All my players want dinosaurs!!! I would like to know if any of you could see a place in Varisia where there could be dinosaurs? I most likely will build a session around the area with cr 3-7 encounters.
ty for all your ideas
In Varisia? I don't see it.
In the Inner Sea Region? The Mwangi Expanse for sure. Are your players looking to HAVE dinosaurs (familiars, animal companions, mounts, etc?) or to FIGHT them? If the former, simply have them be from somewhere else.
In Varisia? I don't see it.
In the Inner Sea Region? The Mwangi Expanse for sure. Are your players looking to HAVE dinosaurs (familiars, animal companions, mounts, etc?) or to FIGHT them? If the former, simply have them be from somewhere else.
they have downtime between burnt offerings RORL.....want to find/train dinosaurs for animal comp/ mounts. they are level4/5 and I figured if they get bored in-town then I would give them a challenge.
ty for your reply
Just introduce a mysterious portal - anywhere. Beyond the portal, a muggy place with dinosaurs. Better yet, introduce suddenly, dinosaurs! and have the portal be the explanation for why. Of course, then you get into who created the portal, why they chose to connect it to Dinotopia, how long it's been there, and why dinosaurs haven't come through before, but I feel confident in leaving these questions unanswered as an exercise for the reader.
sounds good, but I just need enough for half session. out of a group of 7 pcs, only 2 enjoy in-town sessions lol
Hmm...
A wealthy (and conveniently evil) eccentric has shipped exotic creatures from across the sea to [insert nearest Varisian port city here] in order to add them to his grand menagerie. After the PCs foil whatever evil he's up to, the authorities ask them to do something with these bizarre creatures in the ship's hold...
If I were to hazard a guess, if you wanted a dinosaur of some kind, you could probably find something in kaer Maga.
Why?
They trade with Urglin, which is considered part of Belkzen and independent at the same time. Belkzen has access of course to dinos from Wyvernsting thanks to its bordering of the Realm of the Mammoth Lords, which is chock full of dinos and other meaty beasts.
kaer maga....nice keep them out of magnimar
In the spirit of the Valley of Gwangi, I'd have to say a Varisian Rodeo.All my players want dinosaurs!!! I would like to know if any of you could see a place in Varisia where there could be dinosaurs? I most likely will build a session around the area with cr 3-7 encounters.
ty for all your ideas
ran a session last night...ugh
after telling him he found no proof there is dinosaurs in Varisia, he took half the party to Magnimar. I told him there is a 30% chance he could find exotic animals like dinosaurs in this big city. Rolling for each breed, he was able to find a t-rex and a stegosaurus. Unfortunately that was not good enough for him since he only wanted an allosaurus. he then rolled his eyes, said I was making it too difficult, and jumped on a boat with another pc exclaiming "well, I guess i'm going to dinosaur land!!!" when I asked him where that was,(mwangi expanse told to him earlier by the exotic pet vender), he said "that place I was told dinosaurs are....Dinosaurland!!!!" now 2 members are on a boat (1 who immediately regrets going), and the rest of the party is back in sandpoint starting chapter 2 of RORL!!! This player is our former gm and everyone at the table is upset. we had a week between chapters to train, sell magic items, craft items, or follow up on rumors and side quests. we spent the whole night listening to him complain about not having a riding allosaurus. "this was part of my original character concept". I wanted to let the rest of the pcs know that no matter how much you complain and min/max, sometimes things don't work out the way you planned.he's rolling + 13 to hit with longbow.....not enough. got a t-rex...not enough natural attacks like allosaurus....
All my players want dinosaurs!!! I would like to know if any of you could see a place in Varisia where there could be dinosaurs? I most likely will build a session around the area with cr 3-7 encounters.
ty for all your ideas
We absolutely do not ever have dinosaurs in our campaign as standard monsters... just too much genre cross-over. I mean really, can you imagine Tyranosaurs stomping around in the background of Lord of the Rings? I do, however, have creatures with similar stats manifest as 'fey' creatures of otherworldly origins, usually (but not always) when players select them as companions/familiars.
In the spirit of the Valley of Gwangi, I'd have to say a Varisian Rodeo.All my players want dinosaurs!!! I would like to know if any of you could see a place in Varisia where there could be dinosaurs? I most likely will build a session around the area with cr 3-7 encounters.
ty for all your ideas
ran a session last night...ugh
after telling him he found no proof there is dinosaurs in Varisia, he took half the party to Magnimar. I told him there is a 30% chance he could find exotic animals like dinosaurs in this big city. Rolling for each breed, he was able to find a t-rex and a stegosaurus. Unfortunately that was not good enough for him since he only wanted an allosaurus. he then rolled his eyes, said I was making it too difficult, and jumped on a boat with another pc exclaiming "well, I guess i'm going to dinosaur land!!!" when I asked him where that was,(mwangi expanse told to him earlier by the exotic pet vender), he said "that place I was told dinosaurs are....Dinosaurland!!!!" now 2 members are on a boat (1 who immediately regrets going), and the rest of the party is back in sandpoint starting chapter 2 of RORL!!! This player is our former gm and everyone at the table is upset. we had a week between chapters to train, sell magic items, craft items, or follow up on rumors and side quests. we spent the whole night listening to him complain about not having a riding allosaurus. "this was part of my original character concept". I wanted to let the rest of the pcs know that no matter how much you complain and min/max, sometimes things don't work out the way you planned.he's rolling + 13 to hit with longbow.....not enough. got a t-rex...not enough natural attacks like allosaurus....
Yuck. Ask him why he doesn't just play an MMO if that's the approach he's going to take at the table.
Characters, at the very least, should be created with an eye towards the region and flavor of the campaign they are about to play. Otherwise, why not just drive a tank around Sandpoint?
I think there's a certain point where, as the DM, you have to say...
NO DINOS FOR YOU!!!
Never thought I'd type that. Anyways... Kill the character that wants the allosaurus, and have the other character on the boat survive and wake up back in the city. A charybdis is great for the "Yay I'm on a boat... CRAP!" feeling.
Just some thoughts,
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I hate to think it would come to that!! it's crazy that I keep butting heads with this pc(former group gm). his min/maxing is just insane!! I gave him a t-rex and he still rolled his eyes like a child and jumped on a "boat" without roleplaying. what boat!?!?! I never told you there was a boat with a sign saying cruise to dinosaurland!! none of the other pcs at the table said a word while he dominated the town session and coaxed them to join him on his sacred dino-quest. ughhhhhhhhhhh
In the spirit of the Valley of Gwangi, I'd have to say a Varisian Rodeo.All my players want dinosaurs!!! I would like to know if any of you could see a place in Varisia where there could be dinosaurs? I most likely will build a session around the area with cr 3-7 encounters.
ty for all your ideas
ran a session last night...ugh
after telling him he found no proof there is dinosaurs in Varisia, he took half the party to Magnimar. I told him there is a 30% chance he could find exotic animals like dinosaurs in this big city. Rolling for each breed, he was able to find a t-rex and a stegosaurus. Unfortunately that was not good enough for him since he only wanted an allosaurus. he then rolled his eyes, said I was making it too difficult, and jumped on a boat with another pc exclaiming "well, I guess i'm going to dinosaur land!!!" when I asked him where that was,(mwangi expanse told to him earlier by the exotic pet vender), he said "that place I was told dinosaurs are....Dinosaurland!!!!" now 2 members are on a boat (1 who immediately regrets going), and the rest of the party is back in sandpoint starting chapter 2 of RORL!!! This player is our former gm and everyone at the table is upset. we had a week between chapters to train, sell magic items, craft items, or follow up on rumors and side quests. we spent the whole night listening to him complain about not having a riding allosaurus. "this was part of my original character concept". I wanted to let the rest of the pcs know that no matter how much you complain and min/max, sometimes things don't work out the way you planned.he's rolling + 13 to hit with longbow.....not enough. got a t-rex...not enough natural attacks like allosaurus....Yuck. Ask him why he doesn't just play an MMO if that's the approach he's going to take at the table.
Characters, at the very least, should be created with an eye towards the region and flavor of the campaign they are about...
yeah, it really seems that he is trying to re-create a warcraft character he had once.
Seriously though:
"Death solves all problems; no man, no problem."
-Joseph Stalin
Kill Mr. Dinosaur lover.
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Then make his character a NPC.
Seriously though:
"Death solves all problems; no man, no problem."
-Joseph Stalin
Kill Mr. Dinosaur lover.
I know death and fire solve many problems......any other advice might be needed though. "Think of the children (other pcs)!!!!!"
I know death and fire solve many problems......any other advice might be needed though. "Think of the children (other pcs)!!!!!"Seriously though:
"Death solves all problems; no man, no problem."
-Joseph Stalin
Kill Mr. Dinosaur lover.
You can pull him aside and explain to him that he's disrupting the campaign and, as such, ruining it for the other players with his antics. Make the point that the game is about role-playing as a group, not min/maxing a specific build so that you can 'win'. Sad to say, he doesn't sound like someone who would respond to such a reasonable talking-to though, as it would seem to be self-evident to anyone. For all the discussions I see on this board, something I rarely see mentioned is the necessity of players in a group to share a common vision, even if they don't share common goals.
Personally, I wouldn't play with this individual, but I have a low tolerance for this kind of foolishness and you know your situation better than I ever could.
it's crazy that I keep butting heads with this pc(former group gm). his min/maxing is just insane!! I gave him a t-rex and he still rolled his eyes like a child and jumped on a "boat" without roleplaying. what boat!?!?!
when the superfriends want to play flintstones you're suppose to give them a jurassic nightmare that makes them grateful to find shelter.
"undead raptors, everywhere. you don't have time to complain that your mount doesn't leave a wake of sparkles and lollipops. these things are hungry, won't sit still for wild empathy, aren't carrying treasure, and help isn't on the way."
it's crazy that I keep butting heads with this pc(former group gm). his min/maxing is just insane!! I gave him a t-rex and he still rolled his eyes like a child and jumped on a "boat" without roleplaying. what boat!?!?!when the superfriends want to play flintstones you're suppose to give them a jurassic nightmare that makes them grateful to find shelter.
"undead raptors, everywhere. you don't have time to complain that your mount doesn't leave a wake of sparkles and lollipops. these things are hungry, won't sit still for wild empathy, aren't carrying treasure, and help isn't on the way."
it seems like i'm damned whatever I do.....I cant reason with him.
If you do decide to 'kill' the character, make it the delicious irony of being killed by an Allosaurus.
Have him try to capture the Allosaurus and then unload on him. If his character is of a class which would use charm or dominate, make sure the Allosaurus is a 'awakened' one. And with class levels if you really want to put the point across.
Or you can just kick him to the curb. Yep, that works too...
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it seems like i'm damned whatever I do.....I cant reason with him.
reason? you are playing the ineffible unforgiving universe. reason is neither here nor there. if you are goign for realism, go for consequences. stories with people obsessed with catching a monster don't typically end well for a reason. if ahab wants to go down that path let it be paved with sacrifice and tragedy.
I would let him get his dinosaur, but he will have his cake and eat it too. Everyone goes ahead with the ROTRL modules and he does his own thing.
...just too much genre cross-over. I mean really, can you imagine Tyranosaurs stomping around in the background of Lord of the Rings?...Only if George Lucas is hired to do a Special Anniversary Edition of Peter Jackson's films. - I'm sorry, that was a cheap shot.
Brilliant.
Unfortunately that was not good enough for him since he only wanted an allosaurus. he then rolled his eyes, said I was making it too difficult, and jumped on a boat with another pc exclaiming "well, I guess i'm going to dinosaur land!!!" when I asked him where that was,(mwangi expanse told to him earlier by the exotic pet vender), he said "that place I was told dinosaurs are....Dinosaurland!!!!" now 2 members are on a boat (1 who immediately regrets going), and the rest of the party is back in sandpoint starting chapter 2 of RORL!
In this case, I'd tell the dino-lover to bring in a replacement character, as the trip to "Dinosaurland" will take at least four months in-game. (It's like sailing from Seattle to Lima, Peru, plus the fun of sailing through the permanent hurricane). Then, it will take time to find and capture an allosaurus, then it will be another four months to return (assuming he can find a ship willing to carry a live allosaurus!)
Tell him you'll run a personal side-quest in the Mwangi Expanse about trying to capture a live allosaurus at some point in the future. But for now you want to get on with the campaign, so he needs to bring in a new character that fits the campaign. And a dino-rider will NOT fit the campaign.
Or... if I wanted to be mean, after he explained the kind of creature he was looking for, somebody tells him that there are tales of such a creature lurking in Tanglebriar in Kyonin. And then send him off to try to capture Treerazer!
it seems like i'm damned whatever I do.....I cant reason with him.reason? you are playing the ineffible unforgiving universe. reason is neither here nor there. if you are goign for realism, go for consequences. stories with people obsessed with catching a monster don't typically end well for a reason. if ahab wants to go down that path let it be paved with sacrifice and tragedy.
love the Ahab reference!!!
the thought of a dead ranger being forever tied to the back of an allosaurus while he roams the wilds of Varisia is just awesome.
If you really want a place to put dinos in Varesia, I would recomend the Rift of Niltak.
Very foggy valley, basicly unexplored, and the few that do manage to come back from explorations are all insane.
A few volcanic vents to make it nice and steamy warm (and dangerous to get into and out of), swamps and warm lakes, dinos and snakemen and lizard tribes and whatever 'Land of the Lost' stuff you want to put in.And then you can just do horrible things to his character if he decides to go there. Because everyone who went in never came back out, or came out insane (which is why you have snakemen and lizard tribes to perform the sanity bending worship of 'elder gods' to cause insanity or death).
nothing better than creating a whole new universe/setting so one crybaby pc can get or be killed by dinosaurs...lol i'm all for doing an encounter where he gets his prized allosaurus only to wake up from a dream. no, that's just mean....nicer to just kill him
I would never put Dinosaurs living in Varisia.
However, if you really want to let your players face them, I could see a Shoanti druid, who has left Varisia to explore the world and now returned and riled up his tribe (or trying to take it over?), summoning dinosaurs to face the party as they intervene.
Unfortunately that was not good enough for him since he only wanted an allosaurus. he then rolled his eyes, said I was making it too difficult, and jumped on a boat with another pc exclaiming "well, I guess i'm going to dinosaur land!!!" when I asked him where that was,(mwangi expanse told to him earlier by the exotic pet vender), he said "that place I was told dinosaurs are....Dinosaurland!!!!" now 2 members are on a boat (1 who immediately regrets going), and the rest of the party is back in sandpoint starting chapter 2 of RORL!In this case, I'd tell the dino-lover to bring in a replacement character, as the trip to "Dinosaurland" will take at least four months in-game. (It's like sailing from Seattle to Lima, Peru, plus the fun of sailing through the permanent hurricane). Then, it will take time to find and capture an allosaurus, then it will be another four months to return (assuming he can find a ship willing to carry a live allosaurus!)
Tell him you'll run a personal side-quest in the Mwangi Expanse about trying to capture a live allosaurus at some point in the future. But for now you want to get on with the campaign, so he needs to bring in a new character that fits the campaign. And a dino-rider will NOT fit the campaign.
man,Or... if I wanted to be mean, after he explained the kind of creature he was looking for, somebody tells him that there are tales of such a creature lurking in Tanglebriar in Kyonin. And then send him off to try to capture Treerazer!
cr 25 treerazer!!! UPDATE--other party members who are frustrated like I am have convinced him to get a big cat. he is begrudgingly going to take it once he found out it has pounce and rake giving it 5 attacks on a charge and being 5th level with boon companion. dinosaur who?!?!? forget that, my big kitty has 5 attacks and I can dress it up like a dinosaur and ride it at level 7!!!!!
I would never put Dinosaurs living in Varisia.
However, if you really want to let your players face them, I could see a Shoanti druid, who has left Varisia to explore the world and now returned and riled up his tribe (or trying to take it over?), summoning dinosaurs to face the party as they intervene.
nice idea, but once again why is varisia and RORL campaign turning into the Land of the Lost just to reward one pc's crybaby antics. what's next aliens!?!?! ranger pet: Chewbacca
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nice idea, but once again why is varisia and RORL campaign turning into the Land of the Lost just to reward one pc's crybaby antics. what's next aliens!?!?! ranger pet: ChewbaccaI would never put Dinosaurs living in Varisia.
However, if you really want to let your players face them, I could see a Shoanti druid, who has left Varisia to explore the world and now returned and riled up his tribe (or trying to take it over?), summoning dinosaurs to face the party as they intervene.
what's next aliens!?!?!
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Over in the Ask James Jacobs' Anything thread, he's said that technically dinosaurs can be found anywhere on Golarion. They're by no means limited to the Mwangi Expanse. They're certainly present in places like the Realm of the Mammoth Lords. Or heck, maybe some of them wandered up from Orv, which is actually where they're supposed to have originated. If dinosaurs are technically native to the Darklands, they can probably pop up anywhere. There's no reason Varisa can't have a small population of dinosaurs. Heck, maybe you can even make a plot hook about it. "Oh, yeah, a pack of dinosaurs wandered into our area from some nearby caves. Can you deal with them? They're kinda making themselves a nuisance to our livestock."