A bit desperate to call me a hypocrite aren't you?
I have complied with their requests to tone it down. Check back up. Or did you miss it? I've gone on to other threads and other topics now, just stopping in to reply to some posts and chat to mr magnuskn up there.
My use of the ignore function only applies to what I see. I am not at all messing with what you see. The wonderful power of scripts and applications. The future!
I've got my message and points out, the thread was finally not locked. Good all round. I'm happy. Aren't you? Should I have never said a word of criticism?
Ah well, you don't always get what you want man.
Gorb, I asked you to stop using my name, much like I asked you to stop making jokes about my dead parents to try and get a rile out of me. You didn't comply with both those requests.
So, do you feel that one should be able to do or say pretty much anything you like on a company's message board, with no moderation whatsoever?
Also, can we call you T Wilson?
We all ignore insults on forums every day that we post (and nobody dies). I am just doing it more effectively with the aid of technology. Those transhumanists may be on to something!
I prefer Loyalist or Royalist, lol.
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Unfortunately as much as I like the company and the people that work here, I also find the board to be of little value. They are fun to come check out for a bit, but in my experience anyone looking for real information has to go elsewhere. From experience, it seems most post go like this.
OP: Hi all, I want to create a pet bird for my monk, Anyone know where I can find a stat block for a owl?
P1: If you want a pet go ranger
p2 A monkey would be better for a monk
p3: You could take one level in synthesist and become a bird
p4: Moneys can use quarterstaves
p5: Why would you want a pet for your monk, they don't add anything to flurry, and monks suck.
TOZ:monkey brains are good with ketchup
p6 ask you DM for a fiendish velocoraptor. If he doesn't give it it you create a synthisist/alchemist and create one yourself.
p7 if you think monks suck, it because you aren't using the right archetype...
p8 I like ketchup
p9 Mustard!!!
p10 About monks and flurry of blows being broken...
etc...etc...etc...
Somewhere on page 5 someone will link to a animal stat collection, but by that time the OP has stopped looking at the thread.
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When they banned someone, did they send them the message "YOU DIED"?
Ironically, no. We tended to explain why they were banned. Occasionally, if it was a repeat offender, we'd add a gif of Bannon, the Ban Crab. I have no idea where he came from
More like the "Hurrdurr, if I'd be a mod, I'd ban everyone" kind of crowd.The one kind of people I dislike more than actual trolls are netcops. :-/Hands in the air, keyboard criminal!
Everyone would be silly. The way we did things was an infraction system - if you hit certain point thresholds, you would be temp banned for a certain length of time. If someone was banned we would discuss there behaviour, and if they were a repeat offender or had broken the rules in a particularly vile way such as posting child porn, which happened once, but mostly especially nasty racial slurs and insults it would be switched to a temp ban.
It was certainly harsher than the Paizo system - we gave infractions for ignoring moderator instructions, spam, direct insults to other members and the like - but it kept things ticking over relatively smoothly most of the time.
Honestly, I always felt bad when I banned someone. It's not a nice feeling, especially as a lot of the people were both intelligent and insightful. They also tended to be rude or malicious.
Also, I mostly grunt when modding. No hurrs nor durrs, alas.
Even IP bans can be gotten around, I'm afraid. Although it's usually pretty easy to spot a proxy IP.
On the forum where I was a moderator, for particularly bad repeat offenders (who kept coming back after multiple warnings, bans/IP-bans, etc), the site owner would eventually appeal directly to the person's ISP. That was definitely a last resort, though.
Unfortunately as much as I like the company and the people that work here, I also find the board to be of little value. They are fun to come check out for a bit, but in my experience anyone looking for real information has to go elsewhere. From experience, it seems most post go like this.
OP: Hi all, I want to create a pet bird for my monk, Anyone know where I can find a stat block for a owl?
P1: If you want a pet go ranger
p2 A monkey would be better for a monk
p3: You could take one level in synthesist and become a bird
p4: Moneys can use quarterstaves
p5: Why would you want a pet for your monk, they don't add anything to flurry, and monks suck.
TOZ:monkey brains are good with ketchup
p6 ask you DM for a fiendish velocoraptor. If he doesn't give it it you create a synthisist/alchemist and create one yourself.
p7 if you think monks suck, it because you aren't using the right archetype...
p8 I like ketchup
p9 Mustard!!!
p10 About monks and flurry of blows being broken...
etc...etc...etc...Somewhere on page 5 someone will link to a animal stat collection, but by that time the OP has stopped looking at the thread.
:D
Love it.
PostMonster General
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I've actually been pondering a far more strict moderation policy for threads in the advice forum. The idea would be "only post if you are actually answering the original question—off-topic responses will be removed."
It would require far more moderation for that forum than we've been doing so far, but it's basically what I think how that forum should be used. If you want to discuss other random things we have lots of other places here to do that.
I also have an idea for solving thread derail trainwrecks that doesn't involve locking the thread, but I need to refine the concept a bit, and it'll require new code.
I've actually been pondering a far more strict moderation policy for threads in the advice forum. The idea would be "only post if you are actually answering the original question—off-topic responses will be removed."
It would require far more moderation for that forum than we've been doing so far, but it's basically what I think how that forum should be used. If you want to discuss other random things we have lots of other places here to do that.
I also have an idea for solving thread derail trainwrecks that doesn't involve locking the thread, but I need to refine the concept a bit, and it'll require new code.
Cool I usually only look at the first page of responses, once it goes over 50 posts it usually indicates the discussion has deteriorated into something less than productive.
Unfortunately as much as I like the company and the people that work here, I also find the board to be of little value. They are fun to come check out for a bit, but in my experience anyone looking for real information has to go elsewhere. From experience, it seems most post go like this.
OP: Hi all, I want to create a pet bird for my monk, Anyone know where I can find a stat block for a owl?
P1: If you want a pet go ranger
p2 A monkey would be better for a monk
p3: You could take one level in synthesist and become a bird
p4: Moneys can use quarterstaves
p5: Why would you want a pet for your monk, they don't add anything to flurry, and monks suck.
TOZ:monkey brains are good with ketchup
p6 ask you DM for a fiendish velocoraptor. If he doesn't give it it you create a synthisist/alchemist and create one yourself.
p7 if you think monks suck, it because you aren't using the right archetype...
p8 I like ketchup
p9 Mustard!!!
p10 About monks and flurry of blows being broken...
etc...etc...etc...Somewhere on page 5 someone will link to a animal stat collection, but by that time the OP has stopped looking at the thread.
Methinks you are spending too much time in the wrong subforums.
I see creative contributions that astonish me more often than not. But I tend to stick to the houserules forum and the forums of APs that I know.
I respond to a lot of threads that solicit GM advice, or players who solicit group dynamic advice. Although I post basically the same thing every time in those threads, I think most people who answer are very constructive.
When someone asks a basic reference rule as you've alluded to, well... they should be able to look that stuff up. So most of the time the second or third poster does put a link in. But let's be honest, it's rare that a thread's premise is so clear cut.
But it definitely isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Especially not if you steer clear of threads that start with rants, or threads that actually ask difficult questions that not even the developers can answer off the tops of their heads.
And anything about alignment, monks, or class balance disparities.
Which, admittedly, seems like half the threads, but really they're just buoyant on the main page because of a few high-frequency posters.
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I've actually been pondering a far more strict moderation policy for threads in the advice forum. The idea would be "only post if you are actually answering the original question—off-topic responses will be removed."
It would require far more moderation for that forum than we've been doing so far, but it's basically what I think how that forum should be used. If you want to discuss other random things we have lots of other places here to do that.
I also have an idea for solving thread derail trainwrecks that doesn't involve locking the thread, but I need to refine the concept a bit, and it'll require new code.
Personally, I think your moderation style is really, really good. From where I sit, tweaking it too much would be disappointing (although maybe what you're talking about would make modding easier, which would be a good thing). If I need a question answered, it takes less than ten replies generally - I don't think subsequent tangential discussion is a bad thing. The social element is part of the attraction of the forum, to me.
Actually, I would agree on some kind of indicator to let readers know a thread has been locked would be appreciated. Of course, not having much knowledge in creating forums, I don't know how much effort implementing something like that would take.
If I recall correctly it has been mentioned in the past that the admins don't wish to draw attention to locked threads by making it easy to identify them. I agree that doing this would seem to answer the complaint of most people who get irritated by threads being locked before they are able to contribute... OP included.
One thing you can do champs, is take note of the names of the mods, and then look at which was the last poster, which you can see before you enter. If a mod is the last poster, high chance they killed it.
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One thing you can do champs, is take note of the names of the mods, and then look at which was the last poster, which you can see before you enter. If a mod is the last poster, high chance they killed it.How do you know that? Do you have statistics on the correlation between the final mod posting in a thread and the one who locked it? What statistical tests have you done to make sure that your "high chance" is statistically significant? And, more to the point, how did you collect your data on who locked which threads, when it isn't even displayed in the forum?
Generally, they make a post saying "I'm locking this thread for the following reason.....*".
If there's a relatively old thread with a paizo employee as the last poster, there's a good chance it's a post like that. (The power of celebrity and all that).
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Also, I mostly grunt when modding. No hurrs nor durrs, alas.
I think yelling "Yaaarrrrr!!!" when banning someone would be the most satisfying.
But seriously, at least to me it really sounds bad when you pound your chest how much stricter you would be as a mod. Gives me the willies.
One thing you can do champs, is take note of the names of the mods, and then look at which was the last poster, which you can see before you enter. If a mod is the last poster, high chance they killed it.How do you know that? Do you have statistics on the correlation between the final mod posting in a thread and the one who locked it? What statistical tests have you done to make sure that your "high chance" is statistically significant? And, more to the point, how did you collect your data on who locked which threads, when it isn't even displayed in the forum?
I checked it. Kmal told me about it, as a way to find locked threads. So I checked his suggestion, and it turned out to be correct. I am trying to help the above two posters, is there a problem?
Also, I mostly grunt when modding. No hurrs nor durrs, alas.I think yelling "Yaaarrrrr!!!" when banning someone would be the most satisfying.
But seriously, at least to me it really sounds bad when you pound your chest how much stricter you would be as a mod. Gives me the willies.
How much stricter I was. If I worked for Paizo, I'd work within there framework and rules. I would prefer they were somewhat stricter here, and feel it would cut down on problems like threads being locked when they were still useful, but if they preferred me to be less then I would be. There house, there rules - that goes for mods too.
Alas, working for Paizo in any form is but a pipe dream.
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Alas, working for Paizo in any form is but a pipe dream.
Hey, at least you are (probably) an American. Us foreigners pipes are much longer.
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Wait, that didn't come our right.
Alas, working for Paizo in any form is but a pipe dream.Hey, at least you are (probably) an American.
Jon's profile says England...
Jon's profile says England...Alas, working for Paizo in any form is but a pipe dream.Hey, at least you are (probably) an American.
And so it goes. Do you check everybodys profile before you talk to them?
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And so it goes. Do you check everybodys profile before you talk to them?Jon's profile says England...Alas, working for Paizo in any form is but a pipe dream.Hey, at least you are (probably) an American.
Nope. Only afterwards. Sometimes. As long as I feel nosy. Or when fancy strikes me. Or when I suspect that I am missing something. Or when somethings hints there is more about poster (like you stating to be foreigner from the point of view of Americans). Or when I am going to make assumption about the poster (like when I am just about to refer to poster as "he" - I usually check their profile if "he" does not happen to be explicitly "she").
Nope. Only afterwards. Sometimes. As long as I feel nosy. Or when fancy strikes me. Or when I suspect that I am missing something. Or when somethings hints there is more about poster (like you stating to be foreigner from the point of view of Americans). Or when I am going to make assumption about the poster (like when I am just about to refer to poster as "he" - I usually check their profile if "he" does not happen to be explicitly "she").And so it goes. Do you check everybodys profile before you talk to them?Jon's profile says England...Alas, working for Paizo in any form is but a pipe dream.Hey, at least you are (probably) an American.
Well, then, if it makes you happy.
Drejk, behave or Magnuskn will put you on ignore!
Hey! Who said that?
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WHAT ARE THOSE NOISES?
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I've actually been pondering a far more strict moderation policy for threads in the advice forum. The idea would be "only post if you are actually answering the original question—off-topic responses will be removed."
It would require far more moderation for that forum than we've been doing so far, but it's basically what I think how that forum should be used. If you want to discuss other random things we have lots of other places here to do that.
I also have an idea for solving thread derail trainwrecks that doesn't involve locking the thread, but I need to refine the concept a bit, and it'll require new code.
That would be amazing. I completely understand that the community likes to chat, and and mess around and even have a good argument, but sometimes it seems like it goes everywhere making it rally hard to use the forums as a resource. IT would be nice to have a place just for people to get answers without having to get involved in the back and forths that go on at times and still have places where everyone can chat it up anyway they want.
Threadlock Refugees is up and running.
Edit: Sorry to whoever posted as TheHorrer the other day, deleted your post while setting up the board. I encourage those who wish to join to use their most commonly used alias from here, so that we know who you are.
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Aww, how come I never get polite emails from the staff about my shenanigans? I try to cross the line every now and then...
I know, right? I feel left out!
Seriously though, I always get paranoid when there's a 'removed some posts' message from a mod, since I wonder if I crossed some line and got something deleted (and my crappy memory is never adequate to remember if I posted anything recently to that thread, or to remember anything that might have gotten deleted). It's like walking onto a battlefield that's been scrubbed clean and wondering who the good guys and bad guys were, and what went on that warranted folk getting shot...
Not that, I suppose, it's any of my business, and would just lead to second-guessing, but I'm still curious, yanno? :)
And so it goes. Do you check everybodys profile before you talk to them?Nope. Only afterwards. Sometimes. As long as I feel nosy. Or when fancy strikes me. Or when I suspect that I am missing something.
Sometimes it's useful to me to check a posters Favorited Posts and Posts of theirs that others have Favorited, just to get a better feel for them and not risk jumping to a conclusion over what may have been a strange outlier post.
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If there's a poster you often agree with (or who seems to share your interests), randomly browsing their favorites is a good way to catch some interesting conversations you may have missed.
(I mean that in a non-stalky way. Obviously).
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If there's a poster you often agree with (or who seems to share your interests), randomly browsing their favorites is a good way to catch some interesting conversations you may have missed.
(I mean that in a non-stalky way. Obviously).
No problem, Steve, I've known about you're stalking for a while now and I'm cool with it.
-Skeld
Sometimes it's useful to me to check a posters Favorited Posts and Posts of theirs that others have Favorited, just to get a better feel for them and not risk jumping to a conclusion over what may have been a strange outlier post.
While I rarely check others favorite posts, I sometimes check their posts - usually when I feel I should remember the poster from another thread but can't pinpoint exactly which or where... Often it is caused just by avatar image shared with the person I had in mind.
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If there's a poster you often agree with (or who seems to share your interests), randomly browsing their favorites is a good way to catch some interesting conversations you may have missed.
(I mean that in a non-stalky way. Obviously).
Well, grantedly, I often check Mikaze's latest post for the awesome.
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I've actually been pondering a far more strict moderation policy for threads in the advice forum. The idea would be "only post if you are actually answering the original question—off-topic responses will be removed."
It would require far more moderation for that forum than we've been doing so far, but it's basically what I think how that forum should be used. If you want to discuss other random things we have lots of other places here to do that.
I also have an idea for solving thread derail trainwrecks that doesn't involve locking the thread, but I need to refine the concept a bit, and it'll require new code.
I really don't want Gary to write that code—or, more accurately, I don't want him to have to feel that he *needs* to. I want him to spend that time making GameSpace better, or making it easier to report Pathfinder Society play, or adding some other useful feature to paizo.com. The minutes he spends on moderation, and on code for "solving thread derail trainwrecks", cost a lot—and I'm talking about opportunity, not money (though they do that as well).
If we could all just not be jerks, paizo.com would be a better place, and for more than the obvious reasons.
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Actually, I would agree on some kind of indicator to let readers know a thread has been locked would be appreciated. Of course, not having much knowledge in creating forums, I don't know how much effort implementing something like that would take.
It's quite easy, actually. If you click on a thread and the "REPLY" option above the posts is missing, the thread is locked.
Easy as pie.
If there's a poster you often agree with (or who seems to share your interests), randomly browsing their favorites is a good way to catch some interesting conversations you may have missed.
(I mean that in a non-stalky way. Obviously).
No problem, Steve, I've known about you're stalking for a while now and I'm cool with it.
-Skeld
Definition of Stalking: When 2 people go out for a nice romantic walk together, but only 1 of them knows about it...
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If we could all just not be jerks, paizo.com would be a better place, and for more than the obvious reasons.
If you want me to pretend magic, magic users, monsters, assorted gods you guys made up, psionics, and regularly falling head first from 200 feet without dying or using magic are all possible I can do that. But the above request just breaks my disbelief.
Methinks you are spending too much time in the wrong subforums.I see creative contributions that astonish me more often than not. But I tend to stick to the houserules forum and the forums of APs that I know.
I respond to a lot of threads that solicit GM advice, or players who solicit group dynamic advice. Although I post basically the same thing every time in those threads, I think most people who answer are very constructive.
When someone asks a basic reference rule as you've alluded to, well... they should be able to look that stuff up. So most of the time the second or third poster does put a link in. But let's be honest, it's rare that a thread's premise is so clear cut.
But it definitely isn't as bad as you are making it out to be. Especially not if you steer clear of threads that start with rants, or threads that...
In general, you are right. But I admit that if the work "M-nk" gets even whispered, the thread usually goes off the rails in no more than a page. ;-)
They actually do post that they're locking the thread, though, in every instance I've seen. They always announce the thread is being locked and give a reason why.
Just a Paizo staff member being the latest post in a thread isn't a reliable method of telling it it's locked or not; you have to actually read the last post. Paizo staff post in the forums all the time. Liz and SKR are the latest posts in two threads in the sidebar as I'm typing, and neither one is locked.
Actually, I would agree on some kind of indicator to let readers know a thread has been locked would be appreciated. Of course, not having much knowledge in creating forums, I don't know how much effort implementing something like that would take.It's quite easy, actually. If you click on a thread and the "REPLY" option above the posts is missing, the thread is locked.
Easy as pie.
That's the first thing I check when I start reading a thread.
Also, for threads I have been following, if the "x new" indicator goes away, and other threads still have their "x new" indicators, I'll check the most recent post to see if the thread has been locked.
It should be noted that they actually lock some threads that haven't been "derailed to the point of no return," but have just ended its use, so putting locked threads in a sub-forum or something like that (e.g. deleting them) isn't always a good thing. There might still be lots of useful information in a thread, even though it's been locked.
Just a Paizo staff member being the latest post in a thread isn't a reliable method of telling it it's locked or not; you have to actually read the last post. Paizo staff post in the forums all the time. Liz and SKR are the latest posts in two threads in the sidebar as I'm typing, and neither one is locked.
If the post is a few days old its a pretty good bet. (Staff members tend to garner responses).
Not a universal rule, of course, but if its right at the bottom of the forum, it's a decent hypothesis that its a locked thread.
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Unfortunately as much as I like the company and the people that work here, I also find the board to be of little value. They are fun to come check out for a bit, but in my experience anyone looking for real information has to go elsewhere. From experience, it seems most post go like this...
I'm amused that I was the only named individual.