Cheesy? Maybe...but....is it legal?


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Hmm I'd say it's legal, though I would try do ask your GM to modify the Prestige class a bit. Since this Dragon disciple is meant for hybrid casters.

You could make a martial Dragon Disciple with full BaB, no casting progression and could instead have him scale with some of your class features, like improving your Favored enemy.

Or if you want to be some dragonlike melee guys, why nt beg him to play a Half-Dragon?


Halfling Barbarian wrote:
Half elves can gain faerie fire (druid 1) with drow magic, replacing the two favored classes option and skill focus (oh darn). At that point you are welcome to use whatever martial class you like and still be a dragon disciple (and you have the flexability to put your +2 bonus into strength, which is great for a martial character).

DD needs an arcane spell so faerie fire doesn't work. The first list it's on in the SLA priority order is druid which is divine.


Atarlost wrote:
Halfling Barbarian wrote:
Half elves can gain faerie fire (druid 1) with drow magic, replacing the two favored classes option and skill focus (oh darn). At that point you are welcome to use whatever martial class you like and still be a dragon disciple (and you have the flexability to put your +2 bonus into strength, which is great for a martial character).
DD needs an arcane spell so faerie fire doesn't work. The first list it's on in the SLA priority order is druid which is divine.

Ah, good catch.


Barry Armstrong wrote:

If I want to make a solely martial Dragon Disciple, could I do it via the following (given the new FAQ for SLA qualifying for PrCs) and be legal for all the abilities?

Main question is, is the ability to cast Daylight once per day enough to qualify as "Spontaneously casting Arcane Spells" (since it's on the Bard spell list) to qualify for Dragon Disciple?

If it's argued that it's a "mostly divine" spell, this build would be able to use Scaled Disciple (Kobold) as a feat tax to get around that, right?

For clarity, here is the core concept:

Race: Aasimar

Class: Ranger (Natural Weapon Style, possibly Shapeshifter Archetype)

Race/Social Traits: Adopted, Tusked

Racial Traits: Scion of Humanity, Spell-Like Ability (Daylight 1/day)

Feats: Racial Heritage (Kobold), Tail Terror (Kobold), Aspect of the Beast (Claws), Angelic Blood (Aasimar), Angelic Flesh: Steel (Aasimar), Metallic Wings (Aasimar), Eldritch Claws, Improved Natural Weapon (Claws), Multiattack

I think that you get the idea. He'd be a Steel Dragon Disciple coming from the Ranger class, using claw/claw/bite/tail/wing/wing (classic dragon full-attack setup) with breath weapon special attack (just like your classic dragon).

His claws would be magic, cold iron, and silver for DR bypass. That covers enough bases to get by for now.

If it's RAW legal and/or DM approved, other than people's dislike of Natural Weapons, is there anything I missed or anything I can add in to make this a viable progression from at least 1-18 possibly 20 for an Adventure Path?

So let me get this straight. This is an Aasimar. Adopted by Half-Orcs (I'm assuming because of the Tusked trait, but I haven't been able to find a trait under that name though. There's Toothy, which is an alternate racial trait), who's a scion of humanity but also has a kobold heritage...?

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Toadkiller Dog wrote:
So let me get this straight. This is an Aasimar. Adopted by Half-Orcs (I'm assuming because of the Tusked trait, but I haven't been able to find a trait under that name though. There's Toothy, which is an alternate racial trait), who's a scion of humanity but also has a kobold heritage...?

That's what I'm reading. Grandfather on mom's side was a kobold, Grandmother on dad's side was an angel, and they all worked as slaves in an orcish/half-orc tribe? I think it could work.

Tusked is a race trait in Orcs of Golarion, if you still need to find it.


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Grandfather on mom's side was a kobold, Grandmother on dad's side was an angel, and they all worked as slaves in an orcish/half-orc tribe? I think it could work.

Well, I guess that depends on the group. In my group, he'd be laughed out of the table, because it clearly wasn't designed with that backstory in mind, but rather with min-maxing the number of natural attacks.

But I guess YMMV.


Clearly designed for natural attacks, yes. But who's to say a backstory crafted to fit the design is to be laughed at? If your group scoffs at such creative uses of story and mechanics, Toadkiller Dog, I wouldn't want to be at that table anyways.

At my table, I never laugh at player's designs. I might deny them, tweak them, interpret the rules differently and make them change or give them options, but NEVER laugh at them. That's judgemental and offensive, and quite frankly behavior unworthy of anyone at a gaming table.

Oh, and no one ever actually asked me what the backstory is. So, scoff at the design and laugh at your own assumptions if you will. But you're not my DM, nor will you ever be. Thanks for the complete lack of help, ideas, or anything useful. How about trolling elsewhere? It's not appreciated here.

For those honestly inquisitive, my gaining of tusks for the bite attack is mechanical in nature only. To properly fit the half-Aasimar/half-Kobold story, I was going to ask my DM about allowing Adopted and Tusked to work with Kobolds. So, his tale has nothing to do with Orcs or Half-Orcs whatsoever, despite the trait being from that sourcebook.

I can think of plenty of races that would use the same "Toothy" concept. To limit it to Orcs simply because it happens to have been printed in an Orc sourcebook is fairly closed-minded and defeats the purpose of imaginative character conception. And my DM is open-minded enough to allow things to apply, as long as there's story behind it. Which there is.

Is it really that far of a stretch to believe a mother from a race so prideful of being descendant from dragons like the Kobold would teach their half-breed offspring to be more like one, and help him sharpen his teeth and develop strong jaw muscles to gain a bite attack? I don't think so. They're a race of crafty opportunists. I think they'd not only latch onto the idea, but emulate it more often.

Especially if he showed strong tendencies towards the martial prowess and the desire to become a Dragon Disciple? I'm pretty sure that guy would be the pride of his parents, and probably the hero of his clutch, the closer to a "dragon" he got. This is how characters transcend into the PC world. (But, I allow that some might call it cheesy, which is why I said it right in the thread title as a disclaimer.)

And, to the one that suggested taking a level of Sorcerer or Bard because, when all else fails, the "classic" dragon always has a reportoire of spells, thank you for that. You're right. They do. So a level of caster to gain some spells is right up this guy's alley.

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