Can pixies drink potions ?


Rules Questions

Verdant Wheel

Diminutive sized pixies create diminutive potions or regular potions ? As there is nothing about potion resizing, i believe not. So must the pixie the entire potion to be affected ? How long would take for thd diminutive thing drink a ounce of liquid ? And if it is uncouncious ? Can a pixie hold a wand one handed ? Can a pixie hold open a scroll ? I guess diminutive wizards dont have it that easy.


Do you want an answer by the RAW or by what makes sense? Most of the rules are designed around typical PC's and so doesn't very well cover situations with large size or shape deviations.

By RAW they can use it as well as a human as long as they can lift it (check weight limits).

By what makes sense, wands and scrolls should be no problem. Potions aren't a problem to handle, but if they have to drink it all there might be issues. One easy way to handwave it is that they drink just a little (and don't need more as they are so small) but that the act spoils the rest regardless.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

There is this interesting line in the rules "Size should not keep characters of various kinds from using magic items."

Of course, it goes into discussing the size of magic arms and armor right after that.

If you take that first line as all encompassing, then a pixie can drink the same potion as a human or a colossal dragon and they all get the same effect. As to whether the potion actually shrinks or grows is up to the DM.

The same is true about all other magic items. There is some conjecture that magic arms and armor somehow fall outside of this rule.


As an aside- Pixies are small size and have little issue chugging potions.

However I do love the mental image of some poor little fae, battered and bleeding, trying to lift up a potion bottle nearly as tall as they are and wondering how on earth they are gonna consume all that liquid.

Maybe just pour it into a thimble and take a bath in the CLW :)

-S


Selgard wrote:

As an aside- Pixies are small size and have little issue chugging potions.

However I do love the mental image of some poor little fae, battered and bleeding, trying to lift up a potion bottle nearly as tall as they are and wondering how on earth they are gonna consume all that liquid.

Maybe just pour it into a thimble and take a bath in the CLW :)

-S

By definition, potion bottles are only about 2 cubic inches, so unless the faerie's only 6 inches tall, it would be like slugging a Big Gulp cup to them :)


You know the REAL reason pixies drinking potions is a problem? And why unconscious pixies are a problem? It's nothing to do with size. The problem is Spell Resistance. In the rules as written (core rulebook pp. 183 and 565,) lowering spell resistance is a standard action, so SR can be a huge hindrance. If a creature with SR is unconscious and dying, a cleric would have trouble casting a healing spell on it. And it would be impossible for a creature with SR to benefit from a potion, since drinking a potion is a standard action, and you can’t take two standard actions in one round.

That's why I wrote a house rule stating that lowering spell resistance is not an action. Furthermore, a creature with SR may choose to lower it at any time – even when it’s not the creature’s turn, or when the creature is flat-footed, surprised, or even unconscious.

Silver Crusade

One of the most satisfying moments in our current campaign was when a pixie-sized-and-shaped lyrakien ally downed a potion of fire breath and started belching forth hell on a cold natured enemy larger than all of us combined. :D


Aaron Bitman wrote:

You know the REAL reason pixies drinking potions is a problem? And why unconscious pixies are a problem? It's nothing to do with size. The problem is Spell Resistance. In the rules as written (core rulebook pp. 183 and 565,) lowering spell resistance is a standard action, so SR can be a huge hindrance. If a creature with SR is unconscious and dying, a cleric would have trouble casting a healing spell on it. And it would be impossible for a creature with SR to benefit from a potion, since drinking a potion is a standard action, and you can’t take two standard actions in one round.

That's why I wrote a house rule stating that lowering spell resistance is not an action. Furthermore, a creature with SR may choose to lower it at any time – even when it’s not the creature’s turn, or when the creature is flat-footed, surprised, or even unconscious.

Spells cast by, and items used by, someone with SR auto-bypss their SR.

SR is a problem for someone else using a wand or potion on you- not a problem for you using them on/for yourself.

From the Glossary of the CRB:

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A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.

-S

Dark Archive

Where is the rule stating that After you take a standard action to lower your spell resistance That it automatically resets the next round?


Glossary of the CRB, under "Spell Resistance".

Quote:

Spell Resistance

Spell resistance is the extraordinary ability to avoid being affected by spells. Some spells also grant spell resistance.

To affect a creature that has spell resistance, a spellcaster must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) at least equal to the creature's spell resistance. The defender's spell resistance is like an Armor Class against magical attacks. If the caster fails the check, the spell doesn't affect the creature. The possessor does not have to do anything special to use spell resistance. The creature need not even be aware of the threat for its spell resistance to operate.

Only spells and spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance. Extraordinary and supernatural abilities (including enhancement bonuses on magic weapons) are not. A creature can have some abilities that are subject to spell resistance and some that are not. Even some spells ignore spell resistance; see When Spell Resistance Applies, below.

A creature can voluntarily lower its spell resistance. Doing so is a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Once a creature lowers its resistance, it remains down until the creature's next turn. At the beginning of the creature's next turn, the creature's spell resistance automatically returns unless the creature intentionally keeps it down (also a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity).

A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.

A creature with spell resistance cannot impart this power to others by touching them or standing in their midst. Only the rarest of creatures and a few magic items have the ability to bestow spell resistance upon another.

Spell resistance does not stack, but rather overlaps.


Another solution to the spell resistance issue -- Alchemical healing agents. They exist.

Sovereign Court

Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
Another solution to the spell resistance issue -- Alchemical healing agents. They exist.

Alchemical ways to heal hit points? Not in Paizo's material (unless fire damage heals you).


Selgard wrote:

Spells cast by, and items used by, someone with SR auto-bypss their SR.

SR is a problem for someone else using a wand or potion on you- not a problem for you using them on/for yourself.

From the Glossary of the CRB:

Quote:
A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.
-S

Its OWN spells or abilities, yes. But that doesn't help if some friendly human cleric, for example, tries to cast Cure Light Wounds on an unconscious pixie.

I will confess that I hadn't thought of the "items" part of that clause, in that way. I assumed that it meant the unique types of items that a monster would have. For instance, if a community of pixies were to create a bunch of Cure Light Wounds potions, then they would design such potions to bypass SR.

But yes, Selgard, I will admit that this rule, taken literally, would mean that if some pixie were to buy a potion, or win one by conquest, or whatever, then that potion should work. It's weird. How is a creature's SR supposed to know whether an item belongs to that creature or not?

Verdant Wheel

Thank you for all the answers, i said Pixies, but i meant sprites that are diminutive. The problem was exactly that, we happened upon a uncouncious sprite with SR, so we gave it a potion to bypass the spell resistence, but i thought: How should i give it to her, she would drown inside the potion flask, then we found her spellbook and the wizard wanted to copy her spells, how could he read it ? So i thought about all the problems of a diminutive wizard over the obvious advantages of her spells having the same firepower than a colossal wizard.
We have the same DC to do first aid ? (microsurgety?)

It's not a practial complain, its only weird how the rules work with extreme sized spellcasters. Can we put a fine sized potion in a arrowhead and shoot it inside the maw of a colossal monster ? Are Nazca plains a Kaiju's Spellbook ? What are the consequences of making regular itens working for irregular sized creatures and making oversized or microsized version of magic itens ?

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