Enlarge and Reduce Person when considering Bows


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Ughbash wrote:
Gauss wrote:

Ughbash, Enlarge Person being a full round spell does not change my statement.

Hell, if you want to take matters into your own hands, free action to drop, swift action to get out your potion from the springloaded wrist sheathe, standard action to drink potion of Enlarge Person, move action to pick arrows up.

I actually prefer prehensile tail and swift drinker for that :)

Enlarge yourself and attack (ideally with two handed reach weapon) in the same round.

I was pointing out with the actions you were using, you would have to pick up the bow on the next round as a move action so you would not get a full attack on the second round.

Hmmm, I thought you were saying it would take extra actions because enlarge is a full-round spell. It wouldn't take more than the free (to drop) and move (to pick up).

Wizard starts casting enlarge person.
Archer shoots normally and drops arrows afterwards.
Wizard finishes casting an then does whatever.
Archer picks up arrows and fires once.

There are other options (such as readied actions).

Regardless, the enlarge person being a full-round spell does not cause the archer to burn any extra actions beyond the free and move action.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

I believe that the whole issue is an editing snafu, but as far as it goes the whole situation is not unique. The upgrade in the class structure from 3.5 didn't make it to the PrC's and they suffer as a result, for example. (Archtypes have taken over in this respect)

I was involved in a thread that was nit picking the size rules because of a re-worded Thunder and Fang feat, having munchkins wanting to double wield Earth Breakers or wields a large one.

I think Paizo keeps it like this because it is what is most detremental to the character using ranged attacks with these spells, keeping the use to Melee characters as far as damage is concerned for Enlarged folk. It is funny, though, that a thrown Dagger will do an uptick in(Normal) damage when reduced but a bow will not.


Jason Bulmahn, 01/04/2011 wrote:

This is an area where it is clearly a bit all over the place. The rules were changed in one spot, but missed in another. I am going to go back into this the next time we reprint and tweak it. I think Reduce Person will probably get the same clause, making it not quite as bad versus ranged weapon users.

Thanks for the catch, I will look into it.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

For gods' sake, in the second post of this thread, I linked to the lead designer of PF outright stating there was a mistake in how the size rules with weapons were handled, and yet droves of people STILL clamor in here to state that it was intended all along for some reason or another. Just....argh!

/rage quits

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

I did see that.

Still think that the overall set up syncs up to re-enforce melee fighting with enlarged, even if it wasn't on purpose.

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