The next Monarch needs to be elected


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I'm wondering how you will feel if the Queen is replaced with an elected Authority? I'm up for electing a Monarch for Life but there are some who think having the US President as Sovereign means an elected Authority on a four year run.

Interested? Keep in Mind Kate is giving birth to an un-elected 'lifer'.

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Nope. What would be the point?


yellowdingo wrote:
I'm wondering how you will feel if the Queen is replaced with an elected Authority?

That would be a stupid idea. The only reason that the monarchy works at all is because the Crown is in no sense an "Authority." A hereditary figurehead saves the expenses involved with elections and avoids the problems associated with having a Head of State actually make decisions.


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I thought the UK already had an elected leader known as the Prime Minister?


David knott 242 wrote:
I thought the UK already had an elected leader known as the Prime Minister?

Well, we have a guy who says we elected him. No one seems to actually admit to electing the little tool though.

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Orfamay Quest wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
I'm wondering how you will feel if the Queen is replaced with an elected Authority?
That would be a stupid idea. The only reason that the monarchy works at all is because the Crown is in no sense an "Authority." A hereditary figurehead saves the expenses involved with elections and avoids the problems associated with having a Head of State actually make decisions.

Actually the Crown is absolute authority (crown law) - the monarch is just the figurehead of the day who occasionally claims some god given right to wear it. It could just as well sit on a seat by itself (like a folded flag) but we saw how well that went for Monaco.

Elected Monarch on a four year term?
Elected Monarch on a Life term?
US President as a filler?


As Liz 2.0 is Queen of Australia and some other not important places (a wet and gray little island, some place so cold hockey is played on ice and some place that deludes its self into believing that it is middle earth because frankly living in New Zealand is that boring).

I am of three minds.... I want to live in a republic, I works mostly why change it, or Harry would make a great king of Aus and why don't we invite him as and tell Liz and the rest to piss off...

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The 8th Dwarf wrote:

As Liz 2.0 is Queen of Australia and some other not important places (a wet and gray little island, some place so cold hockey is played on ice and some place that deludes its self into believing that it is middle earth because frankly living in New Zealand is that boring).

I am of three minds.... I want to live in a republic, I works mostly why change it, or Harry would make a great king of Aus and why don't we invite him as and tell Liz and the rest to piss off...

Why not invite Harry to be king of Australia? He is everything Commonwealth citizens have died in wars fighting. That's why not.


How did I know, without even reading the "author" tag, that this was a yellowdingo thread..... o-O


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The important part of having a monarchy work well is MAKING ABSOLUTELY BLOODY CERTAIN the sod on the throne doesn't have a single shred of formal power. Sweden has understood this far better than you Commonwealth people. Our King is needed for exactly one single thing: declaring the parliament year opened. If he would choose not to, or be indisposed, I suspect someone else might manage to do his job in this. Difficult as it may be to say "Jag förklarar härmed riksmötet öppnat."

Your Queen has a lot of sneaky-ass powers that she could seriously wreck things with, but has chosen, thus far, not to use. That is exactly the wrong way to do it.


Off with their heads!


As a resident of that 'place so cold hockey is played on ice', I find the Monarchy works great for annoying Americans. Either they are jealous because it's something we have that they don't, or it makes them mad that we still have a queen and aren't using the Superior American System.


Yeah cuz it worked out so well for Naboo.

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Over here in Blighty, the monarchy is part of a system of privilege that is a constant slap in the face to everyone else.

The media is, right now, busy reminding us all that our children are much, much less important than royal children.

I wouldn't want a President though, our Prime Ministers already have too much concentrated authority.

I just wish our monarch/president/figurehead lived in a small, pretty cottage in the country on a small stipend and we didn't fund their relatives (the [un]civil list is absurd).

It's not just the £13m a year we shell out to her while pensioners live on handouts, it's all the other stuff. The monarchy is directly tied to, and supports, a system where we are governed by self-serving, blinkered, callow Eton+Oxbridge buffoons.

I tire of the fawing, cap-doffing, yokelry of it all. If a woman who has been pampered for all her years wants me to call her ma'am and bow to her then I hope she is calling someone like my father (who has devoted his life to working damn-hard to help other people) 'Good Sir' and bowing down to him about as low as she can go. He is, by any measure I can find, better than her. And that is everything that is wrong with the system. In a nutshell. Right there. None of them have earned it and they don't even have the decency to look embarrassed and apologetic. Instead they act like they're entitled: like they deserve it.


JonGarrett wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:
I thought the UK already had an elected leader known as the Prime Minister?
Well, we have a guy who says we elected him. No one seems to actually admit to electing the little tool though.

Officially establishing a democracy is still a far cry from actually having publically elected heads of state.


meatrace wrote:
Yeah cuz it worked out so well for Naboo.

:::snickers:::

Yea, it did, didn't it.

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GeraintElberion wrote:
It's not just the £13m a year we shell out to her while pensioners live on handouts, it's all the other stuff. The monarchy is directly tied to, and supports, a system where we are governed by self-serving, blinkered, callow Eton+Oxbridge buffoons.

Doesn't the whole royal family bring Britain much more than that when it comes to tourist dollars? The pagentry and all that is a draw for a lot of your tourism.

As to the rest, it seems that the bulk of your countrymen still prefer a caste based society. The preservation of a royal family is just the tip of a cultural iceberg.

We used to have royal families of our own. Mainly the Roosevelts, who have all but died out. (although one of the last Roosevelts, FDR the third, has primarily focused on combining Marxism and capitalism in an attempt to make modern economic systems more "fair" and less prone to the "winner takes all" scenario. And of course there were the Kennedys, both pretty much of the old wealth variety. But with the passing of all the politically active males, that pretty much wraps it up for them as well.


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It's difficult to say how much the the Royals cost the nation. She gets money from the Government, but the revenue from Crown Lands goes to the treasury £300 million or so a year in revenue, I think it is. But we also pay a lot of other things not in the initial grant, such as security and travel. So it's difficult to work out the finances. Republicans will tell you they cost us - loyalists will tell you they benefit the nation. Personally, I suspect that the net gain is higher, but it's a quagmire of of ancient laws, rights and trades plus harder to quantify things like Tourism.

Personally, I kinda like the Monarchy. I think it's one of the things that makes Britain the way it is, and I'd be sad to see it go.

Not, however, that sad if I saw some increase to my bank account.

But let's face it - if the entire Royal Family sank during a yachting event, the only people to see more money would be the politicians. As per usual.


It'd be perfectly feasible to have all the pageantry, bells and whistles etc without an actual royal family. Possibly foreign visitors might feel a bit cheated if they came over to find there wasn't a living, breathing monarch behind it all, possibly not. Plus, vast swathes of the UK do very well out of tourism despite having no royal connection at all.

Very few people believe in the divine right of kings any more (one of those people is likely to be the present heir to the throne, which makes me dread the Chuckopolypse somewhat), so one figurehead is as good as another. Get Victoria Pendleton up in some glittery togs and have her roam around the country smiling and waving at people for a couple of hundred k a year and everybody'd be pretty happy, I reckon. Monarchy's relatively harmless until people (especially the monarch) start really believing in it.


As of July, 2013, our last five prime-ministers in the UK have been Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron. Given what some of them (and their close associates) have gotten up to, I'm in no hurry to see political parties (the principle beneficiaries of any election system) given any more prominence and power.

Edit:
In other words, I do not think British life would be improved by having an elected head of state (well not improved except for politicians).
It may work in other countries and cultures, but I am regretfully cynical as to its ability to work here.


Oh yes, and Smurf!


meatrace wrote:
Yeah cuz it worked out so well for Naboo.

Hey, blame Lucas for that. Elective Monarchy has actually worked several times in history, such as the case of the Venetian Doge (and that thing lasted for over 1,000 years) or the Capetians of France, which came to power through election (later it became an Hereditary Monarchy, though).

Then again, they didn't have walkways with spinning laser blades. Seriously. It's like Bowser designed Naboo.


But damn if it isn't pretty to look at.


That is pretty Smurfy.


Limey, who is Victoria Pendleton? And is she hawt?


Nevermind.

Long live Queen Victoria!!!


The Musical (Cover) Interlude


A Poem for the Royal Baby

by MICHAEL DICKINSON

Spoiler:

The guns sound out in salute, the bells ring out in the air,
The royal Duchess of Cambridge has given birth to an heir!
Prince William and Kate are overjoyed and blissfully happy
They have their longed-for offspring – in a clean white nappy!

Welcome to the world baby boy, as at your mother’s breast you feed
You’ve been born into wealth and privilege, and will never encounter need.
Third in line to the British throne, weighing 8 pounds and 6 ounces,
Delivered July 22 at 4.24 pm, the breathless Press announces.

“The birth of a Prince, our future monarch!” the tabloid headlines scream
While in blissful ignorance you close your eyes and dream.
You have nothing to disturb you, your future has been planned
You’re one of the House of Windsor, the rulers of the land.

One day of 16 countries you’ll become Head of State,
Including Australia and Canada and Britain the Great.
The Head of the Commonwealth, of the Church, Governor Supreme.
But that’s all in the future, the pomp, honour and esteem.

Right now you’re just a baby, you know nothing of the world,
Only your mother’s closeness as at her breast you lie curled.
You have yet to learn of money and the power of the rich
For you life’ll be a bowl of cherries, for others it’s a b~#*~.

Although from a family neither aristocratic nor royal,
Your mummy too has never known hardship or toil.
Of upper middle class background, free from pecuniary cares
Her parents, ex flight staff Mike and Carole, are multi-millionaires.

You’ll get to see them often, but all of that’s to come.
And you’ll get to know Aunt Pippa, famous for her bum.
Not to mention Kate’s Uncle Gary and his Maison de Bang Bang.
(Maybe parties there in future with your elite little gang?)

Mum passes you to Prince William, who holds you gently in his hands
- Your Daddy who’s worth 40 million in investments, inheritance and lands.
As well as a Prince, he’s a Baron, Earl and Duke,
He pats you on your back as you have a quiet puke.

Yeah, forget the Middletons. The Windsors is the family that counts
For bringing in money and power in large amounts.
You’ve only been out of the womb a few hours since
And already you’ve been made of Cambridge the Prince!

You’ve already beat your Uncle Harry in line to the throne,
Just three deaths to come before it’s your own.
But playboy Harry need shed no tear,
He already makes 25 million a year.

Before your daddy, there’ll be funny Grandad Charlie as King
Crowned in Westminster Abbey with all that pomp and bling.
He’s been destined to be monarch from the moment of his birth.
And if daddy’s makes 40 million – what’s grandaddy worth?

With a property of 300 million pounds, he’s certainly a man of means,
But as he says: “So much I do is done behind the scenes.”
It’s rumored he’s the head of a rich organization called Foundation X,
Funded by banks, market manipulation and government lending excess.

He’s also said to have had an influence on many a government minister
With his secret ‘black spider memos’ giving advice in writing sinister.
On a different matter, another dark secret as yet to unravel
Is Prince Charles’ close friendship with paedo rapist Jimmy Saville.

By the way, that’s not your real grandma, the blonde woman by his side
Her name’s Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, and she’s his second bride.
Your real grandma was Princess Diana, killed in a car crash in France.
Some say that the accident was planned and not just matter of chance.

But, ah! Here’s your great grandma! Her Highness Elizabeth, the ruler
She’s worth 44 billion. Could anything be cooler?
She’s the pinnacle of the Constitution,
Her face on every banknote – a living institution!

Judges, police and armed forces pledge allegiance to the Crown.
She’s the apex of aristocracy, of wealth and renown.
She has say when to begin and end wars
And one day my boy this power will be yours!

But what of the people you’re eventually to rule?
You should know about them to not look a fool.
Your birth is an important moment in the life of our nation
What about the people, and what’s their situation?

Well, while your pampered royal family sit cozy on their butts
The people of Britain suffer vicious drastic cuts
Benefits stopped, services scrapped, a state of dire recession
While the fawning Press focus adoring eyes on the third in line to succession.

Thousands sleep homeless on the street
Children don’t have enough to eat
Prices rise, wages go down
A smile is rarer than a frown.

Things are so bad for many that they’re almost unendurable
And yet don’t forget that they’re far from incurable.
All of this misery and want could be easily erased
With just half the money the Royals have saved.

Against this unfairness there’s only one solution
The people must unite and have a revolution.
So, New Born Royal Baby, I pray your first words be -
Loud and clear now, let me hear – “Abolish the Monarchy!”

Vive le Galt!

(Although I still like the Queen Victoria idea.)


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I vote for Lemmy Kilmister, you bastards.


Very few of us would be worthy enough to be King Lemmy's subjects.


Killed by death!


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
I vote for Lemmy Kilmister, you bastards.

If I had to vote for anything to replace the present Royal Family, I'd go for half a rhinocerous, but Lemmy would make a very acceptable substitute.

As for Queen Victoria II, that's a different matter. Commoners voting for someone who's already been anointed as monarch by Mighty Thor would be an insult to her semi-divine majesty.

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