Cleric Archetype: Crusader (Official Ruling Requested)


Rules Questions


Legion’s Blessing (Su):

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At 8th level, a crusader gains the ability to confer beneficial spells quickly to a large group of allies. As a full-round action, the crusader may confer the effects of a single harmless spell with a range of touch to a number of creatures equal to half her cleric level. The spell’s range remains touch, so all intended recipients must be within the crusader’s reach when the spell is cast. Using the legion’s blessing expends the prepared spell, but it also requires the crusader to sacrifice another prepared spell three levels higher, as when spontaneously using a cure or inflict spell. The higher-level spell is not cast but is simply lost, its magical energy used to power the legion’s blessing.
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At first glance I thought this ability would give a cleric the ability to buff the party for a big fight,
but buff spells for a cleric are either already AoE (Bless) or range personal (Divine Favor)

The restriction of harmless and touch limits you to spells mostly cast on objects.
Then you add that it has to target creatures and you are left with spells like ant haul and endure elements.

Can I get some sort of Paizo sanctioned intent ruling that makes this archetype what it is supposed to be?

RAW Qualifying Spell List (currently 0 and 1)

0th level:


2nd level:

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3rd level:

*

4th level:

*

5th level:

*

6th level:

*

I will edit this post till I have all Paizo cleric spells up to level 6.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

IDK, protection from evil, shield of faith, aid, resist energy, bull's strength, and the like are pretty good buffs to use with legion's blessing.

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I don't think the OP is familiar with the long list of Cleric spells out there. The ability works just fine.


Charlie Bell wrote:
IDK, protection from evil, shield of faith, aid, resist energy, bull's strength, and the like are pretty good buffs to use with legion's blessing.

They are great buffs to use... at level 3 when you get them.

At 9th level you can legions blessing on a 2nd level spell most likely once (maybe twice depending on your wisdom) using your 5th level domain spell slot to power it.

Assume you choose one of the +4 stat bonus spells.
* +4 enhancement bonus spells do not stack with other stat enhancement items such as bulls strength.
* at level 9 your character will have about 46,000 gp in items, a +4 belt to one stat is 16,000.

Anyone who wanted +4 to that stat definately already has +2 maybe even +4 making the legions blessing extremely nerfed. Perhaps the 5th level domain spell would be better then giving your wizard +2 hit and dmg (because your fighters sure as heck don't get the bonus)

The same goes for most shield spells since they give deflection bonuses. (Cancelled by rings of protection)

I am not saying there are zero options.

What I am saying is that there are spells that do cool "lets group up" effects by buffing weapons and armor that should be included but definitely are not.
We also miss out on a large group of very cool personal range cleric buffs that to me really give off the vibe that came to mind when I first read the ability.

Liberty's Edge RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

So, you're arguing that level 1-2 cleric buffs suck because gear? That's a hard sell, man. I've played at all levels, and those buffs are still handy. Even if you have, say, a belt of giant strength +4 (unlikely at 9th level), you'd still probably appreciate bear's endurance or aid. Or resist energy, since you're all clustered around the crusader cleric in a convenient fireball target.

Letting them use it for GMW or magic vestment would create cheese because you could put every bit of gear in the party within the cleric's reach.

Letting them use it to put personal range spells on other people would also be cheese, IMO. Personal range spells are personal, not touch, for a reason.

Liberty's Edge

Charlie Bell wrote:
IDK, protection from evil, shield of faith, aid, resist energy, bull's strength, and the like are pretty good buffs to use with legion's blessing.

I've really got to agree here. The ability may not be the most powerful ability in the game, but it is solid and has some very solid options.

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