Duergar Forgemaster?


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Hi.

I was planning to make a duergar character with the Forgemaster archetype for a Pathfinder campaign. I know that by rules this particular archetype can be chosen only by dwarves and one of the players in our game did also bring up this point. But when taking in to account everything I know about the duergar, the Forgemaster should be an archetype that fits right in to their lore, history and culture. I mean, duergar are basically evil dwarves that live in the underdark. They create magical armor and weapons in pretty much the same way as dwarves do, and if I don't remember incorrectly they also use runes. Still, my friend insists that I would need to swap some of my duergar traits for dwarf traits and create one hell of a background for my character to do this, which in my opinion kind of ruins the idea of playing a duergar Forgemaster (the traits, not the background).

And for this reason I turn to you all. Please give me your opinions on this problem so I might move on with my life, for in all honesty I see no problems with playing a duergar Forgemaster.


Synzia wrote:
Please give me your opinions on this problem so I might move on with my life, for in all honesty I see no problems with playing a duergar Forgemaster.

Most racial archetypes don't actually have anything to do with the race's racial traits and could feasibly be used by another race. Especially for dwarves vs. druergar, they aren't really that much different. Anyways, take bonded witch for instance. Apparently Half-Elves are the only witches ever who make a connection with items instead of familiars. Nothing about Half-Elves really screams "Makes bonds with weapons!" but somehow RAW they are the only ones.

Your friend is the DM? That does make a difference.


d20pfsrd wrote:
Duergar are humanoids with the dwarf subtype

So by raw you count as dwarf for feat traits reqirments. It is not strictly clear (or at least i cant find it) if you need to be the race or have the subtype dwarf to take levels in this archtype. But as i read the rules it is engouh to have the subtype ...

FAQ wrote:

Racial Heritage: Can a human with this feat take levels in an archetype that requires you to be of a specific race?

Yes, the Racial Heritage feat allows you to qualify for archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement, assuming you still meet all of the other requirements to take levels in the archetype.

—Jason Bulmahn, 07/27/12

Racial Heritage is like you gain the suptype and it allows you to take archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement. So i am quite sure the dwarf subtype a duergar already has qualifies to take Forgemaster archetype.

Why does you friend say you have to come up with the hell of a background ?? Even if he disagrees on my reading ... this archtype seams to fit well. Or has your friend a problem with you playing an evil race ?!

Breiti


Pathfinder Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I see no reason why a duergar wouldn't fit the Forgemaster archetype. I would allow it with no fuss, but your GM is the final arbitrator. Have you spoken to other players in the group? I often find that if all players agree, I'm more likely to allow it as GM.


Breiti wrote:
d20pfsrd wrote:
Duergar are humanoids with the dwarf subtype

So by raw you count as dwarf for feat traits reqirments. It is not strictly clear (or at least i cant find it) if you need to be the race or have the subtype dwarf to take levels in this archtype. But as i read the rules it is engouh to have the subtype ...

FAQ wrote:

Racial Heritage: Can a human with this feat take levels in an archetype that requires you to be of a specific race?

Yes, the Racial Heritage feat allows you to qualify for archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement, assuming you still meet all of the other requirements to take levels in the archetype.

—Jason Bulmahn, 07/27/12

Racial Heritage is like you gain the suptype and it allows you to take archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement. So i am quite sure the dwarf subtype a duergar already has qualifies to take Forgemaster archetype.

Why does you friend say you have to come up with the hell of a background ?? Even if he disagrees on my reading ... this archtype seams to fit well. Or has your friend a problem with you playing an evil race ?!

Breiti

I agree, although to be fair that feat outright declares you to be treated as a member of that particular race as well as gain it's subtype. I don't think RAW the subtype itself is the qualifier or picking racial heritage (goblin) would qualify for hobgoblin archtypes like the iron-whatever monk. Personally I remove all the racial prereqs from archetypes, with only the cavern sniper requiring at least a darkness spell-like ability.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

I would discuss this with your DM.

By the way, Duergar make great Wild Rager Barbarians, and Inquisitors.

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