Energy damage and projectile weapons - intent or oversight?


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Over in this thread I noticed something interesting: projectile weapons do not appear to confer energy damage effects (such as flaming) to their ammunition.

Here are the relevant chunks of rules text:

Ranged Weapons and Ammunition wrote:

The enhancement bonus from a ranged weapon does not stack with the enhancement bonus from ammunition. Only the higher of the two enhancement bonuses applies.

Ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an enhancement bonus of +1 or higher is treated as a magic weapon for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction . Similarly, ammunition fired from a projectile weapon with an alignment gains the alignment of that projectile weapon.

Flaming wrote:
Upon command, a flaming weapon is sheathed in fire that deals an extra 1d6 points of fire damage on a successful hit. The fire does not harm the wielder. The effect remains until another command is given.

The interesting points are that a) non-magical ammunition does not actually become magical, it is treated as magical for overcoming DR, b) aligned projectile weapons fire aligned ammunition, and c) nothing is said about energy effects.

I will say that I do not believe for one second that a +1 flaming longbow won't do +1d6 fire damage, and since the flaming property (on which all the other energy properties are based) may sidestep the issue by just saying it does extra fire damage, and since a projectile weapon's damage is done by the ammunition, not the weapon itself, the extra damage must logically be applied to the ammunition, but it is of considerable interest to me that a non-magical arrow fired from a +1 flaming holy longbow is a) non-magical but overcomes DR as though it were, b) [Good] aligned and c) incapable of possessing the flaming property because it is not a +1 or higher weapon.

Thoughts and opinions, please!

(Again: I believe that the arrow should deliver the extra fire damage.)


Chemlak wrote:


The interesting points are that a) non-magical ammunition does not actually become magical, it is treated as magical for overcoming DR, b) aligned projectile weapons fire aligned ammunition, and c) nothing is said about energy effects.

a non-magical arrow fired from a +1 flaming holy longbow is a) non-magical but overcomes DR as though it were, b) [Good] aligned and c) incapable of possessing the flaming property because it is not a +1 or higher weapon.

Thoughts and opinions, please!

(Again: I believe that the arrow should deliver the extra fire damage.)

You should also include in the Cites this little bit:

Weapons come in two basic categories: melee and ranged. Some of the weapons listed as melee weapons can also be used as ranged weapons. In this case, their enhancement bonuses apply to both melee and ranged attacks.

Some magic weapons have special abilities. Special abilities count as additional bonuses for determining the market value of the item, but do not modify attack or damage bonuses (except where specifically noted). A single weapon cannot have a modified bonus (enhancement bonus plus special ability bonus equivalents, including those from character abilities and spells) higher than +10. A weapon with a special ability must also have at least a +1 enhancement bonus. Weapons cannot possess the same special ability more than once.

AND
The super script 3 on flaming in the ranged weapon table goes to the line item 3 at the bottom of the table that reads:

3 Projectile weapons with this ability bestow this power upon their ammunition.

COMBINE and basically a piece of ammunition which in this case would be considered the "weapon" cannot have 2 instances of the same thing on it. But as RAW an unholy arrow shot from a Holy Bow would then have both Holy and Unholy properties, similarly a Fire and Frost combination would be possible. The ICY-HOT arrow, etc.


oh those cites were from the d20pfsrd magic weapons section, or your PF Base book both have them.


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Aha! I knew I'd probably missed something. Damn those superscripts.

Thanks, Demjing!

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