Beast Rider Cavalier Archetype contradicts itself


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Yar!

The Beast Rider Archetype has a list of mounts to chose from, then goes on to invalidate a number of those mounts. Can they or can they not choose from the entire list given?

Beast Rider (small) wrote:
At 7th level, he can also choose a dinosaur (deinonychus or velociraptor)
Beast Rider (medium) wrote:
Medium beast rider can also choose an allosaurus, ankylosaurus, arsinoitherium, aurochs, bison, brachiosaurus, elephant, glyptodon, hippopotamus, lion, mastodon, megaloceros, snapping turtle (giant), tiger, triceratops, or tyrannosaurus as his mount.
Beast Rider wrote:
A beast rider cannot choose a mount that is not capable of bearing his weight, that has fewer than four legs, or that has a fly speed
Allosaurus wrote:
This bipedal dinosaur...
Tyrannosaurus wrote:
This bipedal dinosaur's...

Velociraptor (obviously bipedal)

Deinonychus (obviously bipedal)

While I am sad about the clause about no mounts with the ability to fly, the contradiction of "cannot choose a mount ... that has fewer than four legs" following a list that HAS mounts with fewer than four legs is... truly painful.

~P


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That's because the '4 legs thing' is specific to the 'choose your own mount' thing, and doesn't really bear weight against the specific allowed creatures above.


So there is a specific list of creatures, some of which seem to have only two legs. Later, there is an option to choose literally anything in any bestiary that can serve as an animal companion. That later part had some extra restrictions applied that those specific creatures must have 4 or more legs, a restriction not applied to the listed creatures.

As for me, I might also interpret this to mean that the bipedal dinosaurs listed are considered to have 4 legs, it's just that two are quite big and strong and two are shorter and weaker - but those two shorter weaker (front) legs are still legs that end in foot-like claws, not really arms with hands.

The bit about not having fewer than 4 legs restricts choosing things like large snakes or apes.


I wish that there was a way for a female elven cavalier to get a unicorn mount.

Scarab Sages

Are the "can serve as an animal companion" rules in the Druid section then?


The animal companion section has an extensive list of possible choices for animal companions. It should be under druid, since most of the options are things only they can pick(excluding a few vague things like the animal domain)

Might have been expanded by the Animal Archive recently though.


I know this post was made last year but what is the general consensus of an Axe Beak Mount? It is a bipedal creature but it can be bought as a normal mount, I see no reason why it shouldn't be on the list.


I choose to believe "A beast rider cannot choose a mount that is not capable of bearing his weight, that has fewer than four legs, or that has a fly speed" means you only have to abide by one of those 3 restrictions.

Because I want my hippogriff-rider and think the rule is stupid.


boring7 wrote:

I choose to believe "A beast rider cannot choose a mount that is not capable of bearing his weight, that has fewer than four legs, or that has a fly speed" means you only have to abide by one of those 3 restrictions.

Because I want my hippogriff-rider and think the rule is stupid.

It is not just that rule that stops the hippogriff-rider. There is also the part where it has to be available as an animal companion, which hippogriff isn't.

Exotic Mount wrote:
... In addition, a 7th-level or higher Medium beast rider can select any creature whose natural size is Large or Huge, provided that creature is normally available as a Medium-sized animal companion at 7th level (like a bear). To generate statistics for such a mount, apply the following modifications: Size Large; Ability Scores Str +2, Dex –2, Con +2. Increase the damage of each of the mount's natural attacks by one die size. A beast rider cannot choose a mount that is not capable of bearing his weight, that has fewer than four legs, or that has a fly speed (although the GM may allow mounts with a swim speed in certain environments).
Bestiary 2 Animal Companions wrote:


Dinosaur, Allosaurus
Dinosaur, Parasaurolophus
Gar
Hippopotamus
Megafauna, Arsinotherium
Megafauna, Megaloceros
Megafauna, Megatherium
Megafauna, Glyptodon
Primate, Baboon
Ram
Ray, Manta Ray
Ray, Stingray
Snapping Turtle
Tylosaurus


There is a feat to get a hippogriff as your mount (though requires a second feat for it to be able to fly while you are riding it - which is irksome/stupid) in Inner Sea Combat.

It still mostly seems better than taking the beast rider archetype.

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