Is the "No Polearm + Armor Spikes" official?


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BYC wrote:
Nicos wrote:
It woul have less impact that the "SLA as prerequistes for a lot of things" change.
Can somebody point me to the FAQ entry for this? I searched the FAQs, but didn't see it there.

Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?

Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat.

Edit 7/12/13: The design team is aware that the above answer means that certain races can gain access to some spellcaster prestige classes earlier than the default minimum (character level 6). Given that prestige classes are usually a sub-optimal character choice (especially for spellcasters), the design team is allowing this FAQ ruling for prestige classes. If there is in-play evidence that this ruling is creating characters that are too powerful, the design team may revisit whether or not to allow spell-like abilities to count for prestige class requirements.

http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Ilja wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

As I noted, Jason Bulmahn, and Sean K Reynolds, are credited as Authors of the book in which this NPC is statted.

This means they saw the NPC, and his noted tactics, and approved.

I don't know if all authors of a book read exactly every word in the book in it's final version, but regardless of that, again, it just means that NPC is wrong compared to the rules.
What rules in particular?

If it is TWFing with a THW and armor spikes then it breaks the TWF rules as clarified in the FAQ.

Silver Crusade

Can anyone supply a link to where this quote is from?

Mark Moreland wrote:
Armor spikes are treated as light weapons for the purpose of threatening adjacent squares. Light weapons require the use of limbs, so you would only be able to make attacks with them if you have a free hand. Thus, wielding a two-handed reach weapon would negate your ability to "wield" (and thus threaten with) armor spikes. This isn't necessarily clear in the rules, but I just discussed it with Jason, and we're both on the same page about the intent.

Out of context its driving me crazy.


Which are based on the rules laid out on page 141 of the CRB.

Grand Lodge

Ilja wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Ilja wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

As I noted, Jason Bulmahn, and Sean K Reynolds, are credited as Authors of the book in which this NPC is statted.

This means they saw the NPC, and his noted tactics, and approved.

I don't know if all authors of a book read exactly every word in the book in it's final version, but regardless of that, again, it just means that NPC is wrong compared to the rules.
What rules in particular?
If it is TWFing with a THW and armor spikes then it breaks the TWF rules as clarified in the FAQ.

Threatening with a Polearm and Armor Spikes, and the ability to make AoO with either, is not two weapon fighting.

Two weapon fighting is a specific full attack action.


Ah. Thought you meant the NPC TWF'd with them. Well then, ignore my posts ><

Shadow Lodge

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Weirdo wrote:
*hypothetical stuff about primary and secondary weapon attacks*

These unwritten rules of declaration, and wielding limits are simply an extrapolation of desires, random unrelated quotes, and an imaginative "reading between the lines".

Well, I declare, my independence from these unwritten rules, that change, and contradict written rules, along with themselves.

I'm not saying that's the way it works. I'm saying that if that's how the devs meant it to work, that's how they should have phrased it.

This all looks to me a bit like the devs suddenly changing their minds about allowing a combat style that they should have seen coming, what with armour spikes having existed in 3E for years. Especially if there's an NPC who fights with both.

Additional question raised:

Monk wrote:
A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.

Does this mean that a monk using UAS, and only a monk using UAS, would be exempt from any rulings indicating that hands-free weapons occupy a "hand"/the "off hand"? (I must admit that until I joined the messageboards I assumed that the text about monks striking with parts other than their fists implied that all other unarmed fighters were restricted to the fists only, and that using UAS with your hands full was intended to be a special monk power.)


Weirdo wrote:


Monk wrote:
A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. THIS MEANS that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.
Does this mean that a monk using UAS, and only a monk using UAS, would be exempt from any rulings indicating that hands-free weapons occupy a "hand"/the "off hand"? (I must admit that until I joined the messageboards I assumed that the text about monks striking with parts other than their fists implied that all other unarmed fighters were restricted to the fists only, and that using UAS with your hands full was intended to be a special monk power.)

I think so. I would say the words "this means" also implies that if you get an attack from somewhere else on your body, you can make it with hands full. Apparently this is not true.

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