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Vulture Domain
Agent of Rebirth (Sp): At 8th level, you may expend a quantity of special oils worth 1,000gp to cast reincarnate as a spell-like ability usable once per day. Additionally, when using this ability or casting reincarnate as a prepared spell, you have some influence over the physical form that the reincarnated spirit will take. When rolling against the spell's incarnation table, you may roll twice and choose between the two results.
(Pg. 25, Faiths & Philosophies)
Faiths & Philosophies (Additional Resources)
Domains: all domains on pages 24–25 are legal for play
I for one welcome our new reincarnate casting overlords :D
Hey, you roll twice. You might not come back as a kobold... I mean, unless you really want to.
What do vultures have to do with reincarnation anyway... The last vulture I met tried to eat a party member don'tcha' know.
MrSin: Im guessing its got something to do with the Vulture being symbolised as a bird/animal associated with the moments before death/transition. Reincarnate being a transition of sorts.
Was a joke, lots of animals representing reincarnation or continuum, or something similar have tried to eat me in rpgs. Though personally I've never thought of the vulture as one.
I died
But then I got reincarnated
Now I am male troglodyte cleric of Desna
Instead of being a female elf cleric of Desna
Could be worse
I could have been reincarnated as a female Gnoll cleric of Desna
According to the Vulture
I died
But then I got reincarnated
Now I am male troglodyte cleric of Desna
Instead of being a female elf cleric of Desna
Could be worse
I could have been reincarnated as a female Gnoll cleric of Desna
According to the Vulture
Ew! Troglodyte? I'd rather take the body hair over the B.O.
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This is interesting. I am excited to see what the ruling on this is. How many fighter types would not love to come back as a bugbear?Of course then you would never be allowed in a bar in a civilized community. Your kind's not welcome here, boy!
Thats what disguise is for.
My friend is an asaamir paladin without darkvision that can alter self. He choose a bugbear for the extra strength darkvision and scent. It is hilarious to hear him say "Sarenrae give me the strength of a bugbear!"
Ew! Troglodyte? I'd rather take the body hair over the B.O.
(Aaah) Grippli look at that body
(Aaah) Grippli look at that body(Aaah) Grippli look at that body
I retrain
I would be curious on the ruling on this so I am going to FAQ this. After all since there is a restriction on race choice on how some are just simply legal and others need paperwork to be legal and the rest are just illegal to play.
I dunno, you think on release of the product they would put something along the lines of:
all domains on pages 24–25 are legal for play except Vulture Domain
A reformed NYSNC, intriguing but strange simultaneously.
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No need to make it illegal, because the spell already is.
But seriously, it's an oversight. And now that it's been pointed out, it will probably be fixed in the next update. Fixed could mean gone, or it could mean changed. It won't, however, mean you get to be a Troglodyte Cleric of Desna. You should have known better. :/
I should know better v_v, though I usually am very hopeful ^_^.
After all even though its not likely it will be legal, its best to be hopeful that it could be. Otherwise it would have gone pretty much unnoticed if nobody mined the information about this.
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Reincarnate has been on the banned list since season 0 IIRC, so the chances of it being unbanned to allow a domain ability to function are close to zero. As it stands, the Vulture domain gives nothing at 8th level in PFS.
If reincarnate were to be unbanned, it would probably be via a rare con boon (similar to the goblin or grippli).
As an FYI, in the next update to Additional Resources, the Vulture domain in Faiths & Philosophies will be changed from Agent of Rebirth to the following:
At 8th level, the druid can cast an extended air walk spell as a spell-like ability once per day.
Resolved. :)
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As an FYI, in the next update to Additional Resources, the Vulture domain in Faiths & Philosophies will be changed from Agent of Rebirth to the following:
At 8th level, the druid can cast an extended air walk spell as a spell-like ability once per day.
The additional resources are scheduled to be updated at the end of September. Please don't use the reincarnate feature between now and then. It will mean you end up wasting the GP to cast the spell, and then will have to spend PP or gold to Raise Dead.
Wow, Mike Brock ninja'd himself. Not even Chuck Norris can do that!
To be fair, the post were 20 minutes apart.
I think Chuck Norris could totally ninja himself. The question is can he outninja himself?
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Or an even better idea! We let it stand as is. However, if the random dice roll turns the reincarnated character into a race that is not allowed in PFS, that character is removed from play and the 1000 GP for casting it is also lost. :-)
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mike brock I am sensing some hostility
You know its morning and I was about to offer some coffee, but after a triple post I decided on decaf instead... then I realized I lack an instantaneous delivery program for fresh coffee.
We could also keep it as is and let people decapitate themselves in hopes of coming back as a kobold for hilarities sake. I get the feeling that won't fly though. Hilariously the new domain power does...
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Or an even better idea! We let it stand as is. However, if the random dice roll turns the reincarnated character into a race that is not allowed in PFS, that character is removed from play and the 1000 GP for casting it is also lost.
Assuming the GM picking a banned race would break the 'Dont be a jerk' rule, I think the 15% chance on that is definitely worth the risk. ;)
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mike brock I am sensing some hostility
Nah. You are reading tone into my statements that simply aren't there. I was trying to joke around but I guess it didnt come through well. If there was hostility, I would have cursed. I guess you missed my smiley face at the end of the last post I edited in.
So, I will just return to my normal message board, no humor self.
As an FYI, in the next update to Additional Resources, the Vulture domain in Faiths & Philosophies will be changed from Agent of Rebirth to the following:
At 8th level, the druid can cast an extended air walk spell as a spell-like ability once per day.
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mike brock I am sensing some hostilityNah. You are reading tone into my statements that simply aren't there. I was trying to joke around but I guess it didnt come through well. If there was hostility, I would have cursed. I guess you missed my smiley face at the end of the last post I edited in.
it is okay, mike brock
I was going for humor as well and think you do a pretty darn good jobwe can totally hug it out
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mike brock I am sensing some hostilityNah. You are reading tone into my statements that simply aren't there. I was trying to joke around but I guess it didnt come through well. If there was hostility, I would have cursed. I guess you missed my smiley face at the end of the last post I edited in.it is okay, mike brock
I was going for humor as well and think you do a pretty darn good job
we can totally hug it out
Sorry, I don't hug.
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I appreciate your humor Mike. Ban them kobolds and that gold used to make 'em!
That would be fairly comical to examine in character well.
Pathfinder Tom: "Hey fellas, what happened to Pathfinder Tony? Haven't seen that bloke around in a while."
Pathfinder Jim: "That feller had 'imself a bit of a rough spot workin a job for the decemvirate. Feller died, an didn't ave the gold or favors to get imself raised, so his druid buddy just went an reincarnated im! Came back as a kobold he did, an the Decemvirate kicked him right out of the society they did!"
Pathfinder Tom: "Wow, tough break. . .oh no! I could have sworn I saw a kobold wearing his hate in sewer dragons of Absalom! No wonder it said to me "No, Tom, please wait it's me aaack gurgle!"
Pathfinder Jim: "Ya killed Tony! Ya 'bastad!"
Pathfinder Jim: "Ya killed Tony! Ya 'bastad!"
So... Is Jim some sort o' cockney for Kyle?
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I don't specifically know what John and Mike were thinking when replacing this particular ability with Air Walk.
But my thought process (which I'm sure isn't too far off form theirs) is to first determine roughly the level of the ability.
1) Determine what is the average power level of a typical 8th level domain ability.
2) Determine what this particular domain ability's power level is.
3) Find something to replace it that still fits the overall theme of the domain.
I think the original ability was going for the overall Native American/South American mysticism that surrounds a Vulture with reincarnate. I don't think that air walk specifically replaces that thematic element very well, however, it does replace the theme of it being a bird.
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I'm kind of curious, when a situation like this happens how does PFS dev team determine what spell is appropriate to replace an ability? Is it tied to the theme of the class at all? Or is it just something cool that you guys want to see but hasn't made it into an archetype yet? :)
Typically it is the former, as we're aiming to maintain the thematic integrity of the class or feature while also providing a replacement ability that has usefulness.
In the case of the latter, we have enough opportunities to write at Paizo that it's not unreasonably difficult to include a cool new archetype into an upcoming product. Sometimes it takes a little while before the right product comes along that would be a good fit for the archetype/feat/rule, but that's little reason for us to undercut the creative work of another author.