Sure, you can have the studs made out of mithral. But it won't do anything for the armor, as the armor is leather.
From the Darkleaf Cloth special material:
Items
not primarily constructed of leather, fur, or hide are not
meaningfully affected by being partially made of darkleaf
cloth. As such, padded armor, leather armor, studded leather
armor, and hide armor can be made out of darkleaf cloth
The metal is mostly inconsequential, and just helps guide the blows away. It is not the primary source of protection.
The answer is no. You can't make mithral versions of armor that is not primarily metal. You can't make mithral leather armor any more than you can make mithral hide.
The flip side of that is -- if studded leather isn't metal armor, why can't druids wear it?
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The answer is no. You can't make mithral versions of armor that is not primarily metal. You can't make mithral leather armor any more than you can make mithral hide.The flip side of that is -- if studded leather isn't metal armor, why can't druids wear it?
because druids can't wear ANY metal...studded leather has SOME in it, just not enough that mithral studs would do anything for you.
because druids can't wear ANY metal...studded leather has SOME in it, just not enough that mithral studs would do anything for you.
Except, of course, that they can. Rings, necklaces, amulets, bracers, bandoleers of ammunition. For that matter, they can also wear leather armor without having to worry about whether the leather was held together by rivets -- as, historically, the vast majority of it was. Rivets are so much stronger than stitching it's not even funny, which of course is why Levi Strauss used rivets in his blue jeans.
The answer is no. You can't make mithral versions of armor that is not primarily metal. You can't make mithral leather armor any more than you can make mithral hide.
The other thing is that studdded leather is LIGHT armor. You can't get a faster category of armor than Light. There isn't "Ultra Light". Unless you're playing a character with a strength of 3, halving the weight of studded leather isn't going to have any impact.
You are of course correct about it not being possible within the rules.
However I feel I should point out that reduced speed penalty and lighter weight are only two of the benefits of mithral armor. Higher Max dex bonus and reduced arcane spell failure are both desirable benefits as well.
- Torger
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Druids cannot wear studded leather because it is leather armour with enough metal to effect the armour and count as wearing metal for the purposes of spells, making it better then leather, but making druids not be able to wear it. If you give it mithral studs, there is no meaningful change other then cool mithral studded leather.
Do people realize that "studded leather" is a pure fabrication, and never existed? It's origin is probably a corrupted understanding of the brigandine armor, which had metal plates sewn between layers of leather using metal "studs", giving the appearance of "studded leather".
Since there is no official brigandine armor, assume studded leather is the same (just with a different name), then using mithril for the metal plates makes sense. That would reduce the weight of the armor, and improve its hardness/HP. I don't think it would really grant you all the benefits of using mithril(dex bonus, ACP reduction). Likewise, replacing the leather components with darkleaf would have a similar limitation. IMO, you would need to use both mithril and darkleaf together (say half cost for each for simplicity) to get the full bonus. I think the math works out the same in either case.
because druids can't wear ANY metal...studded leather has SOME in it, just not enough that mithral studs would do anything for you.
Except, of course, that they can. Rings, necklaces, amulets, bracers, bandoleers of ammunition. For that matter, they can also wear leather armor without having to worry about whether the leather was held together by rivets -- as, historically, the vast majority of it was. Rivets are so much stronger than stitching it's not even funny, which of course is why Levi Strauss used rivets in his blue jeans.
Druids are kinda screwed up this way. I can't figure out why they can't wear metal armor, considering that the metal comes out of the ground and is a completely natural substance.
Another of those silly arbitrary things, I suppose. I generally houserule this out.
In legends and folklore, there has been some distinction made between raw ore (which is natural as you say) and worked metal (considered unnatural).
Thats probably part of the reasoning.
The specific vows (by the game rules) that Druids take prohibit metal ARMOR and SHIELDS. Nothing less, nothing more.
because druids can't wear ANY metal...studded leather has SOME in it, just not enough that mithral studs would do anything for you.
Except, of course, that they can. Rings, necklaces, amulets, bracers, bandoleers of ammunition. For that matter, they can also wear leather armor without having to worry about whether the leather was held together by rivets -- as, historically, the vast majority of it was. Rivets are so much stronger than stitching it's not even funny, which of course is why Levi Strauss used rivets in his blue jeans.
Which is how I base my ruling on this subject. IF it's metal armor so that a druid can't wear it then it is metal armor for mythril. IF it is not metal armor for a druid then it is not metal armor for mythril.
metal == metal
not metal == not metal
In legends and folklore, there has been some distinction made between raw ore (which is natural as you say) and worked metal (considered unnatural).
Thats probably part of the reasoning.
That makes no sense. Yeah, you work metal before you use it, but you also treat animal hides to make the non-metallic armor. Why doesn't treating the animal skins make that 'unnatural'?
(Never mind the fact that anything that occurs within the closed system of a universe is, by definition, natural.)
Do people realize that "studded leather" is a pure fabrication, and never existed?
So are most of the classes and 99 percent of the bestiary, all the magic items and all the spells ... what's your point?
Do people realize that "studded leather" is a pure fabrication, and never existed? It's origin is probably a corrupted understanding of the brigandine armor, which had metal plates sewn between layers of leather using metal "studs", giving the appearance of "studded leather".
Since there is no official brigandine armor, assume studded leather is the same (just with a different name), then using mithril for the metal plates makes sense. That would reduce the weight of the armor, and improve its hardness/HP. I don't think it would really grant you all the benefits of using mithril(dex bonus, ACP reduction). Likewise, replacing the leather components with darkleaf would have a similar limitation. IMO, you would need to use both mithril and darkleaf together (say half cost for each for simplicity) to get the full bonus. I think the math works out the same in either case.
There sort of is a brigandine armor. It's Kikko armor from Ultimate Combat and is pretty much what brigandine armor was, aside from having a different name.
The specific vows (by the game rules) that Druids take prohibit metal ARMOR and SHIELDS. Nothing less, nothing more.
because druids can't wear ANY metal...studded leather has SOME in it, just not enough that mithral studs would do anything for you.
Except, of course, that they can. Rings, necklaces, amulets, bracers, bandoleers of ammunition. For that matter, they can also wear leather armor without having to worry about whether the leather was held together by rivets -- as, historically, the vast majority of it was. Rivets are so much stronger than stitching it's not even funny, which of course is why Levi Strauss used rivets in his blue jeans.
Which is how I base my ruling on this subject. IF it's metal armor so that a druid can't wear it then it is metal armor for mythril. IF it is not metal armor for a druid then it is not metal armor for mythril.
metal == metal
not metal == not metal
True but studded leather is one of those in betweens types armor.
How bout this. A character has taken a vow to their deity not to drink alcohol. Can taht character drink a glass of water with a tablespoon of alcohol in it? Drunks and maybe even children wouldnt even be able to taste or recieve any types of effects from it, but since its mainly a glass of water wiyh only a tiny bit of alcohol, has that character broken his vow?Its one of those iffy types armors. Yes its mainly leather material for their AC with only a little bit being metal adding to their AC, but its that little bit that voids it.
But of it makes it easier for ur games, by all means go that route :)
Im gonna have to go with the guy a little bit above stating to get the full affect, they would have to add the leaf to it as well.