PFS: Books are HEAVY change to GM expectations


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Grand Lodge 2/5

That's true, DSXMachina. However, I'm always hesitant to recommend that approach. One of the main strengths of PFS is the fact that if a player moves, leaves, etc., the game goes on, or the player plays somewhere else. The game is much more portable than a normal campaign.

If 5 players are dependent on one friend for their books, and that friend isn't available.... Well, let's just say you can have a lot of invalid characters real fast.

In the case of a husband/wife team or really close friends, this is rarely an issue, so, I have no problem encouraging them on this. But I do hesitate with larger groups depending entirely on one or two other peeps.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

DigitalMage wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:

It is. You still need the appropriate resources for GM reference and for proof of play.

THe PFRPG RD pulls the PRD directly from Paizo's website and doesn't modify anything.

So yeah, if allowing the PRD to be legal for PFS I imagine Paizo would also need to make this offline app legal (which I can see them not willing to do).

Out of interest, as it works offline, at what point does it pull the data directly from the PRD - is it part of the development process (i.e. will there be a lag between the PRD being updated and a new release coming out)? Or does it update when an internet connection is available?

I don't know if the guy who wrote the ap has to copy and paste new stuff into his ap and then re-upload the documents, or if there is a direct connection if there is wi-fi, or what.

But I do know that it is current and up to date (it may not be current and up to date to the week when changes are made, I'm sure it takes him time if he has to copy and paste information).

But all the data is on your tablet or phone, which is why it works offline.

But also keep in mind. Just because I bring a hardbound book to a game day, does not mean I've been paying attention to errata. And my hardbound CRB might be from the 1st printing, which means there have been 6 errata corrections to it.

Nothing is going to be perfect except for the most up to date electronic PDF.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West

The PFRPG RD is a wonderful resource; We have a copy on our Android tablet, and have recently purchased another copy for use on a Kindle.

But I would hesitate to claim it was up-to-date. There is a delay from when revisions or additions are made to the PRD until those changes are available as an update to the App. And even when that is done, there is nothing that requires me to update the App; I could still be using the data that was current when I first downloaded the App (as soon as it was released).

Liberty's Edge 5/5

John Francis wrote:


The PFRPG RD is a wonderful resource; We have a copy on our Android tablet, and have recently purchased another copy for use on a Kindle.

But I would hesitate to claim it was up-to-date. There is a delay from when revisions or additions are made to the PRD until those changes are available as an update to the App. And even when that is done, there is nothing that requires me to update the App; I could still be using the data that was current when I first downloaded the App (as soon as it was released).

You don't have to manually update the ap (until the last 3 hard covers) that is.

It used to update itself whenever you were in a wi-fi area.

You gotta do some special working around to get the last 3 books.

4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Massachusetts—Boston

Wererat6 wrote:

...The problem I have with your idea is this.

You still have to have the rules for your PC. If you're using emergency force sphere out of Cheliax at my table, I don't always have that PDF on hand*. (If I'm GMing with my Kindle for example) If you want to use it, I want to see it. I don't want to see a list of it on it, I don't want to see a signed note from Mike Brock that you own the resource**, I want to see the source, so I can see the spell.

So if you own the book, and don't bring it, it must be in the "Big book of stuff that doesn't work at my table."

I don't argue about needing a copy of the rules, but some proof of purchase and a photocopy/scan of the page (probably a scan so I would have it available when I play online) would cover "do you own it?" and "what does the book say?" There's another thread where a similar suggestion is being discussed… basically a Inventory Tracking form signed by a GM/VO (up for discussion) for the proof of ownership and a copy of the page for the rule(s) you want to use.

The link to that discussion is Brainstorming Alternatives to Books.

Edit: fixed quoting levels

5/5

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Shifty wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:


Don't they do something like this already? I thought subscribers get free .pdfs of the books they get through their subscription.

Mark

Not such a good deal for us Australians.

On the copyright side (since you guys seem to keep bringing it up), it's been ruled that in Australia, format shifting (which includes scanning a physical book), is legal.

That being said, when I GM, my stance is that as long as a) you assure me that you own the resources (I'm seeking an assurance, not a proof), and b) you have the actual printed text with you (either photocopy, physical book, printed PDF, accessible electronic version), I'm fine with it.

If your players have bought the book, and brings the appropriate pages with them, there shouldn't be a problem.

The hard stance of "Either suffer a hernia from carrying a large number of heavy books, or buy PDF versions of all the books you already own" has the effect of lumping your customers who are willing to buy books in with the people who are not willing to pay money and would rather use a pirated PDF.

Should you step up enforcement on this, it's just a short step to people starting to watermark their own PDFs (a three line shell script can accomplish this), damaging the overall integrity of the whole watermarking system.

4/5 5/55/55/55/5

Mekkis wrote:

(a three line shell script can accomplish this),

My IT haxxor skillz are lacking - I can't work out if the above has something to do with ninja turtles or a confidence game involving guessing which shell a pea is hidden under :P

On a serious note, cool, noted on the above about the formats and thanks for the clarification - did not know that :)

Scarab Sages

Mekkis wrote:

(a three line shell script can accomplish this),

Shifty wrote:
My IT haxxor skillz are lacking - I can't work out if the above has something to do with ninja turtles.

If it did, it would be best to ask Don.

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