paizo.com Recent Posts in Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?paizo.com Recent Posts in Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?2013-06-20T15:30:40Z2013-06-20T15:30:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?XMorsXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#292014-02-23T23:25:56Z2014-02-23T23:25:56Z<p>I see no Two-Weapon Rend. Why?</p>I see no Two-Weapon Rend. Why?XMorsX2014-02-23T23:25:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Major_Blackharthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#282014-02-21T16:45:41Z2014-02-21T16:45:41Z<p>I was always disappointed that thunder and fang only worked for Earthbreakers. I would have loved for it to work with greataxes and other hafted 2-handed weapons.</p>I was always disappointed that thunder and fang only worked for Earthbreakers. I would have loved for it to work with greataxes and other hafted 2-handed weapons.Major_Blackhart2014-02-21T16:45:41ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?EsperMagichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#272014-02-20T22:18:53Z2014-02-20T22:18:53Z<p>you know thunder and fang kinda leaves itself open to the interpretation of dual wileding earth-breakers...which sounds fairly badass...</p>you know thunder and fang kinda leaves itself open to the interpretation of dual wileding earth-breakers...which sounds fairly badass...EsperMagic2014-02-20T22:18:53ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?ohakohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#262014-02-20T21:28:01Z2014-02-20T21:28:01Z<p>Hi Argus, I apologize for the thread necro.</p>
<p>Here's some crappy logic: Thunder and Fang is a TWF feat. It lets you keep your shield bonus, and it lets you use some nastier weapons (and a neat mini) when using TWF.</p>
<p>The goal of a Thunder and Fang build is to maximize TWF, right? So, we're looking at a mid-Strength, high-Dex build, yeah?</p>
<p>Here's a tree using a human barbarian, 20 point buy</p>
<p>Str 16, Dex 17, Con 15, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 8
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1st: Two-Weapon Fighting
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H: Weapon Focus: klar (fight with a klar main hand and a light mace in the off-hand)
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2nd: lesser beast totem (nearly a waste)
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3rd: Weapon Focus: earthbreaker
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4th: lesser hurling (also a waste)
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5th: Thunder and Fang
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6th: beast totem (good AC bump, that plus a shield and high Dex makes for a relatively high AC barbarian, no?)
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7th: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
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8th: hurling charge (I'll explain this in a minute)
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9th: ??? (could be Power Attack, could be Double Slice, could be Iron Will)
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10th: greater beast totem
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11th: Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
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12th: mighty swing</p>
<p>Here's a setup for using hurling charge, gets good with pounce, clearly</p>
<p>1. Take the trait Shoanti Tattoo (which gives you proficiency in Shoanti bolas)
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2. See a bad guy, 20 feet away
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3. Drop your earthbreaker
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4. Charge the bad guy, and try to trip him with the bolas when you're only 10 feet away. Use a pair of <i>gauntlets of the skilled manuever</i> (trip) while you're at it
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5. Use your swift action to use your <i>called earthbreaker</i> back to your hand. If you don't have one of those, you still have a free claw.
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6. Pounce (or just mash) the hopefully prone bad guy.</p>
<p>Crazy secret awesome sauce: mighty swing. A TWF-er is going to be making lots of attacks with low attack bonuses. You're going to start rolling 20s on those hard-to-confirm threats. A mighty swing at the right time is golden.</p>
<p>9th level feat: it's open, but what to put there? I think Double Slice is better than Power Attack for a high Str TWF build, right? However, a 10 Wis with a bad Will save is not so great, so Iron Will might be better, if you can't get ahold of a <i>clear spindle ioun stone</i> and a <i>wayfinder</i>. What do you think? Hmm, maybe Extra Rage Power: superstition.</p>Hi Argus, I apologize for the thread necro.
Here's some crappy logic: Thunder and Fang is a TWF feat. It lets you keep your shield bonus, and it lets you use some nastier weapons (and a neat mini) when using TWF.
The goal of a Thunder and Fang build is to maximize TWF, right? So, we're looking at a mid-Strength, high-Dex build, yeah?
Here's a tree using a human barbarian, 20 point buy
Str 16, Dex 17, Con 15, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 8
1st: Two-Weapon Fighting
H: Weapon Focus: klar (fight with a...ohako2014-02-20T21:28:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#252013-06-21T17:46:32Z2013-06-21T17:46:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark_Twain007 wrote:</div><blockquote>I think heart of the fields is better for the barbarian</blockquote><p>It is, but it is not legal for PFS.Mark_Twain007 wrote:I think heart of the fields is better for the barbarian
It is, but it is not legal for PFS.Nefreet2013-06-21T17:46:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Mark_Twain007https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#242013-06-21T17:24:22Z2013-06-21T17:24:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nefreet wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Although I think we have different concepts in mind, here's my feat tree. My favored enemy is going to be Outsider(Evil), which fits nicely with the World Serpent Totem. Barbarian archetype is Invulnerable Rager, haven't decided if I want a Ranger archetype or not.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Guide architype might help you kill things that aren't evil outsides, but it looks like you are built to specifically kill them, so probably not.Nefreet wrote:Although I think we have different concepts in mind, here's my feat tree. My favored enemy is going to be Outsider(Evil), which fits nicely with the World Serpent Totem. Barbarian archetype is Invulnerable Rager, haven't decided if I want a Ranger archetype or not.
Guide architype might help you kill things that aren't evil outsides, but it looks like you are built to specifically kill them, so probably not.Mark_Twain0072013-06-21T17:24:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Mark_Twain007https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#232013-06-21T17:16:52Z2013-06-21T17:16:52Z<p>Don't downplay power attack even though you are TWF, as a barabarian you will have a high to hit anyway, but Thunder and fang also uses a lot of feats, so I would leave it up to you. </p>
<p>Also sorry to disagree with you Nefreet, but I think heart of the fields is better for the barbarian, bonus to craft yea whatever, but ignore any affect that would make you fatigued or exhausted once per day is a great way to not get screwed by ray of fatigue, or not getting a nights rest, or to do some early rage cycling.</p>Don't downplay power attack even though you are TWF, as a barabarian you will have a high to hit anyway, but Thunder and fang also uses a lot of feats, so I would leave it up to you.
Also sorry to disagree with you Nefreet, but I think heart of the fields is better for the barbarian, bonus to craft yea whatever, but ignore any affect that would make you fatigued or exhausted once per day is a great way to not get screwed by ray of fatigue, or not getting a nights rest, or to do some early...Mark_Twain0072013-06-21T17:16:52ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#222013-06-21T17:08:04Z2013-06-21T17:08:04Z<p>Although I think we have different concepts in mind, here's my feat tree. My favored enemy is going to be Outsider(Evil), which fits nicely with the World Serpent Totem. Barbarian archetype is Invulnerable Rager, haven't decided if I want a Ranger archetype or not.</p>
<p>1st (RNG-1): Weapon Focus – Klar
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Weapon Focus – Earth Breaker
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2nd (RNG-2): (Free) Two-Weapon Fighting
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3rd (BRB-1): Thunder and Fang
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4th (BRB-2): (Rage) Reckless Abandon
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5th (BRB-3): Power Attack
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6th (BRB-4): (Rage) World Serpent Totem
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7th (BRB-5): Furious Focus
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8th (BRB-6): (Rage) World Serpent Spirit
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9th (BRB-7): Extra Rage Power – World Serpent Totem Unity
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10th (BRB-8): (Rage) Increased Damage Reduction
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11th (BRB-9): Extra Rage Power – Increased Damage Reduction
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12th (BRB10): (Rage) Increased Damage Reduction</p>Although I think we have different concepts in mind, here's my feat tree. My favored enemy is going to be Outsider(Evil), which fits nicely with the World Serpent Totem. Barbarian archetype is Invulnerable Rager, haven't decided if I want a Ranger archetype or not.
1st (RNG-1): Weapon Focus – Klar
Weapon Focus – Earth Breaker
2nd (RNG-2): (Free) Two-Weapon Fighting
3rd (BRB-1): Thunder and Fang
4th (BRB-2): (Rage) Reckless Abandon
5th (BRB-3): Power Attack
6th (BRB-4): (Rage) World Serpent...Nefreet2013-06-21T17:08:04ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#212013-06-21T16:52:37Z2013-06-21T16:52:37Z<p>Hrmmm....I don't think the Viking build works, as posted: a viking never actually gains the "rage Power" class feature, so they can't ever take the Extra Rage Power feat. I will have to rethink that.</p>Hrmmm....I don't think the Viking build works, as posted: a viking never actually gains the "rage Power" class feature, so they can't ever take the Extra Rage Power feat. I will have to rethink that.Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)2013-06-21T16:52:37ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#202013-06-21T16:45:57Z2013-06-21T16:45:57Z<p>Here's my first take on a Viking Archetype build for Thunder and Fang.</p>
<p>It brings the Thunder and Fang as early as you can get it, at level 2. I dropped the Beast Totem path for for damage and versatility. Spell Sunder comes pretty late in the build (level 8).</p>
<p>Let me know what you think.</p>
<p>Viking Build:</p>
<p>1) Weapon Focus: Klar; Weapon Focus: Earth Breaker (H); TWF (F)
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2) Thunder and Fang
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3) Power Attack
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4) Improved Sunder
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5) Extra Rage Power: Reckless Abandon
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6) Superstition
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7) Extra Rage Power: Witch Hunter
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8) Spell Sunder
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9) Improved TWF
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10) Greater Sunder
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11) FEAT (?)</p>Here's my first take on a Viking Archetype build for Thunder and Fang.
It brings the Thunder and Fang as early as you can get it, at level 2. I dropped the Beast Totem path for for damage and versatility. Spell Sunder comes pretty late in the build (level 8).
Let me know what you think.
Viking Build:
1) Weapon Focus: Klar; Weapon Focus: Earth Breaker (H); TWF (F)
2) Thunder and Fang
3) Power Attack
4) Improved Sunder
5) Extra Rage Power: Reckless Abandon
6) Superstition
7) Extra Rage...Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)2013-06-21T16:45:57ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#192013-06-21T16:22:30Z2013-06-21T16:22:30Z<p>Oh! And Heart of the Wilderness alternate racial trait.</p>Oh! And Heart of the Wilderness alternate racial trait.Nefreet2013-06-21T16:22:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#182013-06-21T16:19:58Z2013-06-21T16:19:58Z<p>I've been struggling to come up with a T&F build I like enough to put on paper.</p>
<p>The version I'm thinking of going with is Ranger-2/Invulnerable Rager</p>
<p>Dump Dex and put it into Con. Get both Weapon Focus feats at 1st level being Human, get 2WF at level 2 for free, and T&F at level 3. That helps with the feat starvation, essentially subbing a rage power at level 2 for a feat. You'd never get ITWF, but I'd be happy with just the one extra Klar attack anyways.</p>
<p>Then you can be DPS and tank with your HP/DR.</p>I've been struggling to come up with a T&F build I like enough to put on paper.
The version I'm thinking of going with is Ranger-2/Invulnerable Rager
Dump Dex and put it into Con. Get both Weapon Focus feats at 1st level being Human, get 2WF at level 2 for free, and T&F at level 3. That helps with the feat starvation, essentially subbing a rage power at level 2 for a feat. You'd never get ITWF, but I'd be happy with just the one extra Klar attack anyways.
Then you can be DPS and tank with...Nefreet2013-06-21T16:19:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Deadmanwalkinghttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#172013-06-21T16:12:36Z2013-06-21T16:12:36Z<p>Taken a little earlier, Beast Totem's a lovely AC buff over time. +2-3 AC is a damn good Rage Power in it's own right.</p>Taken a little earlier, Beast Totem's a lovely AC buff over time. +2-3 AC is a damn good Rage Power in it's own right.Deadmanwalking2013-06-21T16:12:36ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#162013-06-21T16:08:13Z2013-06-21T16:08:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Blueluck wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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<li>I would consider dropping Beast Totem. Unless you have a fair amount of PFS experience and are certain you'll be playing the character to at least level 11, you'll get very little out of Beast Totem. Yes, Pounce is an amazing ability for a TWF build. But until level 10, it gives you very little.[/list] </blockquote><p>I was thinking about this, too. Cutting out beast totem would allow me to take Power Attack and Reckless Abandon (for more damage), or Improved Sunder and Greater Sunder (for better Spell Sundering, mostly).Blueluck wrote:I would consider dropping Beast Totem. Unless you have a fair amount of PFS experience and are certain you'll be playing the character to at least level 11, you'll get very little out of Beast Totem. Yes, Pounce is an amazing ability for a TWF build. But until level 10, it gives you very little.[/list]
I was thinking about this, too. Cutting out beast totem would allow me to take Power Attack and Reckless Abandon (for more damage), or Improved Sunder and Greater Sunder (for...Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)2013-06-21T16:08:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Blueluck (alias of S)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#152013-06-21T13:58:56Z2013-06-21T13:58:56Z<p>I like it!</p>
<p>I have two suggestions based on the fact that this is a PFS character.<ul><li>I would lower CHA to 7, raise INT or WIS to 12. I might not do that in a home game, depending on my roleplaying goals. In PFS, however, I would gladly take +1 skill point per level (INT) or +1 Perception & Will Save (WIS).</p>
<p><li>I would consider dropping Beast Totem. Unless you have a fair amount of PFS experience and are certain you'll be playing the character to at least level 11, you'll get very little out of Beast Totem. Yes, Pounce is an amazing ability for a TWF build. But until level 10, it gives you very little.</ul></p>I like it!
I have two suggestions based on the fact that this is a PFS character.I would lower CHA to 7, raise INT or WIS to 12. I might not do that in a home game, depending on my roleplaying goals. In PFS, however, I would gladly take +1 skill point per level (INT) or +1 Perception & Will Save (WIS).
I would consider dropping Beast Totem. Unless you have a fair amount of PFS experience and are certain you'll be playing the character to at least level 11, you'll get very little out of...Blueluck (alias of S)2013-06-21T13:58:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Malag (alias of Adam Mataja)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#142013-06-21T12:26:45Z2013-06-21T12:26:45Z<p>My recommendation is to take TWF only, not Improved. Suddenly you have more options.</p>My recommendation is to take TWF only, not Improved. Suddenly you have more options.Malag (alias of Adam Mataja)2013-06-21T12:26:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#132013-06-21T12:18:57Z2013-06-21T12:18:57Z<p>The only advantage I see for Ranger is for the Shield Master feat at level 6. That helps a bit, but he is still way behind the curve on damage compared to a Fighter or Barbarian, except where he can get his FE. Instant Enemy doesn't help very much for PFS, since it doesn't come into play until level 10.</p>The only advantage I see for Ranger is for the Shield Master feat at level 6. That helps a bit, but he is still way behind the curve on damage compared to a Fighter or Barbarian, except where he can get his FE. Instant Enemy doesn't help very much for PFS, since it doesn't come into play until level 10.Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)2013-06-21T12:18:57ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#122013-06-21T04:28:40Z2013-06-21T04:28:40Z<p>Ranger really does this better.</p>
<p>Also, it retains the mild nature theme associated with the Shaonti.</p>Ranger really does this better.
Also, it retains the mild nature theme associated with the Shaonti.blackbloodtroll2013-06-21T04:28:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#112013-06-21T03:13:45Z2013-06-21T03:13:45Z<p>I appreciate the comments and suggestions. The whole point of the build revolves around Thunder and Fang. Building a powerful, high- DPS barbarian wielding a two handed weapon is easy. But that isn't what I am shooting for here.</p>
<p>I'll play with a Viking archetype build tomorrow and see how that works. I'm guessing it would be touch to pull off the spell sunder and beast totem combo with Viking, but it might have other advantages.</p>
<p>In all honesty, I think the character would be pretty viable for PFS as is. The DPS at level 8 looks comparable to a hard-hitting two handed fighter that I played to retirement in PFS, but with a little more versatility.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback!</p>I appreciate the comments and suggestions. The whole point of the build revolves around Thunder and Fang. Building a powerful, high- DPS barbarian wielding a two handed weapon is easy. But that isn't what I am shooting for here.
I'll play with a Viking archetype build tomorrow and see how that works. I'm guessing it would be touch to pull off the spell sunder and beast totem combo with Viking, but it might have other advantages.
In all honesty, I think the character would be pretty viable...Argus The Slayer (alias of Sean Clark 391)2013-06-21T03:13:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Mathwei ap Niallhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#102013-06-20T21:27:50Z2013-06-20T21:27:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Damocles Guile wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Kudos to you for not cheesing this build up by going 'Thunder and Thunder' and designing a character who takes Weapon Focus: Klar specifically so that they will never in their lives have to actually use a Klar.</p>
<p>I personally don't think chasing the Witch Hunter/Spell Sunder/Eater of Magic line in this feat-starved build is the optimal way to go, but optimization isn't everything... better by far to have a niche, to have things you're good at and things you aren't and to have fun playing your concept rather than chasing the ever-elusive perfection of a highly optimized build. </blockquote><p>Especially since the Klar is the better weapon.
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It's cheaper, easier and faster to enchant, does double duty increasing your AC AND your attack AND it can't be disarmed.</p>
<p>Honestly however for a PFS character you should definitely go Fighter 1/Ranger 11. This way you can be using your T&F feat by 3rd level, get <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/double-slice-combat—-final" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Double Slice at 3rd as well and gain access to [url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shield-master-combat—-final]Shield Master</a> at 7th instead of 11th. You can then just ignore Dex from that point on. (If you skip the fighter level then you can just dump your Dex completely).</p>Damocles Guile wrote:Kudos to you for not cheesing this build up by going 'Thunder and Thunder' and designing a character who takes Weapon Focus: Klar specifically so that they will never in their lives have to actually use a Klar.
I personally don't think chasing the Witch Hunter/Spell Sunder/Eater of Magic line in this feat-starved build is the optimal way to go, but optimization isn't everything... better by far to have a niche, to have things you're good at and things you aren't and to...Mathwei ap Niall2013-06-20T21:27:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Damocles Guilehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#92013-06-20T21:13:01Z2013-06-20T21:13:01Z<p>Kudos to you for not cheesing this build up by going 'Thunder and Thunder' and designing a character who takes Weapon Focus: Klar specifically so that they will never in their lives have to actually use a Klar.</p>
<p>I personally don't think chasing the Witch Hunter/Spell Sunder/Eater of Magic line in this feat-starved build is the optimal way to go, but optimization isn't everything... better by far to have a niche, to have things you're good at and things you aren't and to have fun playing your concept rather than chasing the ever-elusive perfection of a highly optimized build.</p>Kudos to you for not cheesing this build up by going 'Thunder and Thunder' and designing a character who takes Weapon Focus: Klar specifically so that they will never in their lives have to actually use a Klar.
I personally don't think chasing the Witch Hunter/Spell Sunder/Eater of Magic line in this feat-starved build is the optimal way to go, but optimization isn't everything... better by far to have a niche, to have things you're good at and things you aren't and to have fun playing your...Damocles Guile2013-06-20T21:13:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#82013-06-20T21:12:22Z2013-06-20T21:12:22Z<p>Yes, but that sort of defeats the purpose of a Thunder and Fang build.</p>
<p>Wielding a Klar and Earthbreaker is, well, the entirety of it.</p>Yes, but that sort of defeats the purpose of a Thunder and Fang build.
Wielding a Klar and Earthbreaker is, well, the entirety of it.blackbloodtroll2013-06-20T21:12:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Grizzly the Archerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#72013-06-20T21:07:11Z2013-06-20T21:07:11Z<p>I know it is, but I mean as his main fighting style, not the twf tree.</p>I know it is, but I mean as his main fighting style, not the twf tree.Grizzly the Archer2013-06-20T21:07:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?blackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#62013-06-20T20:33:38Z2013-06-20T20:33:38Z<p>Earthbreaker is a two handed weapon.</p>Earthbreaker is a two handed weapon.blackbloodtroll2013-06-20T20:33:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Critique My Thunder and Fang Barbarian Build?Grizzly the Archerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvm4?Critique-My-Thunder-and-Fang-Barbarian-Build#52013-06-20T17:37:21Z2013-06-20T17:37:21Z<p>I also suggest a 2 handed weapon, but I suggest keeping spell sunder. If you remove the twf chain, you can get spell sunder, power attack, and strength surge. Also, there are many items or abilities, like reckless abandon, they well increase your cmb for spell sunder.</p>
<p>bracers of skilled maneuver, dusty rose ioun stone in wayfinder for +2cmb/cmd, during-fg weapon.</p>
<p>spell sunder us too good, powerful, and useful to push to the side.</p>I also suggest a 2 handed weapon, but I suggest keeping spell sunder. If you remove the twf chain, you can get spell sunder, power attack, and strength surge. Also, there are many items or abilities, like reckless abandon, they well increase your cmb for spell sunder.
bracers of skilled maneuver, dusty rose ioun stone in wayfinder for +2cmb/cmd, during-fg weapon.
spell sunder us too good, powerful, and useful to push to the side.Grizzly the Archer2013-06-20T17:37:21Z