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Goblin Squad Member

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Any chance we could get a sub-forum here named "Goblin Squad" or maybe even "Goblin Squad on Darkfall", so we can continue to organize ourselves here without cluttering up this forum?

Or, could we get some direction from the mods about how to go about organizing ourselves here - since we're very much a Pathfinder Online group?

Thank you.

Goblin Squad Member

You want a sub-forum for another game? I don't see that happening.

Goblin Squad Member

Yeah they set up this section for Pathfinder Online, we might as well use it.

Goblin Squad Member

Not much to lose by asking.

Goblin Squad Member

Feros wrote:
Yeah they set up this section for Pathfinder Online, we might as well use it.

This is for Pathfinder Online.

Goblin Squad Member

You could always move this type of discussion to the darkfall boards or make a webpage for your guild in that game.

Goblin Squad Member

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Phyllain wrote:
You could always move this type of discussion to the darkfall boards or make a webpage for your guild in that game.

Yea, you don't understand. It's for PFO.

Just to head off other posts for people who are in the dark, Ryan advised us to find a f2p PvP game to practice and build the PFO community in. So this has nothing (other than happenstance) to do with Darkfall. It's about PFO, so it belongs in the PFO forums, because it's about PFO.

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Go Mbando!

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Mbando wrote:
Phyllain wrote:
You could always move this type of discussion to the darkfall boards or make a webpage for your guild in that game.

Yea, you don't understand. It's for PFO.

Just to head off other posts for people who are in the dark, Ryan advised us to find a f2p PvP game to practice and build the PFO community in. So this has nothing (other than happenstance) to do with Darkfall. It's about PFO, so it belongs in the PFO forums, because it's about PFO.

There are also groups grooming up in other games as well, for the same purpose.

PFOFan TS has had a LotRO group for over a month. There are a number of us who are playing EvE Online, also a Dancey suggested game. I'm even thinking if trying out Age if Wushu and have invited Harad Navar to join me in it.

The point is, none of these game, including Darkfall, are Paizo products. If any support is to be expected, the treads could be moved to their Video Games sub forum. That I think would be the most appropriate support to be granted.

Goblin Squad Member

You're not really thinking this through with any kind of clarity Bludd.

A group playing in LotRO can't practice for a PVP game, since it's not by design a PvP game, whereas a group playing in EVE could. So you're conflating diametrically opposed practices. The conceptual shift you need to make is from "games people on these boards are playing" to "community level practice and crowdforging for PFO." And of course, the group playing EVE is doing the same thing--if it made sense to have a sub-forum for this kind of practice and crowdforging, it would make sense for people playing EVE in a deliberate PFO community to post there as well, compare notes, share ideas, etc.

And the point isn't that Darkfall or EVE isn't a Paizo product. That's self-evident--kind of a "duh" point. The relevant point would be that Paizo has an interest in PFO, and this sort of deliberate community building and crowdforging reflects an interest in PFO. I have no idea if Paizo thinks it's worth the effort or resources to make a sub-forum, but you're confused about the alignment of interests.

Goblin Squad Member

Actually, LotRO does have PvP. You can play on the Monster side, very early on. (Unlocks at level 10) if I remember correctly. The Free People's side unlock at level 40, I'm told.

The system is Tsb targeting, and you have action trays and key binds, very typical MMO PvP system. Sure there is no siege PvP, but the rest seems to be there.

I'm not sure what was unclear about my previous post?

There are many MMOs, some are even F2P, that would make suitable testing grounds for PvP and provide that added community building aspect you seek.

Age of Conan is another good candidate, which also has fort siege PvP and probably the best melee combat system of any MMO. The PvP servers are notoriously brutal, and you will have to learn to wade through many griefers, again good practice.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

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And if there comes into existence a Goblin Squad presence there, it would be appropriate to separate the GS coordination in those games from the PFO coordination.

Personally, I think that the pfofan.com forum are the best place for that until the Goblinworks forum is up, but it's going to be hard to overcome the resistance to another account on another site.

Goblin Squad Member

I'm not suggesting a new sub-forum be created for every game that any number of Goblin Squad members joins.

I'm suggesting a sub-forum for Darkfall only, because that's the game that a diverse bunch of the PFO Forum Community decided to join, and because that's the game Ryan Dancey said he would play with us.

Goblin Squad Member

I don't think any company would create a forum for discussion related to a competitors product. I think Ryan was giving friendly advice when he suggested playing other games. It shouldn't be considered advocacy for other games by Goblin Works or Paizo.

Goblin Squad Member

I think what we really need is the Pathfinder Online forums. We don't have our own off-topic / roleplay / guild recruitment sections because we are on the Paizo forums and they already have all that stuff. Pathfinder Online is it's own community though and I want to discuss those things with members of the PFO community.

So a general "off topic" or "community projects" section would help a ton. I think for now though we should start a free board or a group on enjin because we need something right away.

Goblin Squad Member

Yeah Yeah, lets make yet another thread about Darkfall. Better yet, a whole subforum...

If you make one for Darkfall then we will require one for Eve, LotRO, MWO, SWTOR, and maybe WoW.

/sarcasm

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Perhaps as Decius suggests, try to get everyone to sign up at PFO_Fan? At least that website is up and running and usable, I think Dak would be ok with it, that is a check to make?

But in the interim, these forums will be low key for a stretch or two as the devs have said, so keep posting here until perhaps that solution can be coaxed out of the relevant people?!

Goblin Squad Member

PFOFan.com will work if we need to move off of these forums - and only the mods can tell us if that's the case. However, I would prefer to keep everything on these forums so it's easier for new players to find out about it.

I wouldn't worry much about anything we post about Darkfall being considered advocacy. I think we all pretty much agree that it's terrible. Actually playing Darkfall has given me a much greater appreciation of Ryan's efforts to keep PFO from devolving into a toxic grief-fest of meaningless PvP.

Scarab Sages Goblinworks Executive Founder

Yup, you're more than welcome to jump on PFOFan.com. I can create a forum/subforums as you need.

Goblin Squad Member

Dak,

I have posted one goal setting post there. Hard for folks to migrate over, but I would hate to see all your hard work not get appreciated for another year. I'll start using them more often. Still mixed on the preferences for this issue, but you've done a Yeoman's job on the site (that's a good thing, in case you were wondering)!

TS works finally. Not sure what the problem was, but I am sure operator error had the lion's share. Thanks again for the reset.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

I propose that we should start posting in pfofan forums and cross-posting links only to the official PFO forums, in a manner that is easy for non participants to ignore.

Goblin Squad Member

OK, I can not get into this Windows only system, but I do want to follow. If thread move away, please let us voyeurs know where to follow.
8-)==

Goblin Squad Member

Lam wrote:
... please let us voyeurs know where to follow.

Will do :)

Goblin Squad Member

Xeen wrote:

Yeah Yeah, lets make yet another thread about Darkfall. Better yet, a whole subforum...

If you make one for Darkfall then we will require one for Eve, LotRO, MWO, SWTOR, and maybe WoW.

/sarcasm

I'm hoping they create a sub forum for Pathfinder Online.

/Really Sarcastic

Goblin Squad Member

Bluddwolf wrote:
Xeen wrote:

Yeah Yeah, lets make yet another thread about Darkfall. Better yet, a whole subforum...

If you make one for Darkfall then we will require one for Eve, LotRO, MWO, SWTOR, and maybe WoW.

/sarcasm

I'm hoping they create a sub forum for Pathfinder Online.

/Really Sarcastic

You could try Flagging the post. The mods are usually pretty good about moving things to other forums when they don't belong here.

[Edit] Not being sarcastic.

Goblin Squad Member

Nihimon wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:
Xeen wrote:

Yeah Yeah, lets make yet another thread about Darkfall. Better yet, a whole subforum...

If you make one for Darkfall then we will require one for Eve, LotRO, MWO, SWTOR, and maybe WoW.

/sarcasm

I'm hoping they create a sub forum for Pathfinder Online.

/Really Sarcastic

You could try Flagging the post. The mods are usually pretty good about moving things to other forums when they don't belong here.

[Edit] Not being sarcastic.

First off, I was just joking and being sarcastic.

I rarely if ever flag a post, I have such a high threshold for tolerance of offensive speech, it would shock most people.

I could care less what Paizo allows on their forums.

Goblin Squad Member

Bluddwolf wrote:
I could care less what Paizo allows on their forums.

I actually care quite a bit. I also care what Goblinworks allows in Pathfinder Online.

Goblin Squad Member

Nihimon wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:
I could care less what Paizo allows on their forums.

I actually care quite a bit. I also care what Goblinworks allows in Pathfinder Online.

* Edit: I couldn't care less......

Forums are a distraction, until the game is released. I rarely visit post launch game forums. Some of you might think these forums have turned toxic, wait until OE launch.

Goons will be the least of your worries, Trolls will be a far more annoying person to deal with.

Goblin Squad Member

Goons are a bit over hyped...

The only reason they took the stance of "we are going to ruin your game" is because of the T20 incident.

If you dont know what that was about... A Dev named T20 gave Band of Brothers at least one T2 Blueprint(s), which were only given out by chance from research agents in a limited quantity.

The blueprint(s) in question were not taken back, and T20 got to keep his job. At the time Goons and BoB were at war and the Goons went with the idea that CCP was supporting Bob. At the very least CCP let BoB have a distinct advantage.

Edit: Just looked it up, it was 6 T2 Blueprints, and the guy that revealed it to the players had all his accounts perma banned for revealing T20's real name.

Goblin Squad Member

Goons were actually good for the game. That was not the only Dev scandal involving BOB. In all I believe 4 Devs were fired for assisting BoB in a variety of ways. It is why Devs and customers should never mix in game playing with each other.

Goons are not over hyped, they have a bad reputation because they played the game better than others.

Unfortunately some if the Goins have taken their actions into meta game a$$hattery.

Goblin Squad Member

"Goons were actually good for the game. That was not the only Dev scandal involving BOB. In all I believe 4 Devs were fired for assisting BoB in a variety of ways. It is why Devs and customers should never mix in game playing with each other."

They were caught: It's the age old: "It's OK - Just don't get *bleep* caught!"

I have absolutely no problem with the devs as "gods". If I was a dev that's exactly how I'd RP. It would be indirect divine intervention! Even in the Greek myths the heroes are sometimes tested by what the gods throw at them. I'd only be disgruntled if it was purely for money.

After all the devs will intervene when it comes to the economy. I hope they also intervene in months long escalations and havock according to a particular Pathfinder deity. There needs to be that X-Factor of brokering deals with the deities etc. Imo it's a key strand as is Alignment for minor eg.

Goblin Squad Member

I think they should craft magnificent gods to become when they have to get down and radical. Do it with STYLE!

Goblin Squad Member

If its a game "design" to have gods do this or that as part of story, then fine... but if devs interfere and give some people advantages over others just because they can... Then it will be my turn to say "Its a deal breaker for me."

and you say...

The only reason i stuck around with Eve is because BoB fell apart in the end. What was given to them was taken away by other players that thought it was wrong. They lost their ill gotten gains multiple times over... They absolutely deserved to have their alliance disbanded and their territory trounced.

Goblin Squad Member

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The developer should be expected to step in when it is for the good of their game. To think otherwise is unrealistic, even absurd.

Goblin Squad Member

Bluddwolf wrote:

Goons are not over hyped, they have a bad reputation because they played the game better than others.

The Goons are MMO terrorists. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Goblin Squad Member

Being wrote:
The developer should be expected to step in when it is for the good of their game. To think otherwise is unrealistic, even absurd.

Didnt say otherwise.

Goblin Squad Member

Hardin Steele wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:

Goons are not over hyped, they have a bad reputation because they played the game better than others.

The Goons are MMO terrorists. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Please elaborate

Goblinworks Executive Founder

Xeen wrote:
Hardin Steele wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:

Goons are not over hyped, they have a bad reputation because they played the game better than others.

The Goons are MMO terrorists. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Please elaborate

Burn Jita.

Goblin Squad Member

DeciusBrutus wrote:
Burn Jita.

One quick Google and you'll learn all you like.

Goblin Squad Member

Player Event... Well publicized prior to the event... That is what you call player made content.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

And paying off a player in the opposing alliance to disband the alliance at a specific time? It that player-generated content?

Goblin Squad Member

Actually if I remember the story correctly, the guy wasnt payed off, he was disgruntled... That was what I read from his own post.

Besides you need to be able to trust the people that are in those types of positions. If you cannot, then you have a problem... Oh and read my above post.

Goblin Squad Member

Fortunately, Goblinworks doesn't consider that kind of play "meaningful", so we shouldn't really have to worry about it.

Goblin Squad Member

No, it will not be a worry in PFO

Goblin Squad Member

Burn Jita or Hulkageddon is player made content. I have never lost a ship during Burn Jita, because there is more than enough notice of when it will begin and end. The only pilots who lose ships during that time period, want to take part in the event.

As for alliance leaders betraying their own alliance, that too is meaningful player content. I myself have had to deal with an alliance leader who did just such a thing. He had hired a mercenary group to war dec our alliance, and then tipped them off as to where, when and with what we would be forming up to meet them in battle. This plot was meant to get the alliance council to kick the military wing out of the alliance. He argued we could not protect the alliance, but the plot did not work.

Then he ordered the mining corp to over harvest a .5 system, in order to spark another war. At the same time he sent the military wing into 0.0 to protect our ops there. My Brother-in-Law was put in charge of their Research Division, and he informed me of the alliance leaders political maneuvering. I was, at the time a Squadron Leader ( FC), but I refused to go to 0.0, sensing a trap.

I left the alliance and the corp and head back to Minmatar space to found my own corp. soon after the alliance leader tried to hire me to war dec the Research Div. He was unaware that my Brother in Law was the head of that division. My BiL split with over 10 billion in T2 and T1 BPOs and ISK from the corp bank. I sold the PMs if the alliance leader to the corp for 200 million isk. The alliance leader left the game for a out 6 months. He tried to come back on two occasions, and found his new corps were war decd immediately. He has not been seen since, over 4 years now.

How could any think, that is not meaningful player content?

Goblin Squad Member

Bluddwolf wrote:
The only pilots who lose ships during that time period, want to take part in the event.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. There are plenty of people out there who play EvE but pay no attention at all to the whitterings of the Mitanni and his Goon cronies. You may think that that is their own fault, but it is how they choose to play the game. They have as much right to make that choice as everyone else. Ignorance is not acquiescence.

Goblin Squad Member

Lhan wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:
The only pilots who lose ships during that time period, want to take part in the event.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. There are plenty of people out there who play EvE but pay no attention at all to the whitterings of the Mitanni and his Goon cronies. You may think that that is their own fault, but it is how they choose to play the game. They have as much right to make that choice as everyone else. Ignorance is not acquiescence.

Yes, you are correct. People have the right to enter a burning building. They have the right to complain that they got burnt. But, their complaint should not be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, it is outright ignored by CCP and most players.

Same thing when flying a Hulk during Hulkageddon. Guess what? Don't fly a Hulk during Hulkageddon, or any Mining Barge, unless you want to risk losing it.

Goblin Squad Member

Sorry Bluddwolf, your analogy doesn't hold up. Of course you wouldn't walk into a burning building; you wouldn't walk into a minefield either *if you knew it was there*. If someone signs up to play Eve, how does this obligate them to read the vacuous ramblings of the Something Awful crew. I am not saying that these people who lost stuff shouldn't have lost it - but to claim that they were all willing participants is wrong, plain and simple, and no amount of (self-) justification can change that.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

Bluddwolf wrote:
Lhan wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:
The only pilots who lose ships during that time period, want to take part in the event.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. There are plenty of people out there who play EvE but pay no attention at all to the whitterings of the Mitanni and his Goon cronies. You may think that that is their own fault, but it is how they choose to play the game. They have as much right to make that choice as everyone else. Ignorance is not acquiescence.

Yes, you are correct. People have the right to enter a burning building. They have the right to complain that they got burnt. But, their complaint should not be taken seriously. As a matter of fact, it is outright ignored by CCP and most players.

Same thing when flying a Hulk during Hulkageddon. Guess what? Don't fly a Hulk during Hulkageddon, or any Mining Barge, unless you want to risk losing it.

So if someone publishes a "let's destroy this group utterly" suggestion, and lots of other people sign on to it, it's player-generated content, right?

Because that perfectly describes the much-maligned Treaty of Rovagug, even in the least charitable description.

Goblin Squad Member

DeciusBrutus wrote:

So if someone publishes a "let's destroy this group utterly" suggestion, and lots of other people sign on to it, it's player-generated content, right?

Because that perfectly describes the much-maligned Treaty of Rovagug, even in the least charitable description.

Yes, and Yes...

You may be misunderstanding my objection to the Treaty of Rovagug. It is not that it is saying "We agree to kill this group". It is that it implies that it is a document of higher moral purpose "for the good of the entire server community".

It provides for the signatories to be RPKers, as long as they direct their attacks at play styles or alignments that they feel are a threat.

I fully support your right to provide PVP content with and against any group that you wish. I just don't concede that you hold the moral high ground while doing it, because your alignment is Good or Lawful.

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