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Finally, unbiased reporting to complement Fox News!
The fact that someone would compare Al Jazeera to Fox News says a lot about political discourse in this nation today.
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Al Jazeera has already been caught presenting fake news propaganda as real news.
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Well, I suppose since NBC was caught faking gas tank explosions, CBS was caught faking National Guard documents, CNN was caught making deals with Saddam Hussain to air positive stories about Iraq, we can excuse Al Jazeera faking a few Morsi supporter "deaths". After all, it's just an experiment and the whole thing is interesting, isn't it?
The real lesson is to not trust anything you see in the "news". Once you learn what agendas each "news organization" is promoting, you can learn to see past the propaganda to the actual news beneath.
But that means you have to actually pay attention to the real world and think critically about what is presented as "news". Skills that seem to have evaporated off the face of the earth recently.
MSNBC is unbiased.
My favorite al-Jazeera denunciations as a Muslim Brotherhood propaganda channel have come from Abdel Latif el-Menawy...former head of the state-run news organizations under Mubarak.
When I was young, competing newspapers admitted up front that they looked at the news from a 'left' or 'right' perspective. Sadly, many news outlets are not transparent about their bias.
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When I was young, competing newspapers admitted up front that they looked at the news from a 'left' or 'right' perspective. Sadly, many news outlets are not transparent about their bias.
Not only that, both sides did a better job with being "fair" even within their bias.
Al Jazeera has already been caught presenting fake news propaganda as real news.
This is different then FOX news in what way?
Al Jazeera has already been caught presenting fake news propaganda as real news.More details, please?
I think this is probably the latest.
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"Dwayne Dibbley" is Comrade Spanky's idiot avatar, Citizen Danubus.
So, to answer your question, "no."
MSNBC is unbiased.
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Al Jazeera has already been caught presenting fake news propaganda as real news.This is different then FOX news in what way?
The fact that you would ask that question demonstrates that you are almost certainly incapable of accepting the true answer to it Lord.
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I think this is probably the latest.Al Jazeera has already been caught presenting fake news propaganda as real news.More details, please?
Yes, "latest" indeed. The number of staged and outright fake "news" reports from Al Jazeera over the years is staggering. Including fake Palestinian casualties to fake Israeli attacks, photos obviously (and poorly) edited with Photoshop to add, delete or modify elements, and endless "interviews" with "victims" who have been proven to have never been the victim of anything.
Al Jazeera is a front for the jihadist ambitions of the worst elements of extremists.
Which, to many people, makes them pretty much the same as Fox News, which shows just how ridiculously partisan our culture has become, how difficult it is for some people to separate true evil from merely disagreeing with their point of view, and how irrational people are about anything related to their preferred ideological goals.
When I was young, competing newspapers admitted up front that they looked at the news from a 'left' or 'right' perspective. Sadly, many news outlets are not transparent about their bias.Not only that, both sides did a better job with being "fair" even within their bias.
Al Jazeera has already been caught presenting fake news propaganda as real news.This is different then FOX news in what way?
Exactly. Some people have a knee-jerk reaction when they hear al-jazeera is an Arabic news channel, but they are really no different than our news channels.
The leaders of many Arab countries hostile to the United States have accused them of pro-US propaganda and censored them inside their borders.
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I should have long since learned that attempting to shed light on any subject that is part of someone's cherished ideological self-image is a waste of time, but I'll make one final comment in this thread and then let the partisan idiocy reign supreme.
All "news" organizations have a bias. Some are more obvious than others, and all are more obvious to those who have a conflicting ideology that is skewered by the biases. Thus lefties think Fox News is a right-wing propaganda machine and righties think MSNBC is a left-wing propaganda machine.
Both are right, but only within the parameters of a generally accepted level of journalistic integrity, which both organizations attempt to follow. That's why you don't see a lot of photoshopped pictures on either FOX or MSNBC, even in spite of their clear biases.
Al Jazeera is different. Al Jazeera is not merely a "news" organization with an ideological bias that drives some edge case editorial decisions. Al Jazeera is an organization that has as it's primary purpose the misrepresentation of reality in such a way as to advance a political movement. In that pursuit they will manufacture entirely fake "news" and represent it as actual news.
Anyone who cannot see the difference between Al Jazeera and FOX or MSNBC is someone either so ignorant as to be dangerous in a democratic society, or else someone so blinded by their ideology that they can no longer recognize the difference between ideological disagreement and actual outright evil.
Sadly, that accounts for a large, large fraction of the modern Western culture.
OK, carry on with your silliness. I'm done here.
Hee hee!
That's pretty funny.
EDIT: Awww, you went and changed it.
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Hee hee!
That's pretty funny.
EDIT: Awww, you went and changed it.
I just decided to make a general point and be done with the whole thing Comrade.
Well, the "OK, carry on with your silliness. I'm done here." part was still pretty good.
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Well, the "OK, carry on with your silliness. I'm done here." part was still pretty good.
I thought "let the partisan idiocy reign supreme" was close...
Anyone who cannot see the difference between Al Jazeera and FOX or MSNBC is someone either so ignorant as to be dangerous in a democratic society, or else someone so blinded by their ideology that they can no longer recognize the difference between ideological disagreement and actual outright evil.
Sadly, that accounts for a large, large fraction of the modern Western culture.
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is by no means the only interpretation.
What is actually dangerous to democracy is confusing opinions with facts. This is an opinion too, however.
So, it was fun typing in variations of "al-Jazeera lies/fake news/manufactures news/fake Israeli attacks" etc., etc.
Turns out:
Al-Jazeera has been lying its ass off about Syria, according to Russia Today.
Al-Jazeera faked Tripoli's Green Square jubilations, according to Infowars.
Couldn't find anything about al-Jazeera specifically staging fake Palestinian deaths, but found a whole essay on "Pallywood" on something called The American Thinker, with video provided by something called Honest Reporting: Defending Israel from Media Bias. The offending newsservice, however, was the BBC.
The Washington Times (front for the Moonies) comes up quite often in "al-Jazeera lies" google searches, too. Hmm. Washington Times, The Blaze, Russia Today (which I like), Infowars, seems like a pretty balanced bunch of unbiased journalists to me!
Also, it seems there's a big divide, internationally, between those who think al-Jazeera is anti-Semitic and those who think it is a front for Zionism; those who think it is anti-American, and those who think it is a stooge of the American imperialists, etc., etc.
Fun stuff.
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*walks in*
*walks right back out*
no longer recognize the difference between ideological disagreement and actual outright evil.
Sadly, that accounts for a large, large fraction of the modern Western culture.
You don't think Fox News and MSNBC are contributing to the this problem?
You don't think Fox News and MSNBC are contributing to the this problem?no longer recognize the difference between ideological disagreement and actual outright evil.
Sadly, that accounts for a large, large fraction of the modern Western culture.
I will answer this one direct question because I think it is the key to the whole issue with the current partisan polarization in the USA and the broader Western culture as a whole.
The main contributing factor to "this problem" is the rank opportunism of political leadership which benefits from dividing the public into "pro" and "con" factions to drive turnout to the polls. This is done almost purely in the pursuit of raw political power, although every politician claims to have the "best interests of the people" in mind.
Since most "news organizations" have some ideological bias, they take their lead from the political leadership they adhere to in an effort to exploit political divisions.
Since the vast majority of people in our world today have never been taught, nor developed on their own, fundamental critical thinking skills, they tend to react to the exhortations of their flavor of politician and "news" provider with the appropriate outrage and indignation that is supposed to get their vote applied where it is needed.
This happens on all sides of every issue. You can see it happen here on these boards when ideological issues arise. It takes roughly ten posts maximum before the "you're wit' us, or agin' us" posts take over the issue.
What just blows my mind is how thoroughly exploited people are and how totally unaware they are of the fact that they are being exploited in this fashion.
The mass marketing of political ideology has been done very well.
However, having said that, there is still a major difference in the motivations, goals and practices of most Western media "news organizations" and Al Jazeera, which has virtually none of the cultural or professional rigor in place to at least PRETEND to be presenting reality.
So basically Yes they are part of a much larger problem.
So basically Yes they are part of a much larger problem.
Not the way you are suggesting. What you see as "part of a much larger problem" I see more as "a symptom of a much larger cultural movement."
You don't think Fox News and MSNBC are contributing to the this problem?no longer recognize the difference between ideological disagreement and actual outright evil.
Sadly, that accounts for a large, large fraction of the modern Western culture.
I will answer this one direct question because I think it is the key to the whole issue with the current partisan polarization in the USA and the broader Western culture as a whole.
The main contributing factor to "this problem" is the rank opportunism of political leadership which benefits from dividing the public into "pro" and "con" factions to drive turnout to the polls. This is done almost purely in the pursuit of raw political power, although every politician claims to have the "best interests of the people" in mind.
Since most "news organizations" have some ideological bias, they take their lead from the political leadership they adhere to in an effort to exploit political divisions.
Since the vast majority of people in our world today have never been taught, nor developed on their own, fundamental critical thinking skills, they tend to react to the exhortations of their flavor of politician and "news" provider with the appropriate outrage and indignation that is supposed to get their vote applied where it is needed.
This happens on all sides of every issue. You can see it happen here on these boards when ideological issues arise. It takes roughly ten posts maximum before the "you're wit' us, or agin' us" posts take over the issue.
What just blows my mind is how thoroughly exploited people are and how totally unaware they are of the fact that they are being exploited in this fashion.
The mass marketing of political ideology has been done very well.
However, having said that, there is still a major difference in the motivations, goals and practices of most Western media "news organizations" and Al Jazeera, which has virtually none of the cultural or professional rigor...
You're laying all the blame at the politicians feet and very little at the media's. I think that's very incorrect. Politicians have certain taken advantage of the media, but the media is in it for themselves as well.
Fox News makes a lot of money. Its in their best interests to present politics as a horse race where the consequences are world shattering. It drives ratings up.
People don't care about the minutia of congressional proceedings, CSPAN ratings are proof of that. They want sound bites, they want to know that how they think is true and they were right all along. That is why Fox and MSNBC are successful.
Al Jazeera really isn't that different. They've take the same model and applied it to the muslim world. If you do pay close attention, they get slammed all the time as being this way on an issue, or that way on an issue. It's almost like they have zero competition, so they just made themselves Fox and MSNBC rolled into one. Why only take half the market when no one is competing for the other half?
One day they're pro-american, the next they're anti-american. They aren't some sort of evil boogie man though, they're a business looking to make lots of money. To assign them more sinister motives is to do the same thing you decry, not being able to tell the difference between ideology and actual evil... except you're saying that it's different this time, because you said it.
Iron, you and I will simply have to disagree. Whatever role the media has, the media is not trying to literally take over the lives of millions of people and drive their daily behaviors.
So while the media has some minor role in the overall cultural movement, the bottom line is still all about power and control. And that is the very definition of politics.
I thought we were talking about Al-Jazeera?
Anyway, if anyone wants to help out substantiating that AJ has faked staggering numbers of news items, please, feel free.
I mean, I've read all the "funded-by-the-Emir-of-Qatar" stuff, and I know that totally affected their reporting in Syria and Libya, but I really can't see how they're much different from the tame American news organizations in that respect.
And all the "Pallywood" articles I am running across are going after the Beeb and CNN, not AJ.
And even on The Blaze, where you'd think they'd have a nice rundown of all of AJ's lies, well, it's pretty thin going.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this Al-Jazeera Exposed piece by Glenn was pretty fun, but it doesn't really go into staging fake news.
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Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly aren't news anchors.
Please...next we will have the Official Chinese Gov't News Channel on Time Warner. Maybe we could have a new numbered section on DTV...the 1000's all propaganda channels. That way it could be easily avoided or blocked like the porn channels.
Iron, you and I will simply have to disagree. Whatever role the media has, the media is not trying to literally take over the lives of millions of people and drive their daily behaviors.
So while the media has some minor role in the overall cultural movement, the bottom line is still all about power and control. And that is the very definition of politics.
I like how you keep trying to separate the two.
What concerns me about the actual topic - all the comments about American media being an amusing (and, strangely, far more divisive) side issue
Well, it is relevant to a degree. Most of the things people accuse al-J of doing are things that our homegrown news media do even worse.
"Dwayne Dibbley" is Comrade Spanky's idiot avatar, Citizen Danubus.
So, to answer your question, "no."
I'm telling Rachel Maddow. You're in for a browbeating, buster.
I don't think she'd want to, but Rachel can beat my brow any day of the week.