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So, a rogue can use ninja tricks and a ninja can use rogue talents.
A ninja can use advanced talents.

The question is, can a rogue use Master Tricks?


No.

But ninja is a special archetype for rogue, so you could ask your GM nicely to allow it.

Silver Crusade

Ninja is a separate class, not an archetype.


No its explicitly an archetype. Just a complicated one.

Silver Crusade

Mojorat wrote:
No its explicitly an archetype. Just a complicated one.

Incorrect, I'm afraid.

Ninja is an alternate class.
Rogue is a core class.
And there are also base classes.

Archetypes are defined as:

Paizo OGC d20pfsrd.com wrote:
Archetypes are a quick and easy way to specialize characters of a given class, adding fun and flavorful new abilities to already established adventurers

If you haven't checked the links yet, an important point about alternate classes is this:

Alternate Classes wrote:
a character who takes a level in an alternate class can never take a level in its associated class

I realize where your argument is coming from, but archetype is a keyword with a very specific definition in the Pathfinder system.


Not to derail the thread. But all an alternate class is, is an archetype that's complicated enough to need its own chart.

Really to answer the op. To get access to advanced rogue tricks or master ninja tricks you need the class feature or something that let's you bypass that restriction.


Well, since Ninja gets Advanced Talents master trick, I don't see why it can't be backwards incompatiable. I mean, Assassinate is such a juicy ability that makes an entire PrC moot by its mere existence.


Actually ninja is an alternate class for rogue. The question comes from seeing that in the respective talent/trick list there is at least one that allows the PC to take the talent/trick from the other class.

Now looking at the advanced/master talent/trick, ninjas are expressly stated being able to take advanced talents from the rogues but the rogue does not have the same for the ninja's master trick.

I guess its logical to ask the GM and it being likely and not unreasonable to have the rogue take master tricks but I was hoping to have something official to save time.

Silver Crusade

Officially, there is not an ability that allows it, so No, the Rogue cannot. Just like there is not an ability that allows the Cavalier to take Ninja Tricks, nor the Samurai. If your table chooses to play it differently then that's up to them.


Ninjas are a rouge fighter hybrid in my opinion

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