Faction change due to loss of lodge

[Shfish]

Ok, what stuff are we allowed to keep form our old faction? I did some searching but can't find my answer...I know I saw we could keep some but not all of our prestige awards.

[YogoZuno]

Normally, if you switch factions, from p19 of the Organised Play Guide

Quote:

You retain your faction traits, if any, but

lose any faction-specific Prestige Awards you have
accumulated during your time with your old faction;
generic Prestige Awards from Table 5–4 and Vanities
(Pathfinder Society Field Guide 60) are unaffected.

These rules are potentially slightly altered by Certs from specific modules, but are spelt out on said Certs. Presumably, the upcoming updated Organised Play Guide may also contain some new information on this specific circumstance.

[graywulfe]

Actually for those of us with characters in Lantern Lodge and Shadow Lodge , we will retain any titles and prestige awards we have gained. We will not have access to any prestige awards we have not gained by the time our Factions are retired.

[Shfish]

I thought there was one you didn't get...

[SCPRedMage]

Shfish wrote:

I thought there was one you didn't get...

To my knowledge, that would be the No One Left Behind Shadow Lodge prestige award, which shouldn't have been a question, seeing as it only does something AS you buy it; specifically, it's a cheaper body-recovering option (3 PP instead of 5 PP). So... yeah, you don't exactly "keep" it after you buy it now...

[FanaticRat]

So, random question, do SL and LL factions members change immediately after doing their retirement scenarios, or not until the actual faction goes kaput. If so, do we still have to pay for it, because

Spoiler:

My Shadow Lodge character just did Rivalry's End, and needless to say she is very infuriated with SL and wishes to change factions immediately.

[Iammars]

FanaticRat:

Spoiler:

The boon gives you one free faction change that you can use at any time until August 14, when you have to use it. So, if you want to switch right away, you can. You won't get the +1 to an ability score until you switch though.

[Jack-of-Blades]

graywulfe wrote:

Actually for those of us with characters in Lantern Lodge and Shadow Lodge , we will retain any titles and prestige awards we have gained. We will not have access to any prestige awards we have not gained by the time our Factions are retired.

Organized Play Guide wrote:

You retain your faction traits, if any, but

lose any faction-specific Prestige Awards you have
accumulated during your time with your old faction;
generic Prestige Awards from Table 5–4 and Vanities
(Pathfinder Society Field Guide 60) are unaffected.

As YogoZuno pointed out, you lose any faction-specific prestige awards, including titles, unless you have a chronicle sheet or boon that states otherwise.

Spoiler:

Such as those gained from Way of the Kirin (Lantern Lodge), and Rivalry's End (Shadow Lodge)

[graywulfe]

Per Mike and John, No I don't have a link, elsewhere on the board, For Retiring Factions the rules are different.

[Jack-of-Blades]

graywulfe wrote:

Per Mike and John, No I don't have a link, elsewhere on the board, For Retiring Factions the rules are different.

If you can find the link, please do, as I haven't personally seen any clarifications that state otherwise and I'd like to make sure I'm not misinforming my players as to how the removal of factions is going to work.

I was under the impression that the main reason the end-of-faction scenarios had the boons they had was so that people could retain the nice things they'd gotten from those factions, thus making those scenarios worth playing for reasons beyond just the secondary benefit of those boons.

[FanaticRat]

Ah, that's good then. I'm going to switch over to Silver Crusade immediately, then.

[Jack-of-Blades]

Jack-of-Blades wrote:

... thus making those scenarios worth playing for reasons beyond just the secondary benefit of those boons.

Other than the fact that they're both a whole lot of fun, that is. :)

[Jocard The Fist]

Here is the link to the prestige awards clarification.

Changes Are A'Coming and Gen Con Volunteers Still Needed! wrote:

Characters will be able to keep faction-specific traits, boons, vanities, and prestige awards received while members of the Lantern Lodge and Shadow Lodge, with one exception. The "no one left behind" prestige award found in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide will no longer be available for play.

[graywulfe]

Thank you Jocard. My search-fu was weak last night.

[LazarX]

You can register the free change whenever you want to as long it's before August 14th. That way if you want to get in some older modules as your old faction before then, you can.

[N N 959]

So I'm still confused:

1. If I switch from SL or LL without any boon after the faction is retired do I start over at 0 Fame in the new faction?

2. Same as #1, but I have completed the faction ending mission?

3. Same as #3, but I switch over before the faction is retired?

[LazarX]

For all of the above....

You keep your fame and PP from the old faction transferred to the new one.

(It probably won't reflect this on your character registry right away.)

[Sior]

If you don't play either retirement scenario, you get the free change any time before August 14th, keeping all your prestige rewards and faction-specific boons and the like.

If you play Way of the Kirin, you get a bonus for being Lantern Lodge once you switch over to another faction. So yes, you can still play Lantern Lodge till August 14th, but you will not get the little bonus until you switch (as is specified on the Chronicle Sheet).

Here's where it's squiffy:
If you play Rivalry's End as a Shadow Lodge character, it looks as if you must change your faction right then and there since the GM must sign off on both your faction-specific reward and your new faction. This surprised some players who thought they had time to think it over. I don't think I can say more regarding it.
That's my interpretation on it, as well as some other GMs'.

Oh, by the by, the faction-specific boons from Way of the Kirin and Rivalry's End DO NOT stack. You can have one or the other. So no playing WotK as Lantern Lodge, switching to Shadow Lodge for RE, and reaping all the rewards. (I think it was also said by the powers that be that you get ONE free switch. If you switch from Lantern Lodge to Shadow Lodge for free, you have to pay to switch from Shadow Lodge, and vice versa. Wish I could find a link to that...)

[Sparky Spain]

LazarX wrote:

You can register the free change whenever you want to as long it's before August 14th. That way if you want to get in some older modules as your old faction before then, you can.

How do you "officially" register the free change?

[Starglim]

Sparky Spain wrote:

LazarX wrote:

You can register the free change whenever you want to as long it's before August 14th. That way if you want to get in some older modules as your old faction before then, you can.

How do you "officially" register the free change?

As with other things that are (normally) acquired with PP, note it in the Items Bought/Conditions Cleared area on the chronicle sheet.

The organiser reports the current session with the faction in which the player completed the scenario, then the next session with his new faction.

[Kyrie Ebonblade]

FanaticRat wrote:

So, random question, do SL and LL factions members change immediately after doing their retirement scenarios, or not until the actual faction goes kaput. If so, do we still have to pay for it, because

** spoiler omitted **

Same here.. Kyrie is very angry.. as can be seen in the In Character threads under the Faction Expo thread. :D