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They don't want the Book of Pathfinder Erotic Fantasy.

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Rite Publishing wrote:
They don't want the Book of Pathfinder Erotic Fantasy.

AKA Calistria's Illustrated Holy Canon.

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Kthulhu wrote:
Liz Courts wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
A supplement/adventure that is Cert 15 rather than PG?
The Pathfinder Compatibility License that third-party publishers must operate under a "no adult content" clause, so this line has to be tread very, very carefully.
Yeah. For example, Frog God Game's "The Black Mansion" has a censor bar in the Pathfinder version on one of the pictures. The S&W version lets it all hang out.

Actually, it's The Black Monastery

:-)

Liberty's Edge

Starfinder Superscriber

Paizo and Pathfinder live in the cultural context of early-21st-century USA, not the Renaissance. As such, if they want to be perceived as "kid friendly" in that context, they have to abide by certain restrictions that I suspect even many of the people at Paizo think might be a bit silly.

The good news is: early-21st-century USA culture is very accepting of depictions of ALL KINDS of gory violence, so we can act in an unrestrained manner with respect to that! \o/

Shadow Lodge

I knew I was screwing up the name somehow. But I was too lazy to look at how.


I tend to pick over #3pp offerings and cull them for what I want. I then print out the (often reworked) remnants to go into a looseleaf, D ring binder. I wish I could put my copy of Ultimate Toolbox in one, but really would prefer a electronic copy I could 'correct'.

Current binders include:
1) House Rules
2) Almanac-misnamed, Its more the character's generic knowledge of the world.


Rite Publishing wrote:
They don't want the Book of Pathfinder Erotic Fantasy.

If Opal Carew wrote it, that may actually sell. Though I imagine there won't be a lot of crunch and die-rolling in it.


Rite Publishing wrote:
They don't want the Book of Pathfinder Erotic Fantasy.

nooooooooooooo! Do you have any idea what that book put me through! One DM thought it would be fun to incorporate the spells from it into his npcs...my fighter was repeatedly violated in quite a literal sense. The worst one was a Druid, oh how i hated the spell Irrational Attraction!

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Orfamay Quest wrote:

Quality control. The Paizo game designers are good, among the best in the business. I'm willing to pay for their expertise in spotting the subtly game breaking, and simply taking out the trash.

Because, basically, 90% of 3PP material is crap. I have higher expectations for Paizo because they've earned it over a period of years. I have very little expectations of a company I've never heard of.

NO !

NO, NO, AND NO !

I can't agree with that, especially with the so many great 3rd party products I have seen so far.

Of course, not everything is great. You have to make your own selection.

Shadow Lodge

We understand where a lot of these beliefs come from, and that is a lot of the awful (offal?) material from the early d20 days. I think that there are a number of great 3PPs out there today, Paizo included...

For instance, did you know that two of TPK's writers are contributors to Ultimate Combat, and Tom Phillips is also the author of the upcoming Pathfinder Scenario: The Hellknight's Feast?

If you like dark fantasy and healthy amounts of danger, keep your eyes peeled for our upcoming adventure, The Reaping Stone.

Liberty's Edge

Stereofm wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:

Quality control. The Paizo game designers are good, among the best in the business. I'm willing to pay for their expertise in spotting the subtly game breaking, and simply taking out the trash.

Because, basically, 90% of 3PP material is crap. I have higher expectations for Paizo because they've earned it over a period of years. I have very little expectations of a company I've never heard of.

NO !

NO, NO, AND NO !

I can't agree with that, especially with the so many great 3rd party products I have seen so far.

Of course, not everything is great. You have to make your own selection.

Heh ... I suspect the fact that Orfamay Quest has not ventured back to this thread (or, at least, has not posted again) is because he/she regrets having made that comment :)


Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.


RJGrady wrote:
Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.

*scratches "The Pathfinder Book of Nipples" off of his to-do list*


RJGrady wrote:
Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.

That's a do as I say, not as I do thing. Just like we cannot reference page #s in books but Paizo can.

Liberty's Edge

My understanding is that you should stick to PG or at best PG-13 content which could contain a small bit of non gratuitous nudity ...


Just as an aside how would you reference say a stat block from the npc codex?


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Rite Publishing wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.
That's a do as I say, not as I do thing. Just like we cannot reference page #s in books but Paizo can.

I've never seen anything in a Paizo product I would consider "adult content."

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thenovalord wrote:
Just as an aside how would you reference say a stat block from the npc codex?

You can reference the NPC by name and chapter, such as "See the Acid Terror stat block from the Prestige Classes section of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game NPC Codex". I believe it would have to be pretty much in that exact format, since the NPC codex doesn't have chapter numbers, per se.

If you wanted to reference the stat block for an Iconic NPC from that book, it would probably have to be something like "See the 12th-level stat block for the Iconic Druid from the Iconic NPCs section of the Pathfinder RPG NPC Codex", since you can't use their names, as those are Paizo IP.

If I was using such a stat block in one of my own PDFs, I would also link to the stat block on the d20pfsrd.com (or I suppose the Paizo PRD, but I prefer to support the SRD).

Scarab Sages

I have to say I regularly pick up 3pp offerings. I have even backed a number of 3pp kickstarter's too.
I've even run 3pp AP's which (for at least the ones I've run) have been massively fun for me and my players. (Points to Fire Mountain Game's Way of the Wicked, and FGG's Slumbering Tsar.)

At my game while my players stick to Paizo classes/races/feats (etc) if they were to ask me to use something from a 3pp I'd not rule it out just because it wasn't Paizo's. (I might rule it out if it doesn't fit with the game, or is over powered, but I have ruled Paizo material out for the same reason)

3pp publishers are often able to do things that Paizo does not want to do (eg evil campaign or 900+ page mega AP's for example), and I thank 3pp for doing this. In my opinion it adds to my gaming experience in a good way.


RJGrady wrote:
Rite Publishing wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.
That's a do as I say, not as I do thing. Just like we cannot reference page #s in books but Paizo can.
I've never seen anything in a Paizo product I would consider "adult content."

There's a few decapitations (like on the cover of Champions of Purity, for instance).


RJGrady wrote:
Rite Publishing wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.
That's a do as I say, not as I do thing. Just like we cannot reference page #s in books but Paizo can.
I've never seen anything in a Paizo product I would consider "adult content."

Pathfinder Chronicles: Classic Monsters Revisited, The section on ogres. which can be described as demented hillbilly rapists. Including Parental Incest, Hot Skitty-on-Wailord Action, and a racial fondness for hooks as a preferred melee weapon.

Shadow Lodge

And of course, the AP volume that that entry is based upon, Hook Mountain Massacre.


RJGrady wrote:
Rite Publishing wrote:
RJGrady wrote:
Considering the amount of nudity in official Paizo products, I always took "adult content" to mean sex acts, explicit genitalia, or purely gratuitous displays of nipples.
That's a do as I say, not as I do thing. Just like we cannot reference page #s in books but Paizo can.
I've never seen anything in a Paizo product I would consider "adult content."

Have you read the Hook Mountain Massacre?


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Bwang wrote:
Ultimate Toolbox

That was a fun book to write. I miss those days.

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