Can we Smurf "Rouge" vs. "rogue"?


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Please, dear Paizo webheads, can we create an icon - say a make-up compact or lipstick tube - that replaces the poster's icon when they use the word "rouge?"

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I'm gonna go with "nope."


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Bummer. Just had to get that pet peeve out there ;-)


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I am the Rouge Rogue. The Crimson Chameleon. The Red Robber. The Scarlet Scammsterer. (My spell-checker thinks Scammsterer is not a word. Silly computer.)
The Ginger Jester. The Rojo Rover. No. That's it, I quit.


Honestly that would be really good. I like the idea a lot. It would help.


Oh, please? Can we?


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Please no. Not all of us are expert typists.


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ugh I am firmly in favor of this
because even though I do not actually have feelings
rouge makes me discompute


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I have no pity for commoner typists.


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Marthian wrote:
Please no. Not all of us are expert typists.

It wouldn't really punish or humiliate anyone though. Just a friendly reminder and a bit of fun. It's a service to everyone!

Scarab Sages

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Rogue is probably one of the toughest words for those with dyslexia. I'm glad you feel superior if it's not a problem for you.


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Yar!

Some of you know, but I fear that some may be unaware of a simple little fact.

"Rouge" is an actual word. It has it's roots in the french language, translates to "Red". It is most commonly associated with lipstick and/or other cosmetic products. It has also found it's way into naming conventions for both characters (the variations on the Red Thief mentioned above), locales such as the restaurant The Bistro Rouge, or even services such as Air Canada Rouge.

Changing one's avatar whenever they type some derivative of the word RED would by highly obnoxious. Same with Sapphire/blue/aqua/ultramarine/periwinkle/liberty/independence/space cadet/azure/cerulean/zaffre/indigo.

Smurfs, on the other hand, are a recent (as far as language is concerned) invention, specifically meaning a small blue cartoon creature whose own language is made up primarily (but not entirely) of the word "smurf", used to mean just about anything and everything regardless of inflection.

The smurf avatar change is not based on a common typo, nor a word that has been a standard part of a living language since it's gradual inception from previous languages. Rouge is from "[French, from Old French, red, from Latin rubeus; see reudh- in Indo-European roots." Smurf has its origins (as far as I can tell) in animation. It is a silly word with silly associations (it's use as nearly every word in a language used by the creatures called the same word). I may be wrong, but I have yet to witness a typo leading to a smurf. It's inclusion in a post seems to be specific to an actual smurf as we know them. The image of a smurf is rather iconic as well. The uniqueness of the word combined with the iconic image associated with it makes for a silly, light hearted quirk of the forums.

An avatar change for typing rouge would (for most of us here) be nothing more than publicly calling out a typo (in my opinion). The avatar change associated with smurfs is nothing like this. It is light hearted and silly. It is something that adds a kind of quirkiness to paizo without being demeaning or even unintentionally malicious.

Quirks are only endearing if they are small, light hearted, and unique (not overbearing, either in quantity of or quality of, so that one cannot be effectively communicated with anymore). Smurfs is this. Adding rouge/rouge typo admonishment is (in my opinion) crossing the line.

Also (if this gets implemented. This is a hypothetical. I'm not asserting that it will happen), what happens when one types rouge and smurf in the same post? What if more words are added to the list? How do they interact?

Someone in paizo-land will have to write up a code for each possible combination. The smurf code was added in fun, early on in paizonian existence, most likely as a fun side project, a gag, and maybe even as an exercise in familiarizing oneself with forum code. Now that paizo is bigger and busier, the complexity of new codes to implement this idea without breaking things as it interacts with similar code that already exists to do something similar and the inevitable firing of both codes at the same time, such an effort would be, in my opinion, not even remotely worth it. New code that improved the website, they layout, and the ease of which on can interact with are all good, and all serve the company with a motivation to make profits. Such niceties help them make profits. This idea does not (again, in my opinion) help them do this. It would be them "forcing the unskillled typers some education!" in a very passive-aggressive way, while simultaneously reprimanding those who use the actual word "rouge" in a legitimate fashion.

I get that it (the typo version) annoys some of us. What about other common mistakes, like the/teh, weather/whether, their/there/they're, desert/dessert, its/it's, and/nad, the misuse of a/an before a word, etc? Even if it was only for rogue/rouge, I cannot see how any effort to do something like this could be worth it at all for paizo as a company. This company is not in the business of teaching people how to type without making mistakes on their forums via passive-aggressiveness. And I (personally) hope it never becomes so.

Your (in a general sense, not any specific poster) personal need to educate the masses on a typo is not the responsibility of the company that runs this site.

(though I totally understand the pet peeve. I do not like reading typos or words misused either, even though I have made my share of those mistakes myself)

EDIT: O_O

I'm smurfette!

:O

*checks pants*

...still a dude. *phew*

^_^

~P


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Yeah, you never know what Smurf you are going to get, Pirate. It's a Smurf Roulette! ;)

The Rouge/Rogue thing is a little off, but since most of us get the gist of what is being said it is more of a typo/nuisance thing than something that needs a new icon.

Or basically everything Pirate just said +1.


I say we rename the class to Scoundrel, in order to avoid this debate in the future. lol


Rather than a lipstick tube, the icon should be Rouge the Bat from the Sonic games.

She is, in fact, a rogue named Rouge. :)


Pirate wrote:

Also (if this gets implemented. This is a hypothetical. I'm not asserting that it will happen), what happens when one types rouge and smurf in the same post? What if more words are added to the list? How do they interact?

A red smurf?

Edit: Hee, hee. I just wanted to be smurfed!


Red rouge plus blue smurf obviously equals Purple Smurfs, aka the zombie smurfpocalypse.


I suggest that the rogue class should be renamed to something that is easier to spell, such as "skill monkey".

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Pirate wrote:
Smurf has its origins (as far as I can tell) in animation. It is a silly word with silly associations (it's use as nearly every word in a language used by the creatures called the same word).

Smurf actually also has French roots: It was originally in a Belgian comic as 'Schtroumpf'. Which was translated into Dutch (and then to English) as 'Smurf'. Possibly because 'Schtroumpf' sounds like the word for 'sock' in German and Dutch.

('Schtroumpf' is a still a nonsense word made up as an inside joke by a Belgian cartoonist, but it's a French nonsense word.)

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I may be wrong, but I have yet to witness a typo leading to a smurf.

I can't think of any typos (though being Smurfed might make people rather quick to spot their typos and edit them away), but there are a few legitimate English and/or Pathfinder rules constructions that get Smurfed. I leave trying to find them as an exercise for the reader.


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Ross Byers wrote:
there are a few legitimate English and/or Pathfinder rules constructions that get <redacted>. I leave trying to find them as an exercise for the reader.

I remember "world's morphic field" from the Ask James Jacobs thread.

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I don't like smurfs, but I'm in favour of terrible punishment being brought down on inaccurate spellings of 'rogue'.


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Hey! What about all those sheild weilding theif dieties, along with their eidilons, edilons and elidons?

*ducks for cover*

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I before E, except after C.
Or in cases of A, as in neighbor or weigh.
And Tuesdays and Thursdays and all throughout May.
So you'll be wrong whatever you say.


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"It's morphing time" will also trigger the avatar change.

Sovereign Court

morph

Interesting...

morphic

morpheus

jon morphs into john

It is morphing time!

So specific...

References to the Slor should be included.

Scarab Sages

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How about:
Its morphing time!

Scarab Sages

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logic_poet wrote:

How about:

Its morphing time!

Yeah! My favored enemy typo is respected!


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Wait, what? Why does adding the apostrophe cause the avatar change to happen?

Let's try this out:
Its murfing time!


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But now it's murfing time.


It's Murphy's Law in operation!

Sovereign Court

So it's marphellous?


It's Merv Griffin!

EDIT: V don't work. Let's try this:

S M R F

Scarab Sages

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Anyone know soundex well enough to tell if that's the algorithm the site is using?


Simeruf.


smruf


smeerf

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I'm hoping for Papa Smurf.

Grand Lodge

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We can't do that. Think of all our cosmetics discussions!


Yar!

...

*facepalm*

What have I done to this thread?!

*quietly cries himself to sleep when no one is looking*

~P

Scarab Sages

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P33J wrote:
I'm hoping for Papa S----. [ed.]

Keep hopping. :-)

Scarab Sages

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How about La la, la la la la! And what of this unprefixed url?

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Poet, you might might find this thread enlightening.


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Robb Lukasik wrote:
Rogue is probably one of the toughest words for those with dyslexia. I'm glad you feel superior if it's not a problem for you.

It truly is.

As a fellow dyslexic, though, I find the idea absolutely hilarious and wish it was implemented. Heaven knows it'd help me learn (this is basically the technique they use in dyslexia therapy - teaching you to "highlight" the "wrong" things yourself through subtle mental cues).


Robb Lukasik wrote:
Rogue is probably one of the toughest words for those with dyslexia. I'm glad you feel superior if it's not a problem for you.

Nope, not all. There are much harder words. Tomorrow for example is great one. Another would be Convenience. Those are hard words for me, I miss spell them all the time and really have issue with. I'm more likely to spell rogue and rgoue being dyslexic as I just that only spell chceker got it.

Scarab Sages

Hey, Tacticslion agreed with me so at least I'm not alone.

Let me rephrase. For those with a writing related disability, rogue is one of the most frequently misspelled words that is commonly used in D&D and around the Paizo boards on a daily basis.

My main point was that while shaming someone (by replacing their avatar image) might be effective, there are nicer ways to point out harmless mistakes.

I'm suggesting their are more compassionate ways to correct someone, whether the problem is due to disability, or just plain ignorance.

That's my last word on the subject. I'll let the smurfs take it from here.

Dark Archive

Smurf??


Ack I'm a smurf of the wrong gender...

Dark Archive

Much better.


Smurf.


Just checkin'.

Anyway. I think you could set it up for the phrase "playing a rouge" or a combination of "rouge" and levels 1 - 20 and it would catch most of them.

Shouldn't be too complicated.

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