# [5.0 clarification] Out-of-tier gold in Tier 1-7 scenarios

### Pathfinder Society

According to Page 32 of the Guide 5.0, when adapting Season 0-4 scenarios to the new rules, "The Out-of-Subtier gold value is the average of the high and low subtiers." In scenarios that are tiered 1-2, 4-5, 6-7, this would (by its very literal meaning) imply that anyone playing out of tier, regardless of actual level, get the average of gold from 1-2 and 6-7. I assume this is not the intent, in which case this needs to be clarified, because as written, it's what we're supposed to do.

In case anyone is disputing the concern, here is math based on the Bloodcove Disguise:
Tier 1-2 = 506, Tier 3-4 = 1262, Tier 6-7 = 3234. Average of high & low tier is 1870, which is more than the tier 3-4 gold: A level 2 who plays up to 3-4 makes more than the people playing in tier. Meanwhile, a level 5 who should be getting 2248 (average of 3-4 & 6-7) regardless of tier is losing 378. So clarification is required, because someone out there is going to insist on doing it as written.

Side note: Please don't accuse me of lacking common sense. I know what we're supposed to be doing. But since that stands in direct opposition to what the Guide actually says, it will save a lot of people a lot of trouble if leadership can just post a one-sentence clarification.

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You average the GP value of the two tiers immediately above and below where you are playing. So if you are OoS with Tiers 1-2 and 3-4, you take the average of both of those tiers. If you are OoS with tiers 3-4 and 6-7, you take the average of both of those tiers. You do not average 1-2 and 6-7 together since a level 1 or 2 can't play in a tier 6-7 and a level 6-7 can't play in a tier 1-2.

Michael Brock wrote:
You average the GP value of the two tiers immediately above and below where you are playing. So if you are OoS with Tiers 1-2 and 3-4, you take the average of both of those tiers. If you are OoS with tiers 3-4 and 6-7, you take the average of both of those tiers. You do not average 1-2 and 6-7 together since a level 1 or 2 can't play in a tier 6-7 and a level 6-7 can't play in a tier 1-2.

Awesome, thank you!

How does this work if a level 5 plays in a subtier 1-2 (with a bunch of level 1's) ?

Is it still just a matter of averaging 1-2 and 3-4?

 ⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

The level 5 would not be able to play when the tier are below that, I believe. Think of the three tiers as a floating cut off. Playing a character as the group plays one tier, they need to be from that tier or the one tier away. 5th level happens to be in the between tier of 3-4 and 6-7.

I am glad we no longer have these three tier scenarios being made.

Level 5 can't play in subtier 1-2 of a 1-7? I've heard of 6-7 not being able to, but not 5. I would've thought that's akin to a 1-5.

Is there a source that says that anywhere?

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Avatar-1 wrote:

Level 5 can't play in subtier 1-2 of a 1-7? I've heard of 6-7 not being able to, but not 5. I would've thought that's akin to a 1-5.

Is there a source that says that anywhere?

The PFS guide

PFS guide pg 31 wrote:
Some scenarios or special events offer more than two subtiers. In these cases, no PC can play at a subtier more than 1 step away from her character level.

1 step away from level 5 in a 1-7 is 3-4 and 6-7.

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Here's another example, which only applies to a tier 1-7 scenario.

Four characters, levels 2, 3, 4, and 5. Clearly they play sub-tier 3-4.

The level 2 is not in the 3-4 sub-tier, so his gold is the average of the 1-2 and 3-4 rewards.

The level 3 and 4 characters are in sub-tier, they get the 3-4 gold.

The level 5 is also out of sub-tier, but his gold is the average of the 3-4 and 6-7 rewards.

 ⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

Yeah, that has to be looked at carefully when in the middle teir.

But EVERYONE can play in the 3-4 subtier, because no one can be more than one step away.

 ⦵ Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

Correct, so you give the gold according to the level of the character. Higher is the top tiers average, lower is the lower tiers average. (In tier is normal gold, of course)

As I posted before, I am glad they stop making the three tiered scenarios.