no longer adventure with the character" bandwagon. Rovagug is a god who caused the other gods to band together and imprison him. By selecting Rovagug as his god, he must have known it would create strife. Rovagug is the pre-eminent evil in Golarion. Any inquisitor of a good god is going to try and, at the very least, convert him to their own god.

If the character isn't actually acting chaotic evil then they've made that choice to be deliberately antagonistic.


Funny enough, Groetus has motifs similar to those of Rovagug, but he's not evil.

The barbarian could instead worship Groetus, with little to no change to his methods.


Should be noted and followed but suspend judgment. Would his open worship cause more attention to his actions? Of course. Without such open displays, a character can do quite a bit of evilish works (unless he is a paladin or cleric) and be swept under the rug as having a bad day or just a little overboard. A character who OPENLY shows devotion to a dark power just suspended all doubt in the case of future dark deeds.

The paladin or cleric would definately confront the player and say "that dark ones ways are not the way. If you follow this dark being truly in your heart, then your way lies not with our way. Turn back brother and join the light..." or something like that. Then step back and observe.

In a nutshell, dont boot him yet.


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Back home, the shaman taught me how to make proper sacrifices to bring good fortune, and how you should always pray to the spirit Rovagug, who protects our tribe. He said I shouldn't do it in front of outsiders, but you guys are like family. I have no Knowledge: Religion, but what's good enough for my ancestors is good enough for me! Why are you looking at me like that? What did I do wrong?


Your shaman is a fool who's doomed his soul.

You're an even bigger fool for not realizing that.


TheLoneCleric wrote:
Actually, he might. Asmodeous is a god of Law. If the merchant always kept his word and honored his contracts, then well...you have a LE god who fits the bill right there. Especially if he's a native of Cheliax. he might not be an evil person. Unless you are a Cleric, you can worship just about any god really.

No i don't think so. Let's use your example, a LG merchant who lives in Chelliax and said merchant worships Asmodeus and have him as a patron deity, otherwise he leads a fairly uneventful life... you know what will happen when he dies? instead of going directly to Asmodeus' domain in Hell he will be judged by Pharasma in order to determine his soul's destination (even reincarnation) because a LG soul doesn't belong in Hell.

And why doesn't belong? becuase it's good and good souls don't naturally go to hell.
Now if said merchant was having Abadar as his patron then he would go directly to Abadar's domain in the golden city of Axis without Pharasma judging his soul.
As my personal rule you don't get to have a deity as your patron if you are more than one step away from the deity's alignment, sure you can pray and worship other deities if the need arises but your alignment must be within one step of your patron's alignment.

Kthulhu wrote:
A barbarian who casually worships Rovagug is probably gonna be less of a problem for inter-party functionality than a holier-than-though t&$@ of a paladin.

No. While i agree that paladins (any LG character) can cause problems for some parties (evil gangs, criminals, scoundrels, pirates etc.), a follower of Rovagug is going to cause problems for every party except one (all followers of Rovagug), seriously even the most vile deities of Golarion like Lamasthu don't get along/fear/despise/don't want Rovagug to succeed in his goal.

We are talking about a deity who wants to destroy everything and everybody, the planets, the stars, the planes, the immortal souls. EVERYTHING.


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Chrysanthe Spiros wrote:

Your shaman is a fool who's doomed his soul.

You're an even bigger fool for not realizing that.

You have convinced me with your powerful arguments! I renounce my faith!


Matthew Downie wrote:
Back home, the shaman taught me how to make proper sacrifices to bring good fortune, and how you should always pray to the spirit Rovagug, who protects our tribe. He said I shouldn't do it in front of outsiders, but you guys are like family. I have no Knowledge: Religion, but what's good enough for my ancestors is good enough for me! Why are you looking at me like that? What did I do wrong?

This would be the perfect start to a Damascene conversion actually, as the barbarian realises the evil he has unwittingly worshipped and vows to make amends by using his rage in the service of Ragathiel - mirroring Ragathiel's own story in many ways.


Umbranus wrote:
Tryn wrote:

What matters are his actions, not which god he (think) follows.

The gods portfolio contains "Wrath, Disaster, Destruction", so nothing "true evil" and didn't contain Ragathiels portfiol also includes wrath, ;)

Ragathiel:

Portfolio: Chivalry, chastity, duty, vengeance
Domains: Destruction, Good, Law, Nobility

Rovagug:
Portfolio: Wrath Disaster Destruction
Domains: Chaos, Evil, Destruction, Weather, War

Domains are only something that a cleric is involved with. Since the Barbarian isn't a cleric, they don't relate to him.

The barbarian respects Wrath, Disaster, and Destruction and venerates the god who represents these. No real problem there.

D&D is usually a game of "murder hobos" (as one player once put it to me). You travel the land like a vagabond kicking in the doors of sentient beings, killing them, and taking stuff from their corpses.

It's a slippery slope to suddenly point at another character and state that you need to do something about their quirks. If an inquisitor is nuts enough to go that far then he should also be upset with any character that doesn't follow the same god or follow its tenants.

Unless he is trying to convert the entire party he should probably just let this slide.


It isn't really intressting who a normal people dedicated as his "patron deity", the more mporten question is "what is he doing".

There are so many references of this, e.g. European Kings who "converter" to christianity, naming the christian god as their "patron god" but still honor the old ways of their ancestors.

I would simply watch him closely, maybe talk to him to explain him what's the problem with his god, what he stands for etc.
Maybe, as Matthew already stated, he isn't aware of the god being evil (believe it or not, there is no portfolio of each god in the world^^).
Maybe it's the patron god of his tribe, so he don't know any other gods or were thought the other were "evil".

I think this would make a awesome RP scenario. :)


Matthew Downie wrote:
Chrysanthe Spiros wrote:

Your shaman is a fool who's doomed his soul.

You're an even bigger fool for not realizing that.

You have convinced me with your powerful arguments! I renounce my faith!

She could actually be bothered to elaborate as to what she meant with said "arguments",

but she'd initially assume that one would listen to her only because of the fact that she's a wizard.


Zhayne wrote:
1. Classes don't come with baked-in personalities. Free will and all that.

Um... Yeah, they do.

If you meet a Paladin of Iomedae or a Cleric of Cayden Cailean, you have a really damned good idea of how that person is going to act, because by the very nature of their class, that person has wholly devoted their lives and afterlives to the service and ideals of their chosen deity.

A cleric or paladin of Sarenrae should by all rights be burning this guy into the ground for being a servant of the rough beast. That is a FACT.

EDIT: Now, neither the OP nor the cleric cohort follow Sarenrae (so that's beside the point), but as good-aligned divine classes, you would not sit around and do nothing.

Convert/redeem him if he knows what he's doing (even if it's not to your religion; Gorum is a great alternative for barbarians), educate/enlighten him if he doesn't (again point him in the direction of Gorum at the very least), and only show him the door as a last resort.

Liberty's Edge

OP, you should play it exactly the way it feels to you. This previously trusted party member shows a previously unknown and likely unsettling part of who he his.

Your PC is quite in his right to confront him about this and tell him about all the doubts and negative ideas this gave him. Then see how he answers to this. Then your PC makes his mind about how he will treat the Rovagug-worshipper in the future.

This should make for memorable roleplay on everyone's part ;-)


Taason the Black wrote:
The paladin or cleric would definately confront the player and say "that dark ones ways are not the way. If you follow this dark being truly in your heart, then your way lies not with our way. Turn back brother and join the light..." or something like that. Then step back and observe.

So... have an intervention?

Harrison wrote:
Zhayne wrote:
1. Classes don't come with baked-in personalities. Free will and all that.
Um... Yeah, they do.

No, they don't, otherwise you wouldn't have much variance between individuals. Your stance that players should open up pvp and burn someone alive is a little unnerving btw. It can be expected that a cleric will follow tenants, but two clerics of the same deity could be very different people.

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End of the day. It's GM call. Talk to the player, explain the issues, make the sure the group is cool with it or not. Offer alternatives, and move on.


Set, Lazarx, Kthulhu, - you all seem to have had a lot of problems with paladin PCs! IME, the chaotic neutral thug is the most common problem character, not the guy who wants to play a paladin.

To speak to the original post, would the barbarian's player be open to the idea of your PC trying to convert him? If so, there's a lot of role-playing potential here. If this would just annoy the player, you can simply state that that's what your character is trying to do, but don't spend game time on it.


Corathon wrote:

Set, Lazarx, Kthulhu, - you all seem to have had a lot of problems with paladin PCs! IME, the chaotic neutral thug is the most common problem character, not the guy who wants to play a paladin.

Same here, although we had the occasional bump of heads on where the line was with paladins and clerics (although not druis and rangers, we seem to be of the same mind on them) but nothing too serious*, the CN characters on the other hand are most often problematic (although in a less severe but constant way).

*the most severe ones where:
1)a paladin of Serenrae who fell from grace and then ended up joining the paladin order of Iomidae
2)a cleric of Cayden Cailan who was punished for his minor transgretions by not being able to consume alchohol unti he atoned (seriously every alchoholic beverage he was about to drink turned to water the momement the cup touched his lips, it was hilarious)

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